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statec that in 1868 the ordinar x io ture was $1,056,541, and in 1871y$1e17p3. 333 these being the first and last yca.r; ;e.'p,c: tively of the Macdonald Administration What did the speaker mean by " ordmur): expenditure"? If ho meant expenditure payable out of revenue he had not used the correct term, If he had meant expenditure on capital sccount the phrase was wrong. Ordinary expendi-- ture was that for which tho Goverament came year by year betore the poople's repre-- sentatives to ask them to vote tho funds for. He claimea that the ordinary expendi-- ture of 1868 was a hundred tliousand dol-- lars more than represented in this state.. ment, and that 1871 was much higher than 1 given. Ordinary expenciture did not in-- cluds that made on account of surplus dis-- ' tribution, on account of the Railways Aid Fund, or other expenditures of a like na-- ture,provision for which was made by special statutes, and which might all boe spent in . one year or otherwise, as the Government might see fit, The term used hero was liabls to be misconstrued by those in the country who read of it. Any ordinary | reader taking up this resolution would be almost sure to imisunderstand what was meant by ordiuary expenditure. ln that Bense the resolution was manifestly unfair, Incorrect, and calculated to mislead, and he dared venture to say that the concoctors of it--those who had the drawing of it--could not _ help but think _ so _ them. gelves, and knew the term would be -- iisinterpreted in -- the -- country. If these figures had been correctly quoted they would not have been so favourable to hon. gentiemen opposite, and this had been their way of dealing throughout, Wherever a statement could be made to look unfavourable to the Government it was adopted, otherwise it was rejected, This had been done during two Parlia-- meuts, -- 'The Government were used to having special caiculations of various. merits brought in to show that they had exceeded the revenue, and that thero was really no surplus, . 'Fhat it might not be said be was speaking against this simply because it was a motion otf waut of confi-- dence, he would dra attention to its word-- ing. First, the siatement of the relative vxpenditures ; then the regrets of the Htiouse at the present unwise expenditure, and then the words about direct taxation,. 'They bad nere this bugaboo, this phantom, of direct taxation lugged in, just as if gen. tlemen oppousite sought to convince the country that we were on the brink of its coosummation, 'The hon. leader of the Opposition had stated that in 1883 the ex-- penditure would be something like three and a bhalt millions, He would like to know how the kon. gentleman avrived at that conclusion. He would like to have been at his elbow when he made his calcu-- lation,to see if he had calculated that future Parlimernts would go on increasing indem. nities and saluries as well as the increase in other expenses to reach such an en-- enormous expenditure. His hon. friend he saw was laugbing, Ho might well laugh for it was a very funny thing how such a tesult was to be brought about, Did his hon, friend who had moved the resolution really beliove that there was a danger of the ordinary expenditure of the country going up to $3,400,000 in 1883 ? Mr, MEREDIUH was understood to say that he did not, bocause the present Goy-- romeht would not then bo in power, Mr. FRASER said that predictions such as that Lis hon. friend bad just made had often been made in the Honso before, and Lad proved to be unfounded, as the present oue would prove. He noticed that the hon, member for West 'Toronto was on his feet ; perhaps they would not seo him there again, {Cheers.) br. BELL mado some remarks, which, on account of the confusion on the floor ot the House, were inaudible in the gailery, Mr. FRASER said ho understood that the hon, gentieman challenged him to run against bim in West Toronto, ¥Mr. BELL said he challenged the Hon,. Ministor of Education to run against him in West Toronto. -- (Hear, hear,) Mr. FRASHR did not think that the hon. member tor West Toronto ought to chal-- lenge any one to contest the election with him there, because the people of that con-- stituenca bhad given uo sign that they want-- ed him again,. (Cheers and laughter.) But it challenges were to be the order of the ' e challenged the hon. leader of the '(i);y;;ol;ition to cgome down to South Gron-- ville and run against him,. --(Hear, hear.) But he was going on to express his opinion that ~ his bon. frieed the _ member #or London did not _ himself be-- lieve that there was any chance of the cxpenditure of the country increas-- ing in the enormous ratio at which he had put it. Ifhe did so he certainty could not bave studied the Public Accounts. Most of the expenditure was in ono sense controllable, except as to one or two par-- ticular branches, 'Ine expenditure upon public institutions, upon education, upon colonization rouds,' upon public works and -- buildings, and _ upon -- railway aid was controllable in . the sensge that it might have been cut off almost entirely by the Government, and so much money would have been saved if the only object of the Government had been to see how large a suru they could accumulate in the pubiic chest. Bo also they might have euforced the payment by defauiting wmunicipalities of Municipal Loan Fund indebieduess, and treated in like manner almoct every item of ecxpenditure, with ibe sole exception of Civil Government and Lezislation, 'The expenditure upon thess hewms must be made if the pub-- lic aftairg of the Province were to be carried on at fll. Yer the hon. the leader of the Opposition held up the bugaboo of direct laxation as a resuit if the course he had spoken of were not followed, and a policy of reduction, such as he had mentroned, ivaugurated. _ If such a wholesale reduc-- tion of the expenditure were decided upon, cne of the items which would have to be greatly reduced was that for Public Institu-- tion®. Was there one ot those institutions which was useless and could be done with-- Farm . wi44 Mr. FRASER said that last session the t'pporition were diiven to bay and had to admit that the farmers of the country were eatitled to a share of the expenditure of the public money. (Hear, hear.) Mr, BELL--The School ot Technology, Mr. FRASER said that the School of Technology was started by the very wise Qovernment of Saudfield Macdonald, and he did not think the mechanies of the courtry would thank the member for West FToronto for hig opposition to that institution, (Hear, hear.) Nr. BELL asked if the School were zow : conducted on the same principles as those | upon which it had been started, } Mr. FRASEE said that it was, and that g teaides it had boen made much wore usely} | by an increased expenditure unon it A Mr. BELL asked how many machanics woere now attonding that institutiqu, Mr., CRLASER cm{kd nol toll offhard. edly Whfifi the _ Tnmmnbét _ bwas, but if his hon, friend -- would put & motion upon the papor, or rofer to the re-- ports, he would get the information he de. sired. It was somewhat strange that the member for Woest Toronto, in whoso con-- stituency the School of 'Technology was, shou'ld not take interest cnough in that in-- | stitution to induce him to visit it, and ob-- tain the information himsclf. I( the policy of which he had been speaking a moment ago were put into operation --that of shut-- ting off entirely controllable expenditure-- worse results than direct taxation would follow. _ All the public institutions in the Province would have to bo closed, and the inmates now thore would have to be sent back to be a burden and a blight upon the people of the country, 'IThe maintenance of these institutions by the Government prevented such results, and yét hon,geatle-- men opposite refused, as a far and honourable Opposition should, to give them credit for the ° expenditure in that direction, 'The expenditure upon colonization roads was demanded by the people of the back country, and was aun on-- tirely necessary expenditure,. ¥Yet hon. gentlemen opposite refu«cd to give them credit for the increased exponditure under that head, 'The increase undor the head of administration of justice had been mainly caused by the Government relicving the people of charges that would otherwise be borue directly by them, and yet the Oppo-- sition -- refused . to take the circum-- stances connocted with that increase into account, He would institute a comparison An CTPOSITION MEMGCER--Thke Model o t en \.;:'- eA stt NeX uho ie Nogy -- w yoge P