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/ e en i 00 0 o > e o e oo n nage oo n ta o on 2 6 * e tig. Bs 2 _ ~ Pm esntc' ty y e ie i ay hy 8 / ET C BR 4 ~ . .l s e : erily e hoi e n io. * {a i en Pss Ae LoE OE 3y of Smiths and another.of Joneses,to that if the de-- A 3 a : Mr. ROSS suggested that his motion be put, as it tendant's name was cither one or the other he would M ho tovéred the same ground as that of the hor. member r)l'oblbly have friends in the jury--box. (Laughter.) for West Toronto, with the exception that it made f the number juet spoken of as ha been select-- CIf ho mention of Separate Schools. €d in Simcoe only 264 were really :flmd on the x e i his amendment | anel, In York county 6,471 had been returned to Mr. BELL dosired to press his am hag, Te Eho Ciesk of the Peace, S0f Selected, and 800 drafted. j {--' | Mr. DEROCHE said that some members mig I-- | Wut of a total of 44,988 returned in sixteen counties, wish to voto to extend the provisions of the amend- | % ©,373 had boen solected and 5,156 placed on kments to Public and not to Separate Schools, '31 The panels. The _ average for' each _ county they would not have an op_portnnlgy of voting if the ; was:--Roturned, 2,812; selected, 308; drafted, 821. snotion of his hon, friend from West Torouto were l Whe cost to the country had been:--Payments to |. & put now. ns Grand and Petit Jurors, $100,164 21 ; summoning e ; ( Mr. CROOKS said that as it was almost six | Jurors, $13,703 81. paymeounts to County Solicitors, 44 p'clock, be would propose that the Committoo rise, W5,144 69; paid Clerks of the Peace, ;blrty-pevon & report progress, and ask leave to git again to--morrow. wvounties, ab $350 per county, $12,950; paid primary "}{ Larried. ectactorss g;u; Tun:n;fw;:n:os at $10, $6,500, a grand 9A f ; M tal 0 2 71, an avcrage per county o 3 \ xt tfmn{! &l;'h?. ":},oc'k the 'Contmiftee vose, and 'the '3%,742. Theagc.hemo by which he ;aropl:;ed to regm Af Epeaker l6 e chair, inray this oxpenditure was to have the county selectors p RETURN, decide what number of jurors would be necessary, E. After rocess, -- and each n:un'icipatliity wouh{ etlpct & nl[:mbor'ol t:ll?:n ' : showing the according to its voting population,each municipality & -- Mr. HARDYMPNEN,':&,' & {):'13;" ing to thg Pro-- choosing names beginning with a different letter of -- '?luo o:h:ho ";:gabxli ll'l)l" ;:':m 018 ure, the insur-- the aiphabei. _ 'Three times the number of names ' :n%go, skeafi'ly effected, the rate, the differeni pctually required "'1')(;1'%0 be '02': uP, 'l!:d from these .' insurance companies with whom risks have been tho solecttons wou macle, _ The number of SE ¢ifected, and the amount of each risk, names to be dealt with would be very much reduced, P s1 m T A 3 E REFORMATORY and a scrious item of expense much curtailed, He l . FEMAL & * belicved it better to keep up the old machinery to a f i The House went into Committee of the Whole large extent, _ Heo did not advocate the choos-f . ; 2 § pon the Bili respecting the Androw Mcrcer Refor-- ing of the names by the municipal selec-- | -- muto? for Females, which was passed with slight tors, for _ that might po:sibly 'in some . % amendrmaents. cases lead to attempts to inwk the _ juries. r k EXTENDED POWERS TO GAS COMPANIES, He :'hmfi"h't it wwldu be "il:fig"tibtfiem n'fl'{;':m"'f i+ f P j i work the jury system withou secon 0 4 > Upon the consider ?:mn of the) Biil "to extend the geleotors, ud had therefore relained that featuro in f power of gas companits, ... is Bill the Bill. KFrom the experionce ho had had, and & ! Mr. MILLER did not specially object to this Bl' * from the opinion which he believed was gencral / a but ho trasted the Government would vao that in throughout the country, he had come to the conclu-- ( va giving these extended powers to gas companies in wion that the Grand Jury was an important and ne-- | 5BC neral they would provent injustice being done to | o part of the jury system, (Hear, hear.) The '. y rl:o citizens of the various places where these com-- | wo"urk t'hnt it did could not te entrusted to the County t / ies were in operation, He referred to the com-- | d 1 | Ej pani¢e h le of T h Attorncy, or the acting Queen's counsel, because . plaint now boing made by the people of Toronto on | thoir interests were to seud all criminal cases to ~ [ Account of the special legislation a}rplle-.! for by the trial, It wasimportant to separato entirely personal ts Consumers! Gas Company. To belloved in any case | ob'e(;u from the administration of justice. It i that there was too much legislation passing through | Juld be . Hecessar if _ Th G' d '.T J this House, and he trusted the Government would | wo bolished, to'. Anboint °. m""g ury F # see their way to bring such matters at this under one | ::5'0 ': T ould bo",overy L fllicul?m":é genoral Act. & | obtain an officer that would perform the duties EP Mr. MOWAT said that that was the object