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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 21 Feb 1881, p. 3

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withdrawal of the grant than the giving of it now did. He did not agree with all that had been said by the mover and seconder of the resolution. One had some-- what ridiculed the study of classics, and the other had been equally severe upon the subject of mathematics. -- He would like to know what a grammar school curriculum would be without classics and mathematics. He would call the attention of the House to the fact that the High School course overlapped the University course by at least one {orm, and he did not see why the first form in the University:might not be gone through with at the Collegiate Insti-- tutes and High Schools. He would be in favour of giving them this power. He was quite willing to adopt any course that would lead to a more equitable distribu-- tion of the grant, but he would most certainly oppose the total withdrawal. _ _ _ _ Mr. MORRIS said he quite concurred in the view of the member for Hawilton, that it would be wrong to do anything that would tend to impair the usefulness of the Collegiate Institutes. The mover of the resolution had stated that the tendency of this grant was to centralize the greater part of it in the larger cities. -- This, he thought, was not the case, and that the Institutes in the country towns pro-- fited equally with those in the cities. He thought the matter should recaive the most earnest consideration of the Government, as it was a very important one. C e L Mr. ROSS said the statements made by the | Minister of EAucation, that he intended to withdraw the grant as soon as possible, pre-- cluded further discussion. He did not in his resolution intend to have arything done that would militate agiinst the usefulness of any of our elucational institations, and as the Government intended to move in the matter he had nothing further to ask. The motion was then withdrawn. PRIXTING OF STATUTES. Mr. CREIGHMTON movel " That it be an In@trsctinn to the Priuting Committee to en« quire and report whether means cannot be devised for having the statutes printed and distributed, aft r the close of each session, with | greater expedit on shan at present." o Mr. FRASEl said the Government were in-- quiring into the matter and would make dis-- tribution at as early a date as possible. The motion was then withdrawn. TOLL GATES. Mr. NAIRN moved for an order of the: House for a return showing the sumber of roads on which tolls are collecte& in each county in the Province, the names of the munic'gnl cor-- porations, joint--stock companies, or in ividuals owning such roads, the date of construction, the capital invested by present owners in con-- struction or purchase, the length of roads, rate per imile charged as tolls, and the gross and net revenues during the years 1878, 1879, and 1880, also the rate ofL dividends paid to the owners during those years, A great deal of injustice was being done by these tolls, and he thought the House could pass such legislation as would be acceptable both to the companies or corpora-- tions owning the road, and also to the people. The motion carried. PUBLIC BILLS AND ORDE RS. Mr. ROBERTSON moved the second read-- ing of a Bill to further amend the Division Courts Act. C N s 4 4 Mr. MOWAT said the Bill was of such & character that it would be impossible for the House to deal with it. The motion was lost. MUNICIPAL DEBENTURES. Mr. GIBSON (Hawmilton) moved the second reading of a Bill respecting municipal deben-- tures. _ He explained that the object of <he Bill was to give increased permanency and standing to municipal debentures. _ It provided that when no proceedings had been instituted against a by--law authorizing an issue of de-- bentures within two years, the debentures should be considered valid, It was not pro-- posed that the provision of this Bill should ex-- tend to any by--laws except such as had been voted upon by the ratepayers. . He thought that tg; law as it at present --stood should be amended. There would be no ex-- pense incurred by the Bill he proposed, and he thought it should receive the support of the CGovernment. . _ .. .. ... . suscl a bus Halssrat CxOv CRRETITETTT Mr. MOWAT said the principle of the Bill was quite correct, but that there might be some difference of opinion as to its provisions for carrying these principles into effect. Mr. MEREDITH said he thought it would be better for the Government to consider the matter durix:{; recess and bring down a Bill next session gahn%thh the matter. It was