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Cnrlke : Ac | ion f ' could wish. se s t l2z .. 2 North Renfrew that the qualification for jurors _ he s t at, " 1 _A m i | should be the same as that required for the Parlia-- Mr. HARDY{Jwas inclined | to d thi&k to';):: ~--ptate s Jot 6e _ . 3 mentary franchise, as any voier of importance enough his hon. friend !m}'_ 0&9"&'9. :e .%C es To ue * 8 to vote for a member of Parliament was quite of jury cAsdés, and tholig t +that & 4 vmw!: t ul 2_";;,;{:3;.«,;%;( % qualifed to servo on a jury. _ Me also of his calculations would show . that ti :ta ::;' E at V»;:,;M' "ax 3+ thought that the charges for ontering records was not more than half the amount he h'.l hy es £¢€¢P" se a NEX E. -- were quite high enough now, and he did not think It would be monstrous to adopt the voters' lists ui. es i e « P s s it advisable to increage the cost of litigation bYy schedule from which to select jurymen, bocause in 7 A e > oo .o & 4 to, there Y Pssy raising them. With theso exceptions he approved some municipalities, as in the city 0 lo:gnm;' s se t'l..> * NhA t of the Bill, as it was in the direction of reducing E. were the names of many on the voters v'i'h i | t P 3. the cost of selecting jurors. would be .n!:g'"l_ but "".{"hribf't'::' m:t:.'and;r; p hS ae Mr. BAXTER said that there had 'been consider-- gro'x;ehri'ghq;;' M an conLt 16 .:fezud. ut it Wwhs & A 1° e i'. «?'?'5 a able agitation in the country for the abolition of :Iho "Ym dard wlnych was goncrally recognized, and he 1 rF T ies : grand jury, but the greater part of & '; thought it not judicious to put t{xo qualfication on & 7 h e % 3 | agitation had_ been incited by Qn"df?u":',o lower plane than at present, He proposed to insert i : on | | expense,. The Bill of the Hon, Provincial Hecro@TY 'a clause in the Bill by which those qualified to ; > ¢-- all | in a great degreo remedied that defect, an o 4n act as jurymen would be distinguished upon the | 4 sR B ts | | sure that the reduction in the number of Grand «u5 voters' lists by having marked opposite their names | & e ~ f rors would be in general more satisfactory than the letter J. He considored that his hom, friend f e / tire abolition of the Grand Jury. im YWaest I 4 5 7 :.s / ou nod from West Huron entertained oxtreme views as to l f + io Mr., MEREDITH said that as the Bill prop0® do tha jury system. It wus hardly fair to say that it | [3 h s °. a retrenchment it would have the support of "';{ >A | was only rogues who asKked for juries, and if the pre-- | Q ' $ | of the House. (Hear, hear.) It was doslr:l 6 | seut procedure were to be continued, it wasabsolute-- | . 1 in .. | throw every safeguard about the seleotion 9f | ly necessary to retain the juries in both civil | & s s Arors, H E: equgidered the hop. mover ! and crimiral cases. 'The principal was not an unfair | a f: of the Bi d made & mistako in fixing | one, that a certain proporition of the cost of juries [ , | the qualification for jurors at so high a rate. ghould be placed upen those who asked for them. K. | It the Grand Jury system was to bo rotained as & | If he were certain that the Legislature had power to . L § > part of their {udiuinry system, it seemed to him un« | make such an enactment, he would feel disposed to o 4 desirable that the changes indicated in the second ' propose a reduction in the number of petit jurors in f & ¥i4% part of the Bill should be made. If there was any | civil cases to nine, but it was so clear that they had 4 A c e objectlonb' to Grand iur;es lilt wuhthatct:l:.] :'::': | not th]e p'owor to do so in criminal cases, that he had [3 ~» orst s open to influence y those whose ca | thought best not at present to make any such propo-- 3 a y _'Q beforg them. It was evidfint th:t luohblnufl'f;rerl(l,g: : .m.,fl, ® Sn erove 4 § ..§ [ Fke, would be much greater where the number of }W r £ P s ,3'& s j w as tilrtocen thae; where it ('1"' ;'.'n.g')!lfo;r. tlt{x: The Bill was then road a second time, 1 P iesns | thought there had been no desire exhibited on Mr. MOWAT moved the ourn * > " * | part of the country to have the proposed reduction House, and the House udjom:&u"_ u:'i'::flt of the & #.0| in the number made. homrsanl i s L .cs | _ Mr. WILLS was much in favour of the general NOTICES OF MOTION, | % + ,f'g,';g"?' + scope of the Bill, He explained that the reason that # i | "v':f | the qualification for jurors was so low in the county Mr. Baxter--On Thursday next--Order of the s age * of HMastings, was that a number of the back House for a copy of the petition of the Fruit--Growern' § P * fgetmi'k townships were poor, besides boing a long way from | Association of Ontario presented to His Honour the x2 t § the county town,umi it was not thought desirable