he | botter than or so well as the Grand Jury. But while PP aimed at in the introduction of this Bill, the Grand Jury was an integral portion of the jury * The Bill was passed with amendmonts. system, he thought the expense connected with it ¥ ;EUGE FOR GUHRLLS migtt be roduced and its cumbrousness lessened, $ RE e He therefore proposed to reduce the number of a Tho Bill for the establishment of an Imlust'ri:\l Grand 'Jury panel from tweny four to thirteen, and s Rofuge for Girls also passed through Commitiee the number required to find a bidl from twelve to without quendment, seeven. This change, he thought, would add much ' THE JURORS' ACT. to the effectiveness of the system, whilo 1t f he , $ R the same time satisfying any popular q. € 'The Bill to amend the Jurors' Act then came up mand _ therse_ might -- be for the abolitiin % for a second reading. of the Grand Jury. He did not believe that tha; $%, * Mr. HARDY in moving the second roading stated / demand was universal, because the question had so e that no radical changes were intended to ba madt_a in . far been discussed from but one side. The question ¢ k this Act, which had been on the statute books since Jad not roached the stage that those who were in | f 3 1859, or in the working of the jury system in trials. favour of the retention of the Grand Jury had felt it , [ ie o. | b0. ¥ir reviewed the history of the Jury Act in Canada, mocessary to speak out. The great question lying | e S whowing that the first important ::meudmf'nty had «t the foot of any changes in the jury system was i . > %Phd | -- TeE ~ been made in 1850, and that it was conloln.latc-d the jurisdiction of the Legislature. Hehad not been (8 § > 4 in 1858, since which time it had retained ablo completely to ascertain the limits of the powers | * +4 in the main its original provisions, He acknowledged | . of the House in the matter, but he belioved that all ; ie r in fitting terms the efforts that had boen made | © nlterations proposed in part 1 of his Bill were with-- | <Saea . . } '__ by the hbon. member for West Huron to, | in the jurisdiction of the House, while those in part i okg [ point out the difficulties and anomalies of the Aot, ; 2, which provided for the lessening of the number " en § 4 and the large and unnocessary expense which it | of Grand Juro1s, both on the panel and to find a bill, | fee c i5 ' caused. The jury system was an invoived one, and were, perhaps, not clearly within the scope of their | h) + it would be impossible to make it absolutely simple. legislative powers, However, he had proposed | ol Y The machinery was of uecessity claborate, and every that part 2 should not come into force until a pro-- | ¢ $4 part had to be very carefully adjusted, or it'would clamation by the Lieutonant Governor to that & spoil the working of the whole. It might fairly be offect. The average yearly saving that would be us & claimed that the {'ury law had worked with reason--« effected by the Bill in amount paid to jurors per p a A} able satisfaction, but the increasing demands of the s .county would be $807, or & total saving to the Pro-- wl o . , country had made it seem somewhat un wieldy and vince of $29,850 ; on the cost of summoning the ave-- | f $ -- ©xpensive. 'The solection of jurors was first rago yearly saving would be $117 per county, or N ----. made in the townships or towus by . a $4,353 for the whole Province ; on ° the seRA x Board composed of the Mayor or Reove, S inount paid to -- selectors the -- aunual _ say-- e the assessor, and }the township or town clerk, ing per county would be $40, or a saving § -- d who met to select the whole body of jurors to be re-- 'to the Province 01 $1,714 a year. -- Under sub--seotions * turned, 'The qualiiications of jurors woere different %, 6, and 7 of section 156 the average yoarly saving y in different places, and there seemed to be no regular would be per county! $133, or & Provincial raving of .i xnethod of arviving at it. io had recsived scturns $4,957 ; under sub--section 2 of section 156 the yearly § from various counties of these qualifications, and savinc. to the countics would be $15, and to 5 fr they varied from $208 in the county of l'routenuc* the Provinoe $555; on sherifi's cervificates of former which had 13 townships, to $1,244 in the county / 0 * services the saving per year to countics would bo t York, which had nine townships--the average of 11 '§40, and to the entire Province, $1,480; the yearly | * countiles being $666 71 in each township. _ In the ..v'ing on jury fees paid in Superior Courts per e > tities the yvariation . was from $400 in London 'sounty would be $20, and to the Proviuce, $1,074 ; ~3ps9 to . $984 in Toronto, or an . average . of and on jury fees paid in County Courts to the coun-- ysY $686 46. The'average in towns was $435, and in tios, $33, and to the Frovince, $1,2086 per anoum. ' s | villages $451 80, Iu makirg a fAxed qualification, 'Whe total yearly saving that would be thus effected if | yf $ lhiro,lo.l";, l;o lu:ld :gycn gmde«: l.argelv)"l:y:'t tll(;os'erfa:fi;l,; ha Gill were carried out as proposed would be to the E y~a f o oo t im im enurace nnoaniing. us tountios $1,220,and to tho. Provi 5,000. (Choers .) 