The Ontario Scrapbook Hansard

Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 13 Jan 1879, p. 3

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fee is =" <py :' & :L 0 o 2e C ' § ' M I\'oudon and one at TUTOMO---tfi}:'éNormal was ready to accept his tull responsibility 3 val School, the Deaf and Dumb Institution, and before the country tor the increaged indem-- A S the lseformatory. In addition to these | nity, (Hear, hnear.) He was willing to say : there were now the asylums at Hamilton, that, so far as this House and its members a j Orillia, and Kingston, the Central Prison, were concerued, the indemnity was not too | the Agriculluml College, the Institute fo;- much, and that if the value of services Was | the Biind, and the School of Practical the consideration they were as well entitied Science,. 'There was something then to to $800 as any metuber of the Dominion I account for the increase in the expenditure Parliament was entitled to $1,000--(cheers) from $120,000 to $420,000 in eight years. --or that they were even as much en« (Mear, hear.) Would any hon. gentleman titled to $1,000 here as the members | opposite say that we could dispense with a at Ottawa were entitled to $1,000 there, single one of these institutions? If they The present was not the time to discuss that could not do that, how did they propose to matter ; but when the time did come to dis-- i reduce the expenditure upon them? 'The cuss it, hon. members of this House should # ofticials of these institutions were not re. stand by one another in a matter for which c ceiving large salaries; they were mostly they were equally responsible (hear, hear, @g f receiving small ones. Me believed that the aud cheers), and the discussion should be | : per capite expenditure was less to.day than conducted in such a way that nceither side | it was in 1871, although the existeuce of of the House would gain any advantage : these institutions involved a great increase from it, (Hear, hear.) Mon,. gentlemen | of-- work in all departments, _ 'There might meet him during the coming recess, | must of necessity be an increase but if they did they should never find him | in the annual expenditure, and the endéavouring to make capital | against | only question was, Was the increase reason-- themselves or any body else on this ground, | \ able? 'The only test he could apply in ' He could not help saying that he was amazed | \ answer to that question was the test sup-- | that his hon. friend, the member for London, i plied by hon. gentlemen opposite, and he could have given in the slightest sense his 3 had shown that the expenditure had not countenance to this motion, (Hear, hear,) I f ' been really attached by them, _ (Hear, He was amazed that that gentleman did | hear,) _ Referring to the motion made not _ rise to _ his . feet . at . once | s [ by the hbhon,. member for South and say, @"No matter how far .1 | a Simcose (Mr. Parkhill), he remarked that it | am in favour of ecouomy, this is not the ; bore on its face that it never came from time to discuss these increases, because we | k | South Simcoo. _ (Hear, hear, and laughter,) all assented to them, and the Government is | 8 | It bad evidentiy been concocted by the | no more to be condemned for them than we, t } beads of the Opposition in their councils on l and if we are to meet the Govrernment in a ¥. Saturday. Were he outside the House he | fair and manly way we must do so at another & would call this proceeding treachery, 'The | tims." He was only doing the hon. gentle. A motion was made in a House which granted man justice in expecting him to take that "1 the increased indemnity without a dissent. ' position, and he would be surprised now if ing vote, and uu\iu[y by the efforts of hon. ' the hon. geutlemau did _ not kee the 4 gentlemen sitting opposite. unfair ai(l\'antage wthich_ he andt::mhfriends S PAXTTIOX ME o TY were endeavouring to gain over the Govern-- oprrost't "_"\ At F.BI'Lile--No, ."M # ment, and recede from the position which he Mr. FRASE said the round--robin could be had taken. The unfairness of that position produced, (Chcers,) And then this honour-- A appeared from the fact that during three long able, this worthy motion was brought for-- _ sessions there was not a voice or a vote ward at a time when, if made at all, it was against the increases, but rather a vote in { improper to make it. (Cheers.) It was a | their tavour, (Hear, hear.) He saw a good piece of the kind of opposition they had ! many imen before him who had been become accustomed to in this House. outspoken in this matter, and who had not (Hear, hear, and cheers.) 