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PR P sills d Namshifeles t iefi e tliee : 145 4.: dnb t t ~ i ymom sc 1 s . ~apul i / o is oo e o o es e h se s s _ .opr w oA L ~ O ~ l K K¥ 223 .' 4 ,'.._,, -- 7 " i',';".g'f * -' ~a F C ow ~o oC ces .. C :% | right that it should be carefully considered. ' not benefit, but injured, the. farming COM _ ______----_| He could not, however. go so far as to with-- C munity.. _ The Association had . done 4 draw the grant without the most thorough in-- ' t deal of good at one time, . buf vestigation into the amount of good that was -- fi;e: many other "'i"FS is . 'had (;"t}:::,(i being done by the Association. 'The Govern-- | Th ugoffulnessi -l«'llle); l?:}l;\'xm:grt%?lo'bvs(}ov- ment would during recess make such investi-- ! throughout the country un=upt "of th gation and give the matter their most careful ;';'o'"."f"t. l""},' i lil:)e 1lz'31'lzgnle::fi)u:xt£31ile;)§etlxe: eonsideration ; am'l (;w would therefore ask that vincial _Fa 4 i s he inotion be withdrawn. | to about $17,000. . If . it r.ct'!"\'v':sdnt;'t'i::'gnt: i 3 Mr. MEREDITH said on a question of this ' | expend $12,000 in prizes i ) importance the Governinent should have some | business basis. _ MHe took the ground that an M ol policy | institution handled like that could not exnstL hxl\b;l'r]';'v'(').\u- D sald | that the Coverfiiient in. ooo M muad mhop T $1.97. bas ho h | teant o he ht mill to give the matter their Cuimeg 'ar o was sure tha lieved that was shown only on paper, and that | most careliul considetation. . 118 / it would be found on im'csti:r)agfm _that the | }l(])?'::b:r?mlll;::w::: data at present on which to f oc# ies prmioon mettaoch wis maroges | Mir. ERODER suid that at Ottawn the falling 1 F off of the gate receipts 0 e Provincial Show Weu', bow 1tfiwas that th? mdgge ndent Stoms | was not %wmg to;:L want of attendance, bat receiving no CGovernment aid paid so well. He | i t ini i owing to mismanagement on the part of the trusted that the Minister of Agriculture would | s ol Tf . the grant was withdrawn he fook into the matter, ud give them some light ) a.s::.);':: lqoonr;xe of thee\%'estpm shows would be regarding it. h C y + f 1 ¢ C ( sai avi + ia-- asking for a portion of that grant. As the ttow. had 'Tor. Sereral ~fours ho. Decouning 1 | Association was doing a puU®c good the$10,000 r T iginal object of ) grant was merely a nominal sum for the Pro-- somewhat unpopul:u-.b A l[:e original o ){fi ct o ¥ince to pay. _ He was loth to sweep away the the grant was to enable them to give sufficient oo CTals e » rizes to make their Exhibitions a success. But Association at one blow. ; $ sow this was no longer necessary, as the in-- ' Mr. BALLA:\T\ NE "fi"e.s*'";."f'd :l'f'l:her ?3 crease in the population and the greater facilities much improvement mf t ""; Ne ALOe ':"" $ for travel, would enable the Association to be | hnve.tal'wu ;')l{we_ but for the existence of the self--supporting. The question to be decided was | Provincial Fair in the past. There was no whether the annual grant would be a benefit or | | doubt that a diploma from--the Agricultural not. The Industrial Exhibition was a great | | and Arts Association was held to be of more success, as were the Exhibitions at Hamilton | | yalue than any other, Thf fact that the and London, and they did not get a grant from eastern portion of the Province desired Government. _ If they were so successfal with-- the continuance of the fair was one out the zrant, why should not the Agricultural | reason why it should not be abolished. _ It was and Arts Association be equally successful | a question whether it would not be desirable to without a grant? If they were to give the re--model the whole systeim of aid to agricultural large mnual grant, he thought the recipients shows, large and small. The feeling was that ! of i\ should report to the House what they did | they had too many shows. . The local -nall | with the money. He thought, however, that | ,"l'"'ws had been productive of but little good. ' the time had come when they ought to discon-- PThe withdrawal of grants might, as in the case tihue the prant. of colleges, be a means of stimulating and | Mr. ROSS thought that the time was come to strengthening these societies. He was not ' consider the advisability of discontinuing the I prepared to vote for abolishing the Provincial grant to the Provincial Association. At one time | Fair. * i 5 the grant was an absolute necessity, but cireum-- | __Mr. BOULTER thought that the passing stances had changed. London, he believed, ' of the motion would strike a blow at a great in-- inaugurated the system of independent fairs, terest. They had not too many shows in _the and these were now much more successful than | east, and he would not advocate the with-- the Provincial. If the grant was withdrawn ' drawal of the grant. I the Provincial Show, so named, would no ! Mr. HMHAY said that one point in fa-- [ longer exist, but the principal cities