Licutenant--Governor in Council praying for in-- m i; _ to bring men: from theré to sit on the Grand Jury. creased aid ; also all correspondence in connection ', .Jer 3 | He approved of dtheh md]txctio;: in the m:lmberr of therewith, f ) ho oi o \ Grand Jurors, and though perbaps as good a Tory 9 d } # | as any raember in the House, ho thought this was Mr. McCranecy--On Thursday next--Bill to amend j f W¥ one of the reforms that wore needed. the Municipal Act. at hR Mr.CURRIE congratulated the Provincial Secrotary The Attorney--General--On Thursday next--Bill * "' \ on,the favourable reception his Bill had obtained from ; to amend tho Medical Act. ¢ F® the House, He :n; one of thos: who wilhodhth:t I if +. ons the Legislature had power to do away with the f annnemmmemmemmmmmemiemee menecemens en S 3 N Grand J ury altogother, as he had never been able to PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEB E gee any benefit resuiting from it, _ Other countries s3. }1 & \sik | t a : fk . | had no Grand Jury, and thero were no ecmplaints f N* Toks l o ~Lf y , + | there on account of its absence. 1t was an expensive oroxTto, Feb, 25. § 5j E * | fl}"m 0"'"1':0"' P"0¢°"'b¥d':'!|;i('}' to ':ty ofl'en;Ie'rl,.nd This Committes mot this morning. Presont:-- h Te ..'% the cost often outweighed the importance of having a rall s £ | l S (inkeg \ the crime punished, gue did not understand why a Mosers, Clarke (Wellington), in tho chair, Mardy, f f $ -- m | Reform Governmentdshould int-teau thedju,ry fcle: Wood, Lauder, Gibson, Striker, Harcourt, Wil-- ce aber * / both in the County and Superior Courts,and though liams, Forris C the Government vywuld do well to congider the ad-- ) Horiy, and Morrick. x [ / . visability of altering that provision in the Bill. A communication was rocoived from J. W. Mur-- \ e .. > | Mr. ROSS said that his anclflllon having been t;i- ray, Govornment detective, stating the number of | ected to the question for some years, ho in wht n > | h {md come to the conclusion that no part ;':;;" which he bad been engaged during the year P ' < of the administration fof jult'i'%e required roforn; * 1 y more than the jury system. are wore sevora ) | clauses in the Bi{l o{which he did not approve. It Dr. J. G. Hodgins was examined at some length | . © would be recollected that he had introduced a Bill as to the management of the Depository in the #. | ;llr?iling with (tih.th -'ubgl(;ct last lu:ion1 v:ihereirn he Education Department. Ho stated that the regula-- : % | ad propose a o power of sclecting jurors ; $ 6 should be exercised principally by the township h{om of the D?"""""' in regard to the purchase i ¥Be Boards. He had conceived that the townahip Boards of school suppliecs from booksellers were, that on 4 ) were better ;;unliflc:d ":l .lzleo:h jur(l)n thmfcounty the receipt of an application by the Department ) f +6 Boards, and considered that the sslection of jurors w NB 0 [ ' by towhship Boards would be a much groater 'check {'""? l]ny porson to be aliowed to purchase from & r 2 Pak # upon the packing of juries than the choosing ooksoller, accompaniod by a list of the articles, f 8t F of Jurorsd ::y ool:mty t".u;lectloni:. l,:"ll"g !with the prices, &c., the articles were, if of the iz were possessod of so much greater local knowledgo, class an N : and wers consequently bettor able to make an in-- | lnrrchixs gfi"';_g?mb{h:heholzfil;:{":l:fn:.b e.sl:u'r'uodulgofia:: 4| telligent selection. In his own county there were | largely affected the sales of su;}p'lies'b tho8 Deposi-- no loss than twonty--five municipalitios, aud the fact tory ; in 1876--7 they< reduced 'the rgvenue sDOUt se | of there being such a number of local Boards almost $5,000; the advance to the buyer on the purchase | $ } : | entirely did away with the danger of their coilu-- price of the supplies ranged from 18 per cent. to 40 | N | sion to pack a jury panel. . HMe saw no objection to per cent.; the businces done by the Department did | R % B | leaving the selection entirely in the hands of the not interfere with the legitimate retail trado of 'To-- = al ; local Boards, and their work would be at a';{ r;te ronto; considerable dificulty was experienced by ns | subject to revision by the county Boards. . HMe do-- the Department from bookssllers pressing the adop-- $ 4 *3. | scribed the mode laid down in the stututes for the tion of new text--books; the pressure was generally %{.. C | selection of jurors by County Boards, &nd 00""'"?'?'