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e 9 t eo t WE 7 02 Aba mf:;,, e 'u"..-\,_v['!{ 5 o snIr" . a * "T% * ,w 'A-' \ ,' ' s yA \l" ho )_;,. us ho l f 4# 4 * 9 f '~ 1 .'; Wez .' f 3; 8 i F MR '* "?' F South Simcoe in connection with the Sand-- i peal ¥ ng, startling, and astounding example of a field (Macdonald Government upon the +A placeman sitting in Parliameut through Public Accounts for services rendcrcd. in the . 2 'tlll'l'('IXI'tL'S)'uf a compassionate majority, rais-- North--west boundary, the same kmd_ of E ing his voice in such a manner. 'The House services as were performed by Mr. Mills. § at Ottawa was perfectly able to look after its He concluded by reading a list of appoint-- & l own _ indeperdence, and a _ placeman I ments of the same nature. I . in cither did not affect the other. It was Mr. CAMERON said that up to March, P | 4 l only on the ground as it affects the effi-- 1872, a member of the Commons could sit in f ; clency of our own service that the hon. this House and was eligible for employment. the Attorney--General hbad drafted his The action of the hon. gentlemen opposite ;'m;'ndn;\cnt.l 'll'hv other hon. momberlwho had rendered such a course now improper. F lad spoken had also experienced a kindness s s ; ' p from the House. He cfn:tillllcd by twitting Mr. SCOTT said he could not see wl'{!: ' the hon. member fo» London on his motives reason there could be for such a nl(l:e (,]Alt- 4 ; for bringing up his motion. He asked if tinction as that drawn by the hon. the ts ' < the public interests wore prejudiced -- or torney--General. He reminded hon.htzeuim;i- + sacriticed by the appointments of Messtrs. men that in the case of Col. Gray they ho t > Mills or Irving. 1t was worse than im-- condemned the I'_"DC'P]'e which they n T f pertinence for them to legislate for the * "'""'hcf, to recognize, The hon. gen_tlcmeg a is . independence of the Otftawa House : it opposite had talked round the question an: a might be left to look after its owu inde-- indulged in left--handed slaps at merabers pendence. He was not prepared to make opposite, who were then occupying th'i;(; 6: l4 such a sweeping change in the public ser-- seats lawfully, as the Act had been pass j vice" now, for such it amounted to after all, that session and was not applicable to mem-- Y for the giving employment to a member of bers of the them House, He proceeded to the Dominion Government did not make refer to the declaration anent the appear-- S s him forfeit his seat on the floor of that ance of Mr. Sandfield Macdonald and Sir io: House. He therefore couid not vote to John Macdonald on the same pla@forn.x, that t : prohibit bim from having temporary em-- there was to be non--intervention in the g E. ployment. The amendment to the amend-- affairs of the Government,. He went on to F ment was an absurdity, and should be voted say that ofticers of the Government, forest t down, s rangers, had gone round trom week to '}Ic;k aq Mr.CAMERON said that he was one who Canyassing 11 favour of n§embers piths ¥ '?,» thought as few obstacies should be placed Government and giving reccipts for Crown l i * WA&Y as bossible Ceg -- i e dues, not one copper of which had been paid. t . in the way as possible to keep the country o eags {seD i sub. | from securing the services of the most de-- 1 He instanced one case ofseizure and su f sirable men. _ Hon. gentlemen opposite sequent reliect by this process. It was permm--t E bad, however, acted so that now | their | sible now for members of this '(zovemmcn ' f | course must be carried to its legitimate | to sustain their allies m"the Commons by ¢ f | issue, and all cause for these entangling | funds of the Province,. The public service | alliances be done away with. If it was unde-- might suffer trom the possibility of persons ¢ | | sirable to have an annual or permanent ap-- being appointed tyo positions because they f | pointment it was undesirable to have even a were members of Parliament to the exclusion | temporary appointment. 