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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 5 Mar 1879, p. 4

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- WM, - . . ' .3 J".".' . . T"'0e"rr"r' Own . -' . " b _ I 1 2 1?& V Mi _ 'r .rr, 1; . C',,"-,'.-'.'?:);, BR - 'e 1 - , 1 'r; I ""'er'7. "I '.- . .'" . , -. ., _ _ I = Ml? a??? if». . "r't' l _ '--,r;faitN 'r-r, T3,.' i - _ - ! men could be engaged " low we" in the Bret in- 1,33.th ' f" the rivel of Chicago. Wear, hear.) t m, but new " they. sure t'tet', they r' .51". 1 The report wns received and referred to the Print- were sought after a otturr tttet/ere,,',',,',,')",'."; 5;. t; I il, , _ gnu Committee with instructions to have it printed. si,tt,tlt't,,tt1"la'l'll"fll, already lost servsuts who" .1 333' . _ ; CONCURRENCE. ttt become of great value, because it woe "tram; / l 1i,i:ii'i, , , , , # l tiNir'r. . tk r, , .,r I With "and to the item of $14,430 in the Execu- pol-1m tog" "tttapr" "WWW ttt 'lr,',','itlll . C,"' a 3:- ' , r' . . . ervioel- T salaries -iiidinothirtMt" a out i... _ 'ee" , tive Council end the AttornetcGenera1 s Office, :mnll but the economy w as only in the home; the 4... .1..- a -_, - Mr. BEACON said it was necessary to do mere , 11'G'G of odious if not satBeitsistir large would be _ - 'N . , than merely talk economy. It.wonld not do to rc- ' tmgnlerly increased cousin an immense loss to "r: x. r dune the sunrise of bother omccrs without reducing the -putrtitt, These odoers 'l'lf been gum, in . cer- . "rl _', ' 3 also tho" 'dsroiviug Itsrge tuUtbriea. The reduction tofu style in view of their incomes, end i s reduc- 5' , _ l he won about to move for was attt at all with a view tion was undo the effect would be to offer - or '." , , '" ' 1 to "tleqtt qurort the ability of tho otbter to be amseted, , lees temptations to irregularities, and sunken the 'Al V mr " recognized "I. vitae ot his "rvittes, but tttt maul ohnrocter of the service. He would prefer in g - . pointed out that in 1870, when first nppointed, he _ the coming oontcstto be defeated, rather then ooun- .. f. k, received only tyh't which next year was incensed tennneen reduction which, thou h it pretended to T . N i tos2,000, and aim to $2,800, which inomso he secure scone , was in really extravagant. a PJ"' thought was took great and too rapid; therefore he (Cheers.) Baltic had no {can or the result, for he ' H. ptoved in "ttendmout, " That the said resolution be believed that the people of the Province were not in it! "as . not now concurred in but be forthwith referred sympathy with the- proposed reduction. (Loud 1n," '; bl" to the pommittu ofSuwlr. with 1mtreliog1,t to cheers.) To take Advantage of a reduction in the 'di its ' "tttseo the item of $9.390 for "I. "larr of thtt cure cost of the necessaries ot life to reduce these salaries " It [ , of the 2txeouhre.Coiuicik'am1 Deputy of the Attorney- was a most uustatenvaulike thing to do, Gl . IU, 1 1Nmera1 to82r'i00." and a most disgraceful piece or tutrtisansltip. _ , b' ' " i Mr. MEREDITH aid that notwithstanding the (Land cheering.) No 1lerelictiuu of duty what- - V i clause in the Address in reply to the Speech from ever was charged sgainst the. otlivers, and it , , - 1 i the Throne recommending economy, nothing of im- was not pretended that they did not earn their q I it r I; portanco in this direction had been done. He believed money now as well as they did some years ago, when _ " P, . l that in e reductions must be made if the people lion. gentlemen so unanimously expressed ihcm- . of 1fJW,1"i'lle would aroid the evils of direct selves in favour of an increase. In bringing thin ' taxation. All through the country steps toward re- question up the hott. "raitrr ot tho Uyitorition w: 3 & r , trenchmont were being made. " Prince Edward knowledged either that he was opposed to the polio ' _ ' r, ' 1 . Island this had been deemed of so much importance which his party had before no stronfgly udVUcaloJ, Tr 1 I . ' thatit had been referred to in the friction from the or that this reduction was propasw merely for u Ir-li Thronelst the last meeting of Parliament. In the put, pulpou. To? poop", or the .erovitur. how- . 