a matter of considerable importance and oune that should not be hastily dealt with. I1 was of such a impossible for the ' The Bill was read a second time, and referred to the Municipal Committee. | REPORT OF AGRICULTURAL COM--. | : MISSION,. \ _ Mr. HARDY presented the report of the | Agricultural Cominission, |__ Also the Immigration report. | @» Also a return reiative to the minutes of the + Senate of the University of Toronto, [ At six o'clock the Speaker lett the chair. AFTER RECESS, DRAINXAGE ACT. The Bill to amend the Ontario Drainage Act was advanced a stage in Committee. Mr. GIBSON said the Bill had not been hurriedly drawn up, and he did not see any reason for delay. _ veapear Mr. ROSS said there was no doubt the prin-- ciple of the Bill was desirable, but he approved of the sug%lestion of the hon. member for Lon-- don that the Government deal with the matter next session. Mr. GIBSON said that if anything objec-- tionable were found in the Bill while in Com-- mittee, he would have no objection to with-- drawing it then, but he thought it might go to the Committee. ILLICIT SALE OF LIQUOR. The House again went into Committee to consider the Bill to give increased effhciency to the laws against the sale of intoxicating liquor. Mr. GIBSON said that he bad a clause he would like inserted in the Bill, viz., one making the parchaser, as well as the seller, lisble under the Act, when such purchase is made within the prohibited hours. He did not believe in exempting the purchaser, who was as responsible : as the seller for the illegal sale, while they subjected the dealer to a severe penalty. He had no doubt if a penalty was imposed on the purchaser that it would go a long way to stop the illegf;l traffic in liq,l}or. He did not believe that any consider-- able number of persons who now purchased liquor after hours would, if the clause he Fto- posed were passed, 'b(:.foun,d vliolating"the' aw. , nc tren idb ind :A +o dn d Puiainites e un ritsrir P o 5. s k Mr. MO{\'AT believed that such a clause would not conduce to the cause of temperance. They now made the occupant and the seller liable, and if they made the purchaser liable also, how could they secure a conviction if even the purchaser was subjected to penalties? The proposal was a good one in theory, but he believ-- ed not practicable. Mr. GIBSON said if they could only enforce the law : by sending informers to secure a con-- viction, then they should make the penalties sevore enougch to have a deterrent effect. He still believed that great advantage would be obtained by the insertion of the clause. It would, perhaps. interfere with the individuals who went around violatini the law in order that it might be enforced, but if that was the only way of enforcing an observance of the law it was a sad state of things. ud P & Mr. FRASER thought the hon. member for Hamilton was inconsistent. _ As the experience was that under the strict law in cities people would not make complaints ; so if the law was much more stringent how many less complaints would be made? He would ask, also, how many complaints would be made unless by the ageney of a special officer or detective? and how many informations were made outside of the detective agency ? He would recommend to temperance men, instead of making the law more stringent, to deal with the question of © treating," and the result would be a large gain to the eause of tem?erance. v% UIHWIARLIMAIY __!T L. Ai1 nat thint anv. * Mr. MEREDITH said he did not think any-- | thing was to be gained by unnecessary severity ' towards the hotel-keeg;ers ; but he thought that if the amendment of the hon. member for Ham-- ilton was made a part of the law it would tend to do much good. -- The law punished the bur-- glar, and it aiso fmnished the receiver of the stolen goods, and he thought the same measure should be used towards those who drank liquor in contravention of the law. He believed the amendment would meet with the approbation of the hotel--keepers themselves, and Parlia-- ment should assist those people in trying to observe the law. The amendment was lost on a division by a majority of 11. The blank in clause 20 was filled, limiting the strength of wine to 15 per cent. of alcohol. Clause 23 was struck out, and another sub-- stituted. * 'The Committee rose and reported progress, _asking leave to sit again. PUBLIC BILLS. The following Bills were reported in Com-- mittee :---- To amend the Act respecting the inspection of asylums, hospitals, common gaols, and re-- formatories. To amend the Act for the protection of birds To amend the B

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