The Ontario Scrapbook Hansard

Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 25 Feb 1880, p. 4

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<C ® ® I ym ® * e on s f ,f"m':: "aEE , TY ;f_,,' 4 ';, % ,'» -v' a ~.:\, _ -- a " Wemiit LA' H'E« Jff%~"" "1' % f'.-:' ii.; o s .< i n n y es > e s o ie t f + w buildings would eost 100,000, and they | _ _ _ _ _ _ | was unanswerable, and starting with had an expenditure of $350,000 for single id ; that assumption ho averred that the Departmental buildings, as against the pro. t c . , facts warranted them in uginl that these posed expenditure Of . $500,000, which e . buildings were wholly' inadequate tor the would give accommodation for all the De-- J e A | purposes for which they were intended, paitments, for the Legislative Assembly, 7 for of the six Departments of the Govern-- and for the Library, and eml} of them < mont less than one--half of them were C867 adapted to their respective requirements in f wl ried on within the present structute, every respect. (Hear, hear, and chcers .) t Py Neither the Departmont of Public Works, | And supposing that it was arguaed that it es ; that of the At.to'rney'.aonoral, nor the Do« | was better to spend $350,000 in this way, fa | pattment of Education were accommodated |A4d if they included accommodation for a within these walls, whiloe that part of the | the other outside Departments, the amount t | Secretary's Department relating to immi-- t would be very much greater than $500,000 ;;' | gration and the Insurance Brauch of the | for the evection of new buildings, in what . t | > wuiay | Treasurer's Department worealsocarried on | position would they find themsclves ? I : ts in other buildin;l. So tnat they found The would %ve % 'fiw (Pu"&!ng ropre» A f \this rich Province which enjoye{l unt{ug the Crown Lands Department * a large surplus, and was giving away l_""' ; placed alongside of an unsightly block of P lions every year to aid various enterpri80$® . 'ola tumble.gown buildings, one crying t broughout the country, having its public I «: shame" to ?fie' othar, aud'c the whole affait offices in buildings croctegl bhalf a century a reproach to the Province and a by--word to i ago, and which were now inadequate to ac. every one who visited thecity, (Hear, hear.) t commodate ont half of the Dcplflm"l'l": \The result would be that the Province , 3 of the public service. Puilting tha | would be compelled out of sheer shame, D 4 reasonably to the House and to the coun-- \and in respect for its position as the pre. 1 ; | try he did not think that that was a state | bater Province of the Dominion, to go on U f | x i Id4 be allowed to migr LYoYin + 4 lof things which should be A (t§olf | and continue the work of erection by ada-- § § continue ; that Ontario, in justice to itse ing new buildings for the other Depart. §l 4 as the cmpire Province of the Dominion, \ ments, and eventually on the Legislative ak ts should have buiidings such as would amply \ Chamt'»er and the Library, | And if they | i"d | accommodate all t&g Doiartmonts o; the | \dia that they would find that the cost : 2 l &"W l'rflc?' C {"'." ear,) He 'nm would reach to oue million dollars, instead ,} 1| at from a miserly point ot view 1t MB of one half that amount as was proposed | i [ suit the views of sothe hon, '6""5199;'.? by the resolutions before the House, [ & have the Departments of tho Province They _ would be met _ turthermore 6 3 scattered throughout the city, but he did with the constant outery from the N s | not think that the people of this Province people of Toronto against the Provincial J c * would consider it fitting that thev.should Government occupying this valuable block T ggeo T ht se t P 0 ce e ies e of land, and he couid not but say that the § their business in private dwellings, Mo C wot'lld be a rightcous one, when the hP stated further that these buildings were ab. h city was practically offering a new and ; }1 solutely unsafe. He did not speak of this / Woiter site free of cost, Now the propo. 11 % Chamber, but o( the Departments ; and he / sition of the Government was to go to ." ¥ averred that any person who know f work at onoe and erect new Provincial t anything about the subject would say that ( buildings to accommodate the Legislature 1 4 A the preseat Crown Lands _Department was "and all the Dopartments at a cost of not || 8 |} : no place in which such important public _ more than $500,000. If ho was right in ;i'l documents and records as plans and maps & his calculation, and he thought he was, l | fi ! ce .. of the wnole of our surveys, and the title the difference between the sost to the coun. | 4 ; | * KT : deeds of a largo portion of the lands pf try of this single Department and the cost of | i N f this Province, should be allowed to remain ) new buildings out and out would be but a | Et ° t for a single day. If a fire got into these hX mere bagatelle, when it was considered 8t C buildings and got any headway they would A\ that for the larger amount they would | t t go like a whifl of smoke, ""f' "'?'