'IX ik' cities ot Toronto, llnmilton, Kingston, and London ever, would apprccmto the fact. that Jn Opposing this 1 reductions of salaries were being made. It might reduction the Government new acting in the in. _ ' be said that this Province was in a better position ten-cats, not of men who were in sympathy with thorn .3 than these cities, but though the Province was rich, politically, lilll'wlio had a; a rule been appointnd by . r yet etMhatr was quite as necessary. The item for their opponents, and whose politicnl News wcn: - the reduction of which he proposed to more was the agairvat them, It 903*Iuid tsl. more !"a'.. the lion. _ l salaries of Ministers. The House had committed it. It.sadtr of tho Opposition "Mum fowl: of. "Award ' t, . self to a reduction of the indemnity of members, and times as s reason for shooting this reduction. " the I ' _ it had been shown that the whole time of Ministers party with whom he was isitntiiuyt had Vomit". ' : ': was not necessary for the performance of the official I iaort.W" they 1"" m P'wer. tf.' bring about so 'm' 1 ".3 duties, This was not t 'gh"iLr,rtr,'d to the Minit- medute and contents teiitt tor the hard ll t . ters themselves. but a ectedi ' public expenditure times which had so long oppressed the PW - 1 ' tf. ot'tho country. In questions of this kindthe I'ro- mice in common with the rest of the world. i . ' ' E, vineiatCivil8trrvieo were not the some aetliosc ofthc With regard to tho satin-ion of Ministers. that W" r i a, "5 Dominion,fer that had been the growth ofsoine time. "OmTlhlvg which, as it unwind themselvr 1'. he . " ll , -. Owing to the deltcesion which had lasted for so long eould not My muah. Ir, would just rcyark, how- ' 'lt il x. . '.. atimtt the purchesing power oi'moncy had increased I ever, that the increase was made not only h) rill the _ . . I ' , . E',, by almost duo-third,tsptl reduotionot expenses wee 1 consent, but wi'v.h. "10 hearty approval, oi hon. I , E _ the rule in all parts of the Dominion, no that it was I gentlemen oresitt', .an.d that there was " ununl- l , , E, only fair that the salaries of the Civil Service should I mono onprcsmon of Opinion in its favour. It had '. , or, i' be reduced as well. 1F,tueresfort, moved in amond- _ been said that it was underrated. at the time the lll' - y ' _ "P,T' ' 'f mom to the amendment, " That all the o. ords in the cruise was made that Ministers should devote their " I ' . 1 proposed amendment after the word 'that' be struck whole time to the duties of their respective offices. I y ' out, and the following substituted therefor ...-an the He had "id before, and. ha TMBT maintained, that ', ' , il opinion of this liouse the salaries of the Ministers no such thing was iyryt.iottd at that time. How- . 5 , ' ' _ f, . r" should be fixed at $3,500, with 81,000 tulditiona1 for eFer, the present Minute" had denied more this . . 1 3,3;5421471'" the Premier; that the salaries of the deputy heads to We" ofBoia1 duties than their predecessors, an e" I -:', 'iiirtii1F" of the Departmeut' should not exceed $2,500; ttnd uotou1rthat, but tuey had nltso. feet ntor6 work . . - 1. / U' tit' -"N that all the salaries of the Departmental odious for I than attr 1vh? had Mor "WW1" the gauM' 031cc. 1- ,1 it. which appropriations had not already been made, (Loud cheering.) . I F and which are in excess of of$800, should b, reduo- - Mr. MORRIS thought it unfortunate that .Doo I f- ed by ten per cent. of the nmount thereof, but not go minion politics should be dragged into questions . . 3 ' " as to reduce tiny snchsalnry to an amount below of this House on every Occasion by gentlemen , w Tt $800, and that the said resolution be forthwith re- opposite. It Witt? not possible for any country to ' - . terred back to the Committee ofSupply mtli instruc- _ secure prosperity in a moment from u depreeslon _ tious to reduce the items under the head of Exccii- [ such as we lmd indexed under. The people did not r _ _ _ tive t'onncil and Attonury-utrtatsral" oitimr accord- expect this, but simply that the prdrToritr of the . i :33; _ ingly." I country could be aided by wine legislation. (Oppo- I " ' Ma's? _ i Mr. MOWAT said it was very easy to make pre- ' eition cheers.) lie believed that before Iffy was I .. I . u 19,323 ' _ tenco of a desito for retrenchment by proposing to [ over the. poop).