'This was simply hesitated to expross their opinion in the an attempt on the part of the originators of lobbies, and could speak out now, Let them this motion to entrap their fellow--members. raise their voices now in the House, when 8 Every man in this House had endorsed the such a motion was being put forward to increase, with the exception of the new throw disrepute, discredit, and dishonour members; and now, after it had existed for upon the House, (Hear, hear.) What party three sessions without one word of com-- would be wortby of the confidence of the ? plaint, Was it taireminded, houo'umblc, or House and the country if they did succeed | -- dealing justly, to ask the Mouse to vote in carrying a resolution in such terms ? This want of confidence in the Governiment on hoisting of the black flag always to his mind | s such a ground? ' indicated treachery, and whatever might be ' Ar. LAUDER rose to a point of order . their feelings in'their political antagonisms, Had the Lbon. member the right to attack there was one thing which in fair manliness | the House in this mannoet 1 (Laughter.) they were bound to do, and that was to /3 l'he member ijor South Simcoe had made stand fairly by each other in any matter to his motion on his own responsibility, which the whole House was committed, U Mr. PARKEILL--I make it to carry out Mr. LAUDER--What about the motighn ie aiteranl a pledge to my constiluency, of your colleague ? | 4 'I\.: FRASEI (cxamining the peper on Mr. FRASER--That was a fair mnti(,\.n,l . s which the moilion was written) 8M 1 ho aud it was made when the Mouse was in 1 nercelysd that it was firgf marked to be \.'on\lfll\t:rc, aud'twheu no votes could ve , : ud Y Lins han mem ber for [";[';('L)Q. { | recorded upon 1t, f I ":»'t"l 'lnt..;d irt rw'n \,-ul»v the hon. member \ Mr. MEREDITH said that one of the hon, l | for --i\';-~c Torouto, but tha names of both of gentleman's colleagues had listened to a | these :~"4|t}'-xxn:-a; bad been marked out, 1 statement made by a gentleman at a meet. ' \| (Uheers 'and langhter . ) ing at Yorkvilie that that motion was voted | | M ".1'.1.l|-»l\|n'\v state for the m:mm"'\ lovguels n M on ieaap e oJ u) the' I f the I wenti¢thian thnat L nevet House . y s | *d j tion of the NOot. §oU "',"'"' T unt woihg | Mr. FRASER said that the gentlemun\ & s¥ the Jj"f'"""mf l 'm(':mi § '1""1 4. l l must have got his authority for the state-- | = | to vote \~'nn the Governmeat ou this qnes-- mentirom the dolimns of the M(",[' for it | € | tion,. (C heeis.) was the only paper that published what pro-- | s Mr. FRLASER was glad to find that his fessed to be an exact record of the vote--a | s hon. friend was manly enough to take that record which must have been furnished to | course, and he trsted there were athors | the paper by one of its friends in the House, | among the Opposition who would do the | for certainly no member of the Government i same. _ (MHear, hear, and cheers.) e | side of the House would have furnished the thought he was not using too strorg 1OMNS \. Mail with such a statoment,. -- (Hear, hear, in condemaning this motion . At the time aud cheers.) _ What he did deciaim against the increase in the indemnity of members was any momber of this House seeking to ' ' and in the salaries of Ministers was 'madg, prejudice any other member before his con-- the leader of the Opposition 10Ose, i" his stituents by a reference to this matter, and 1 } place and said that ho thought the increase t lie did not think his hon, friend the leader was not too much, (Heayv, hear,) Mr. Mac-- | of the QOpposition would be disposed 10 s dougall said the same thing ; and he (Mr, | | sanction such a course. Fraser) did not doubt that he could find | l' 1t being six o'clock, the Speakor leil the among the Opposition a dozen who hudi | chatr. spoken in the same strain,. Aud yet the ; The House adjourued at 7:45. very men who favoured these increases now | After recess, sought a condemuation of what they had Mr. FRASER said that there were some approved, in order to * pntrap their fellow-- other things to which he wished to refet, | members, if possible, into voting for a want j but not feeling well enough to coutinue the of confidence in the Government, who, it it debate, be would move the adjournment of carried, would be compelled to retive from \ | the }{(,'use. their places or appeal to the country. He Mtr. MEREDITH couscuted to an adjourn» l 4 s niingromnnri in anrtrateaatar in it rmmpeant eb * '{fi,wxmi

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