° TR bhave buildings which would be worthy of U | | would bo no probability of saving it ; \ A tho leading Proviuce of the Dominion. 8( t | and _ though they _ had . fortunately | _ . _ , \ ~~ Hon. gentlemen would naturally de-- § 'l ; escaped -- that calamity thus far no L. "\¥" | sire to know upon what they based their (4 3 | reasonable man could consent to allow & 3 | assumption that the new buildings would ; j ' this risk to continue for a moment louger not cost more than $500,000. He would | § 1 | than was necessary, (Hear, hear.) Ad-- \ be told that estimates for public buildiugs ; ; | mitting thege buildings to be unsate and \ invariably tell behind the actual cost, and | *A A f | inadequate, they had to do one or other of instanced the example of the Parliament i f three things; first, they might blind Buildings at Ottawa. He would say , \e themsslves to thoe present state of affairs, in the first place that the Govern-- |, { i' and allow things to go on as they were, ment had no desire for the expenditure | - | and take their chances. He agid not think ot money merely for the sake of ; f any man, whose judgment was worth any-- expending it, Tney would much rather 4 thing before the people of this Pro. bs in the pogitign of Qa{'i'pg that this ¢x-- , » vince, could bonestly contond in fayour penditure was hot necessfry, if they could | | of that position, especially as the qu»stion @ey «o eangistently with their duties and }| | had siready been pronounced ip>n by respounsibilities to the people, than to | j | the people's represontatives, Two alter-- | accept the position in which they found | WE k. | nuatives remained ; they might cither re. themselves with regard to this question. | ; } \ construct the Crown Lands Department so But they had considered the matter very | | as to make it safs and suflicient for the fully fromm the outset, and had taken care § j ols public service, or elso erect new buildings to Mhake themselves cortain that the ex-- | 'I%s) out and out,. Supposing they decided penditure would not exceed the estimate, ; C 9 that they should have a reconstruction of 'I'o those who said that estimates for the t We 4 the Crown Lands Department, it would ervection of public buildings were inva. A @ [ be well to consider what was involved in riably oxceoded, he would say that if they ¥3% s that proposition, Lu the first place the | would take the record of the Public Works | fit | g. new buildings would have to be fire proof, Department for the past forty or fifty . @ 3 | for as tho Government bad made it im. vears they would fiad that everyone of the | ' | e ; . | perative on the various counties through. public buildings erected within that time | 7@ " Te | out the Province to provide fire.proof had been erected for less than the esti. | 2/ 0 ya )% | buildings for their titlo deeds and other mated amount. (Cheers.) He took no | y such documents, they would not be war. special credit to the Department on that | 3 ranted in placing public documents of account, only that they had tried in every ' y y vastly greater importance in a building » case to make caretul estimates, and to pre. | & | that was not fire proof, Another thing vent contractors from getting the advan-- | f | which might be taken tor granted was that tage of the Province in those matters, He | o 3 | the new accommodation must be upon the * pointed out that the estimates for the ¢ present site, tor nobody would suggest erection of two cottages in 1877 for the : :R that any other should be selected for such accommodation ot 120 patients, and a re-- 3 is a purpose. 'That boeing admitted the next fractory ward at the London Asylum, for t45: | '.question was that of cost, Somebody 140 patients, was $120,000, and that they C $ | might be inclined to say that the neces-- had been erected for $101,090. In the same ik.= sary expenditure would not be more than yoar they had asked an aopropriation ) " yes g100,000 or $125,000, but they must bear of $160,000 for the erection ot a building :i se ._> : in mind that if they adopted the course to accommodate 300 patients at the ; ol : en 1e which he was now considering they would Hamilton Asylum, and the building had -- d ts have to include with the aciual cost of been erected for 141,0'00. The same was P * the buildings the value of the b!oc!; of true with regard to the Normal School at ; » lana upon which the present buildings Oitawa, and as to the Central Prison they stood. He would put the value of the land were not responsible for the estimates in ' : C at say $250,000, and supposo that the ; o e d 1

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