'The moment that of others, He continued by cout,cm'lmg that | the hon. the Attorney--General made his if the members . of the _ Commons < amendment he accepted the propriety of the would not protect their own inde-- | hon. member for London's resolution, but pendence, the Province Ir{cnll)ct:s should, j | declared himself desirous of limiting it. in the interest of the constituencies wh'lch | There was no principle in the amendment they both' represent, protect these constitu-- 4 except that it was not desirable for any encies. l!xen: was no oae so imaginative A member of the Commons to hold an appoint-- as to conceive that Messrs. Mills, Ross, and 8 ment under this House. _ HMe said that hon. Irving would have got their appointments gentlemen opposite had appointed men to had they not been supporters of the Gov-- | positions when there was no necessity for it. ernment. -- He did not by any means assert Hethought that Mr. Irving had ably dis-- that these gentlemen had abused their of-- ¥ charged his duties, but there were others | fice, but the door to such abuse should be 1 who could have been appointed. Mr. Blake | shut. ] once said that men might be trusted with Mr. PARDEE said that so far as he could the reins, but the time might come when find out there was not one word of truth in ' men held the reins in whom the people had the assertion of theabuse in the Land Office. i not confidence. He continued by defend-- A forest ranger, Mr. McWilliams, had been E& | ing the hon. member for East Grey, after belied in this matter ; so far as he (the speak-- ; | which he declared that hon. gentlemen er) knew, be (Mr. McWilliams) was an hou. | were voting for the continued existence of est man, and an eflicient ofticer he knew him ' entangling alliances if they did not support to be, If the hon. member would give him t the amendment to the amendment. full particulars when he brought up his mo-- ' Mr. HARDY said that the hon. member's tion he would do his best to-- satisfy him | speech amounted to this: that he did not and disprove the assertions. lHon. gentle-- | + believe in the doctrines of the members of men were determined to misunderstand the | this side of the House when they were in | hon, the Attorney--General. It was not a ; Opposition, nor did he in those o[f his | fair comparison to say that 11 months | own side* now . _ 'Tl erefore by two negatives and 29 days was temporary, and one year | a f he -- arrived at the _ affirmative _ of | annual employment. 'The action Jf the i ' supporting the amendment to the | Government had been to determine the in-- amendment. _ 'The hon. member had | dependence of their own House. 5uppor}cd entangling alliances when he | _ Mr. WILLS said he believed that the voted for dl}ul representation, :xml'\\';xs there |\ Government should have perfect freedom in any comparison between tl.w. possible harm selecting its officers, He said that in the -- in a person being :lhlc.to sit in boll.n Houses, Old Country no such tule would obtain | and in one of a supcrior house being per-- i nmnem . * 4 mitted to have temporary employment under Mr. MLRL_D,"I H said that our statutes ' . the inferior. le went on to examine the declare that it is dangerous _for any place-- position of the hon. member for East Grey man _ to I'O!d a scat in the House | when he was a fund trustee, contending of Commons, and this was a natural 6 | that he was a placeman then, and then held ; EqCc Oe s He then read from Mr. Macken-- | ' his seat under conditions which he now L108 S}'CSCII in support of a motion of Mr, ' | condemned. -- He went on to quote from the Blake's in the direction of the independence gf P Public Accounts to show that the hon. of Parliament in the matter of members | member for South Simcoe had accepted li')ldmg positions of en}olumcnt under the E' employment under the Government; that Government, and he said that the party was | R [ the hon. member for East Grey had support-- going back on .th°3° Dr}nc'lples. He threw | ed that action in which the hon..member for the responsibility of rejecting the resolution M East Toronto had been the prime mover. and its principle upon hon. gentlemen op-- Mr. Biake's resolution had been to secure | posite. U the independence of his own House, but | _ The amendment was then put to the vote a now the Opposiition ;vcre ltm"blcfdt}i:l t:;eir and lost on the following division:-- | 8 souls about the independence of the other Y®AS.--Messrs. Baker | t House. Me proccedcdl to go into the facts galvin, Cameron, Cn'-ifififfnf'°'b£'éi,'l','"ffi?éfii§: | | concerning the appointment of Mr. Ross, se::)r:ueh"lg?ig:;'allfe?é'i:{:"cgg)er.hl\llxmlocgall (Midqlu.l § which he bhad never heard any educational Mork, Mostyn, Patterson (E:mex)c l':;:tuo'n Ignlgfi;lrc«ll(' ' / suthority say was not a fit .ppointment. He son, Rosevear, Scott, Tooley, Wiglo.--27, _ | f"l found the name of the hon. member for : i | S -- . o s # f f