-{ brought to bear throug'h Inspectors from whom book» "i | I that if that Board were to be ret.anAued' ¥drmg '_"'&h" sellers had reccived commendations of these @ | | change would have to be made in that procedure. books; from ticir business connections in Britain | P A. | But he hold that the County Board should be m;ne | the Department was ablo to supply text--books at 18 | z § d away with altogother, and that the Township or 19 cents per shilling storling of the retail price in | k [ Boan_h ought to make thpu lists and return thein to | England, while retail bookscfiers Y ere not" sble to I ' "\ * the Cierk, and that tho jury panel should be m.ndg sell the same books for less than thirty cents; for | a ; directly from that list, _ He saw . no neu;s this reason the attempt to establish local depots | 1B * gity _ for having four jury . lists--two . for | throughout the country had been a failure; the | grand _ and two for potit jurics--and con-- great bulk of the trade in books with Britain was 10 ] sidered that two would be quite sufficient, one * confined to three leading firms there, and the result | I KR..# 0 for the (Girand, and one for tho Potit Jury.i ;Bosides was to enable the Department to obtain supplies at | C s1% the greater directness of such a plan, it possessed very reduced rates; the maintenance of the Depository 4 & the recommendation that it would very materially in a state of efficiency would greatly aid in zceping | : lessen the expensc, _ HMe also held that the increase the schools in a satisfactory condition. ; 3 that was proposed in jury fees was less than it should y ' | U y be in jury casos. Ho had made the calcaulation that M.r. LAnglx asked an explanation of the paymen:t & 1 t + every jury case tried in 1876 had cost the country of g20u to 'I'. C. Scoble for a report on the Deposi-- | j Fas $98 for the jury alone, includisyg criminal casos, tory, s f W w He thought it not unreasonable that suitors who Mr. Haroy said that on Mr. Crooks assuming the 3 t asked for a fjfury to try their cases should pay a duties of tho Minister of Education he had empioyed larger propurtion of the expense attenaing the jury Mr. Scoble to make a confidential report on the 4 f x:\ than at prosent. Objection was made to this on the state of the Depository. The preparation of the re-- ? l s ground that it would increaso the cost to litigants, | port had employed Mr. Scoble forty days, for which $ t but such 'an ub.iu';_"m! W:-'l"ll'i;'!"l'"l! W('fh m'uvh u'rlelm.or time he was paid at the rate of $6 a day. 4 5 C 0 to the practice in the Mother Country. iere Ne L;% | | {h{)cvpanics, to the cause had to pay the whole cost Mr. Lavo®® asked , what the nature of the report l \ of the jury attending the trial, and the | Wwab. --1 statutes in 'this country also recoguized that Mr, Haror said that on Mr. Crooks tak-- a A } principle. Jt _ was said, too, that an in-- | ing -- office _ the _ affairs of the Depository #7 A | creage in the jury fees would prevent the poor | were not nocelssril{' familiar to him, and it was ;}'\. ' man from hbaving his case tried by ajury, but if | desirable that he should bave a thorough know-- < "g' ~A gontlemen of the fong robe would turn their atten-- | ledge of the state of the Depository, and the way in J xsl tion to the reduction of their own fees, he thought | which it was managed, 'The precise naturo of the ~ Jke the poor man might be recouped for this increased | report he was not in a position to explain, but he . B cost. 1e had found an unanizmity among legal men had no doubt Mr. Crooks would willingly furnish k in preferring a trial by aJudgo if they were conti-- the intormation,. | dent of having a cloar and just "':l'?' but {"'ih'"' ® Mr. Lavo®® said that the oxponditure appearced to they had oue of questionable merits they i l adices , him a waste of money, and he would move in the sort to a jury, upon whose feclings ;'"' p"?" ""9"' House that it be declared such, they felt abie to work much more effectually than In reply to Mr. Merrick, Mr. i ed th the mind of the Judge, who was . Ao-- reply to Mr. Merrick, Mr. Hodgins stated that a upon d to tho sifting of --the evidence, in his opinion the High School Inspectors could un-- custome a o-'nion of matters solely upon facts. dertake in addition to their present duties to inspoct ;;': vn? ':\ot ?::romutxlo to the abolition of the Grand 't:)" higher '}:pftmhe"" of th:dPublho Schools in tl:" j j wns in which t isi i : J m:i'e' ?":";"?'";::mm': :};'a;:r?rrugo::g"::\'s? :;'l'g::; ':: would have a very g?){)d :}Ysel;t ';ponl:heb?cl:;;fi, :lf; I x f hinder the effectual working of the jury with a much would not eatail any additional exponse. &o smallor number tian at present, He concurred in The Crarrxax laid a draft report before the Com-- [ss the Bill, though it did not go so far in the mattor as lr:llttt'ze ;0 be presented to the Legislature, which was pose i. adopted, | para » K t ~_| ; -- The Committed adjourned at one o'clock. }. y penkas, = & nungenewetereeaeeeniacaweeaioeaee T l