7 T igea io heo Poon gesined man io soats ogethsr, snd Them arBund, hewerst, 46) Aetwoiey. feom inis f . lages it had been deemed well to class together, and *| amount the cost of a full 'pnnel of forty--dight jurore, \@ to make the qualification $400, and 't'or the cities which it would be necessary to provide in seventecn the amount had been fixed at $600. 'This widencd counties. _ That cost would_be per county $184 50, ~ the basis of eligibility somewhat, and made the ex-- t or to the Province $4,976. Deducting those amounts, ; i ereise: of discretion more nocessary. . Undor | ; the net average saving that would be effected to the Ts wection _ 8 of _ the _ Bill magistrates . were counties per annum would be $1,036, and to the y exempted from serving upon jurics in the l Province $40,000, or one--third o?tllo ontire amount . | ~eff inferior Courts, and as petty jurors of Assize and now paid in connection with the jury system. He ~ f Wisi Prius, but it had been thought well not to dis-- l did not consider his Bill by an fivxcuns a perfect x qualify them further, 'These were a body of about | one, but ho thoucht that no politiozl considerations & y a.} :&x thousand of the most intelligent men in the Pro-- should be allowed to entorinto the discussion upon ies 6 ince, and it was felt there was no rcason why they ! it, and askod for afair and temperate deliboration -- Aaces, 2 > should not be called upon to serve on juries in the of the Bill upon its merits (}hp %.. es S Buporior Courts,and the men whom they might dis-- c 2k [ cers.) o CAMea place there,wm:h take their places in the inferior iMl'- DEACON thought the Bill a step in the right e -- & Courts, which would be a benofit to those Courts. | direction, and that it would have the offect of greatly | | magere. Eo Another objectionable feature of the old Jaw.as would rgducmg the cost of the jury system, Ho suggested 3 s $ E+%! be known to those familiar with the Jury Act, l that the qualifications for jurors be mado t 3 * was the largo numbor of names sent in from cach | the same as that for Parliamentary elections. §. Ne e T municipality to the Clerks of the Peace to be selected :; Ho approved of the retention of the second board of mttoey s $ + from, as compared with the number really chosen. | selectors, as that would have the effect of maintain-- +M a tm i . ® "The names of the jurors were sont in by the town-- | ing a higher class of jurors. As the practice now . (rauss P ship solectors tothe Clerk of the Peace, by whom was, the cost of entering arecord, whether in jury or o miaeth . they are tabulated and arranged, enterod in the | non--jury cases, was about $3, while the Bill fixed it at §* ts -- furors' roll, and are brought be?oro the couuty se | $5, In any case the sum had to be paid by the liti-- 3 s A 'M;, who chose a certain number from among | gant, 'The Grand Jury was of great bencfit to the i "Ne= wrhom the jurors were drafted. -- This, it would be country, 'Their roports to the judge might be svoer-- #cen, requzred a great deal of work, and involved an ed _ at as sterootyped, but he bolieoved they s l E exp;use that aless cumbrous system would avoid. He had their effect; and 'if the Grand Jury was f Tess had returns from a number of counties, showing abolished, the gaols and county buildings would pl a s o enc -- -- Ahe relative numbers of those sclected and those not be kept in so eficient a condition as at present. t _ ntast k frafted in different counties. In Simcose 3,426 He regreited that any attempt was being made to ¢: & names had been sent to the Clerk of the Poace, from reduce the numbor required to form a panel and to _ css J whom 384 wore selected, the names rejected thus bring in a bill, It was a serious thing to put a man 7 ..\ We { boing over 3,000, The selection in the first place was upon his trial, and when sent bofore the grand jury E; t ¥€ . $ were from the assessment roll, genorally beginning it was one step in the direction of proving a man . > S f with the letter "A," so that those whose names be-- gulity, 'When there were considerations so impor-- f * gan with letters a considerable distance on in the tant as these, they might woll be very cautious in e : mlphabet were not reached at ali. This had any attempts to reduce the number of grand jurors, ./. e &# mlso another bad efect. As the same lottor Ykt which might have the effect of lessoning the efliciency -- cmd e + wchosen from throughout the county there wasa like-- of the grand jury. 5 3 B fihood thatione jury would be composed almost entire-- Mr. WHITE agreed with his hon. friend from Ap | | ) * $ _ Oe mimes: e e meemeinniere m n mm mmz gme mm n mannm en meerr h se