- of (mind; would see that at ter than t /t "o é reduce the salaries, for no mutter what salaries were Ute ily on the whcci poiicy It as mucous-dry to weather I ' , r given it was easy for hon. gentlemen opposite to say the storm of depression. He repelled the accusa- ' «- l, , t , , ,u, . they were too large, move a resolution of this kind, tion that this mohair was made for party piiimoues, l ' 1 _ and take credit for n desire to economize. lie claim- bat the time had come when n revision of the ex- 'p a, , tit, ed, however, that the salaries were 1,11 now as low as l, pondituo must he made. E vary mercantile house v8. " , 'l #,ip .. thtt interests of tho counts required. The plain _ in the Province was taking stocs of their expendl- ti, l) l. " ', .' _ reason why they could not lie reduced was tl at the _, HUM, end soaking in max,- reductions. 't he flu/Y'" I T , I _ ", Government had been all along In economical that i tion yt traHties of Miussvcrs 'Cds en'.Uux'y Ivity.in the C' l ' ' 1 1 "r not one ofthem was too high. (Cheers) The hon. 1 provirumu't" tly11bras?. IN bad ttO hrisitatiort .111 C', I , e _ ' leader of the Upposition spoke of the solar-ice of men ' ""119 t.tutt this .reTlut.ioa wad N:'cu?ed by a desire ', l l _ .1. «f: in busiiieis emptoyments. its must know perfectly l lo 5'3"" tha "tu-it 1rdet'ratrt of tio 1'IVit1ci3. ' r . ,3; 'CC,', well that there were tuaur mercantile positions haw l f Mr. WOOD said that the s. ilaiie i of Ministers be- , i & jug attached to them. szilarics larger, neversl times " ing 'A matter personal to tilelnv'lr ' he did not pur- I . I TN V 1 0V": than thoes mcei,rcd by 00100" of tho Goren» , pose to give his own views of the matter, lmtwould i r r - j If; nrent,tttsrtormitig as important rind no srduoue work; give tho opinions of hon. tnotnberg opyoriito its rte-.1 . r gud larger t.sr. a are" deal In many instances. _ porttylia tue Mail. Me then proceeded to quote the , _ . thauthosc paid to Ministers of the Crown. winters.) showings of Iron. gonllonicn from the rel-or; of the I l , _ It ,was impossible to come to a fair conclusion . diwursion on the incroaxc ofthe salaries in the ses- , 3 > upon this matter without kncmug what were the sionof 1876-7, nilof much were strong . in favour I , .. I duties performed, and this none could know so well of the proposed increases. lie Ol'j'JSleif to salaries ' _ r . " the members of the Government. During the being reduced Solon? "they "age being earned, e . l '3 four years immediately following Confederation the but he desired to go further, an! in claim,' so spoke ' " l I i y". mimics were considerably lower than at present, arltly up;n his owurcspoatsesility, lie objected r r T bat it was t.hert.diy.:mreyui, thatit would be impos- further their, to tho hull. members in the front 1 , MY siblo to '.nainuue.rue, ettieiencr of the service unless ' Benches ot the 1)ppositioa picking out a certain class i, " _ the salaries were increased. Competent men would to have their tttlures reduced, and that was , / not cantinuc in the public service for the, remunero , the class of laymen. He would, however, ' . . ation that was offered titem... Witett the increase was worn the hon. gentleman that the people . ' l e ,9:- J made it received the sanction of hon. members on of this Province were. wide awake, and when ' 1 " , (, both sides ot the Home. It Would be cosy enough Y, it was proposed to mime the 31121163 of nou-profcs- , ' ' _ " ' for the present bovcrnment, if they did not care for , bional servants of the Unvermnunt by a motion aimed , 111 - _ llEi' the tfhcien..ey of the servrce so much as to make s. i Speciullv at them, he, was going too for in that direc- . i , I.?' i display of economy, or to prevent lion. gentlemen , thin. lie admitted that the legal profession were i l " ' " to" l opposite having on opportunity of raising it cry } our authority in this Province, and stood as high as i " l T . J against them, to either concur in the present motion 1 those of any other country; he did not pretend that i , J" - rs', 7 ' , l or even offer to make a still further reduction. l, they were receiving larger foes than elsewhere or ii 1 LI 1, . 