would all + vour of the Provincial Fair was its Pro-- establish their annual fairs, which would more vincial character, a character none others | than supply the want. By distributing the could assume. _ He could not see why a !sum voted to this Association amongst the representation from the rural districts was not | farmers for the purpose of improving stock-- placed on the boards of the shows at London, breeding, it would work much more good. (iuelph, and Toronto, thus giving them a more Mr. LAIDLAW would not move for the representative character. They should not | abolition of the Provincial Show as & Provincial drop the idea of a Provincial Fair, even were it Show. One of the independent fairs--the held at a greater interval than once a year. It Guelph Fair--was by no means a success. The might, perhaps, be placed permanently in | independent fairs throughout the country, with Poronto or even London. The whole question | few exceptions, were not a success. Me thought of aiding electoral societies should be ap-- | that some good might yet be done by the Pro-- proached with a view of stimulating to a | vincial Fair, but he was forced to nimit that it greater enterprise and strengthening the vari-- | iwa.s not to be looked for under the present ous township societies. | | management. . He would therefore vote for the Mr. FERRES said the people could if they | | withdrawal of the grant. wished amalgamate two or three small shows | i Mr, WOOD said he was glad to see this into one large one. They had nos done this, ' ! question discussed, and to see it discussed so therefore the shows were as the people wished | frankly and fairly. He was certain that when them. 'The main object of the agricultural | members made such statements, they would societies was to educate the people, and it did | not make them without having thoroughly in-- not matter whether the shows were large vestigated the matter. In the past large prizes \ or _ small, they fulfilled _ that _ object. | had been given to induce prominent Americans The Agricultural Association of Brantford had to exhibit. . But that time was past, and Can-- l passed a resolution to the effect that the county ' ada's exhibit at the Centennial had shown that shows should be done away{with, and the grant Y we could now do even more than compete with to them given to the township shows. As re-- 5 | American stock growers. One thing must be garded the Provincial Exhibition, it.wu well | remembered. _ If a cry were once raised against known that wherever the Exhivition was held a sncnetiy. the tp_::l;lu:rr'vre\upt tot takol:ml;pbtlle that immediate vicinity got all the prizes. If ery and repeat it. ie Association had been it was held at Ottawa the tarmers about Ottawa fltnl:l:f\?d:u:llttillr\tt ltli?e ;'t;ji?b::s\.:'er:xl!\)(f:d(:rt 'lxl::ab;)f | got all the prizes, The same was true of To-- istridated. . This was 4 i SeC chnrael ind i)x' (r)milt(i), Hm]".lltm" and L').l.ulo_n. HMe was of the ue shoult be "invesusated. " No dn'fil:t l tey lP n 'o.u that the Pmy x_m-m.l Association no had been somewhat cu:vless.in making returns Ionluu possv'ssc_d .t.he utility iC Nee h:ul._ The but some slight returns had been made, and | Industrial Exhibition was takingits place in the in Tok uioh °/ w & k o estimation of the ptople, and he thought it would from these he would now read certain statisties. be better to give the grant t e other society The state of the Agricultural and Arts Asso-- | He would s(,fi,wr.,il:,eg{t'utl t:)sc:mu Ot'"?l .'(:'mt-" | ciation financiaily was shown by the cash bal-- | as he believed they lid t(;l 1O e tip puowx!, ' ance on hand to their credit as follows:-- | o N Bineo AlICL ; HMG most good. . the 1974 us township societies were done away with, the | 1976 .:.... ... .. $}§?§8| %E;gs';'ggg consequence would be that threc--fourths of the | 1876........... No return ' 1990. ..X C.0....?... Alora farmers would never see an _ agricultural show. 1077.... :. ... .. : >;! 4600 [ 198l Abt Jan :. .. .. 1. 52.000 Some small township societies are very healthy | _ They have had to borrow, however, on their educational institutions, and from every point 'rcal estate to the extent of $5,000, and this of view he was in favour of developing and | mortgage was now standing against them. The strengthening them. | gate receipts in 1874 were $19,000, whic 1 ts | gl"('n to SIIO,OOO in 1880. 'Therefore l:td\lvo}::d 5 K RETURXN®. te seen that in 1874 the Association had over 1i .'{r. HARDY presented a list of revised Pub-- $11,000 to their credit, while now they had (_l;)l'\Ch-m)l text books, also a return respecting failen nearly $5,000 in debt. Seeing that this | Llogm)te I"";'t,ute'?' was the case, it was well to _ con--| Ir. IARDM-_., with the leave of the House, sider _ whether _ the _ Governinent _ would | pre;;»".ted the eighth report of the Committee | be justilied in longer giving the grant, | | on Railways, | The motion was very properly put, and it was | } AFTER RECE 8s,