3 Why did ttyr.y. "m. take that corn?"? 2tecautw, that he believed those fees should be reduced. lint a I ii , .311 q T i instead. of tltie being JP. ttion/elle? "CVO it 2 "going this cut,ifii wns unrcar:oaaldtt and unwise . 1!. A ' a. Er" I woe mute the "the- 1?.ett,ty the lutn. member 1 to reduce the fees of tho legal gentlemm who were Ta g ' 1 . l , for London tqroktr 01 our 1Jjvjl 'itrt'y;t Ityt 11""? the , in receipt of incomes of two, that), or even ten thon- _ I I ' 'Q W"' , some as yt Ottawa. Me Irlai,,ey.) inst it was 0 the , sand dollars a year, then why pick cut the laymen ' at' ' rF utmost importance to the I'roviuce that the Cunt l and introduce I motion spisciisUy against them t 1f h' t; " R" Service should he as carefully looked after}: that ' several thousands of dollars were struck off the , r, t - , ' of ttae Dotsu'ttMMt " ot 'utr utlter State. 1'Uty true _ salaries it would not reduce the taxation of the pec- . " emcicncy and good working of the Doparttntmts de. _ pic, but would 2ivo them a slight ndduionnl intcicst l . P, l ndod upon the "fidelity of the 0&1er of those in he r 1'... N ' , . t ', . _ C . . , I t surp us. inkln,3 tho amount paid annually ,, 5., . )qmrtmente, and the loss ofciitcrcncy, winchvtould T to ottioims of the Governor :ttt as 8rc trot) .. AU; ', result from reducing the salaries of those ottiecrr, 1 ten per cent oil that wouid Flo" 'il'ii,'i,ir/, I ' *1. 1 would Wingless! 'ttat' /,g'll'. /'fr"id"dati'g"lfihtt l which trxtraopliusry cannons] humid.~ just of" , v l , F v rm ll . . . . " Ef: i, ll: Ellie to say that the Civil Service of this Province I fish ttl," of ur. populstron aa Lidiuo.aal '. o," l "a wholly free from corruption. (Chasm) This l th it? o one cent inthc surplus. ya's.su1'pu.c:it9 , , K I w" a. most creditable thing to the Province at . 't'lil2'ly"r'd'f,2 [11,1330 lawyers it,te,aPy,)1n,tu, their '4 lugs; but how was it to be kept up to this standard g or a t )t- l . f " o . amount to shoal each per your, 'd tif. 1 ofpurity it the officers were to be given the idea that I I on ",1 l g' flgeytl, .5 reduction of tou PM cont. _ , l their incomes were lislile at any moment toberc- i C 'llu'ju'l,h I.ouso "ying, Cl,'-: power to regulate u, duced, and that reduction would depend largely l 1 ' give a. SIVlllg to toe pceplc of "00,900. 1 'lt on whether "Ld"" Qlt,tiglrtras"' dimming; 1 1 :11" iA L Dedt--'1'ut is forthe G'ovaratrutat in do. ' e . ' I red to ttMt ' , r. FOOD-The n . ' 4 i l :ry? It was well known that 'tho chnrnctcr 1 luchnthing. They ('/',gipt,'gt"tcgel,dtg,e "£0011," " i attire civil service in other countries was not so l ttcast-iron rule um " b _ 'r' , ti not, rise cos ' ' as that of the Ontario stuff, and tireless caused l i aud of bacon had "do: 1'11""? $21)er ot bread E t . i fitness was very large. Every I 'tate .' . a "l "l thJcrittd,: us Wrory ', r y ttut wamtot ttity g . ed, to tha "u mu" being siug1ed out for an attack I r form of ,t,1ggrh1"vl'., 'iitijit/tety,1dl.Tm'ltt' or tin kind, and he urea in; 1.... friend meander . iiurtttd, fg,",Wh'fll lens "to office i'i7iiiir7 I" l I if Ugo lyatt 311 of the country would ;consont to such To 1, igg."J',liTJr.l were seekin to do. Reference had 3131:}??? would tmbmit to being Jold th at - . mum tl 'ilirfiil,?yiiii emigre-i3 i'uotr JIT', 33.5.32. in. Te,), ta,h1i'it,dtt, il I I r r v . Wm ttmt on . WR qu o no tb goo . la, reduced by $100. The legal gentlemen ' "1-9310"- oily he was glad to ndniit-rneisrly All . i . t,' f 1-1

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