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"zg"'-\ s """"i'" ~. i y aAs .. No - eW a "'"""~ i . 2 20 t 2 n n > 1 ce Lt 1 oA es . 0h * se {And ""J' P C o e se _1"'»»'\':. s ""'\" k. > o * * uen At.'v;,v'»;:.ifi;" "» ~fi_'3';: 9 s \,,"... hi ave '" W _ '-u_.u._ ks hn & k & w v 3 . 2 7 * Par -- s » es m y / § 7¥ ism ds : € f .:';' > -- « f th m @ « from maintaini county Boards for the > thatr under the present system there wore more » gocm purpose o't)f(ramingthird-cluss certificates. | politicians appointed School Inspectors than a course county boards #Fould continue to super-- ; under the former regime. Hoe believed they | Vheedncatiom\{ matters and the examinations in | were frequently appointed, because of their _ | 3 connection with Model Schools. The third--class , political leanings. He deprecated anything like | work would now be done more satisfactorily by ' perspnalmes;] being all;)wed'to enter m'tg th(-,h d'iri 4 means of the machinery employed for several cussion, as this was a broad question that should | I years in connection with the intermediate exami-- not be de'a.lt wuth' in a({mrt.y spirit. e } nations, 'They would now be able to do away with Mr. CROOKS3 said he was surprxsed at | -- | one--half of the amount now expended in this con-- the statement by (the member for Grey, nection, viz., $6,000, and that 32000 saved to the that the present system was a system of centraliza-- } 5 counties would not entail a larger Provincial ex-- * tion, because the fact was the people never had a penditure than about $2,000. They would now have larger voice in educational matters than they now l s a perfect and uniform system of Depart-- had. Formerly the trustees of a school were | mental _ examinations. It was now _ the hampered by the county authorities, but under the | - duty of the examining body in the Autumn present School Act they had the fullest possible | 8 of each year immediately after the midsummer va-- control of their schools. The County Inspectors ] € cation to prepare explanations and instructions in were under the most complete control of the f reference to the work of preparation, so as to en-- County Council who appointed them, and were § A A able all those preparing for the examinations to l':)spgnanble to them for every act they did. All f know much more speciiically the nature and stan-- the information he had been able to get pointed V M dard required for particular subjects than they rather towards de--centralization than towards + have heretofore. In the past, from the particular j centralization. It was astonishing that a tendency of one or more of the examiners, the in-- man could be found who would advocate | wriml?diaw standard in some suvjects was such as ive '(:lt("'"\'ég i\her]drs"m"'l'" of loc[al msi]geutors.t § I;. E might have been applied to first--class, or even to bere ever was a pernicious system, was tha an examination for bnivemity honours. The exa-- very system ; and he was certain that the great 4 mination was merely required as an inter-- majority of the people would not support the view cVB f * mediate test of the ('u]m\ni!ity of the youth of the hon. member for East Grey. He did not * 4 A to pass from a lower to an upper school, wish to disparage the basis upon which our educa-- 4 and an examiner who went beyond that tional system had been founded, but he held that was usurping the functions entrusted to a great advance had been made by the substitu-- f | him. -- It was now proposed to give the pupils in tion of county for local inspecters. | all the examinations anindication of the standards Mr,. METCALF said the remarks of the hon. | \ aimed at, and of the nature of the questions }'-'t'ii"""i for li-ui*t Grey slzgwcd tlh_at the had yey 4| which would be submitted. Owing to certain ittle knowledge of e subject of_ educa-- 4 | frauds which, to his surprise and regret, had taken tion. _HMe would like to ask the Mml'st.cr g}:ce, the printing of examination pu.pcrsrhml ?f.uhdll('.&llon t1t' tthlu nfiw hluuuuolqal (/omi' i en taken charge of by the Department. _ Their mittce were to take the same active part| High Schools and secondary system of education ;'gr the Dllbll)lcutl(}nu OI'C schof.;lt b(fiol(cls as some | no doubt required a change in many respects. mer meimmbers of the Committee had. k No doubt the curriculum should be made more Mr. CROOKS said no member of the Committee f flexible, as in many cases boys and girls--boys }lfflefi"tefll"l%)llfl{zed flgexg bO(;)R.I It{lb thelll cl;p}fl-ln- 3 especially--were carried into subjects of--less use ed that the books, about which there had been to them, perhaps, than more modern studies, and some discussion in the newspapers, had never eyen | which deprived them of advantages in the higher {\lf('):]fl Sl'i't')lltr'l)l'"fig({on'lhf(\]()/'oqlné'M(;o' tor1 alll.lnp(;-lzlax- subjects ofeducation. A thorough knowledge in regee 4 erc been issued as aids to . English literature should be the principal object S\xfif)&;':e';%d.mtt}l]:'nrs;}ltl(()'tg{)élf}zzrg)cr)?fitgwm ha};l /# aimed at in secondary education. These were T oin oo uthorIty, wi ieir pub-- t matters which he intended to assume the responsi 1"-,('1"08&%(}({1llls,t'l'tl'>\llthn. g t L bility of dealing with, not with the desire of inter-- 4 r-b Tor" 1'1,0' said it was evident that the fering in the slightest degree with the usefulness ;"C'"} e({' l'?l & \'mgswn had not u_nder.srood, if of C(filegmtc Institutes, but rather to encourage l'!' "}f lfllfn'd 'Lo. the remarks madq by j J them on the work they have been so successfully e Ni h an mb the _ member for East Grey, | engaged in. In conclusion he moved the first as neitherof them had advocated going back to | J item of the estimates, the grant to the Public and the old system. The taking away of the examin-- / Se{.mrato Schools, $240,000. (Applause.) a}t;xonitor t(in}rd-c_luss (l-'ernrlc:ups from the County | ' Mr. LAUDER wanted to know how far the oards and having the examination in Toronto, | $ Minister of Education intended to go in regard to ::,lt:u::,;ffiifilll(lmfl;&u ifaltg mxel::fi {:"" thlm;"t. (;1(";} :,Lf | the changes in examinations. 'as a measure t s creating a gre re | Mr. ('I%UUK.\' said the changes would be in the dissatisfaction in the country. He could not see 1 f Board of Examiners. He proposed to appoint a | the ud}'untng;'. of the change, as there would be f p committee whose duties would be to prepare ex-- | !I'(l) gain (;lt' er in 'umformlfs or ch}eapness. y amination papers, and to oversee the different | I]c 'exam_unltjnon's' should be C'Ull(lllbt'ed _ D¥ Boards of Yfixumim-m. This committee would be | 1}1': C 0_"]"t3f h'?fl"'h- b('C:fll}BO they k'no" what composed of men who for ability in educational | the needs of the county were, Another argument matters could not be excelled in the country. | against the change was the anomolous position Mr. LAUDEIR said he hoped the new .S&A('"l | in which it placed the County Boards, as it practi-- . would work well and give more sati=ac-- | cally placed them in the position of policemen, tion than the old system -- did. The old | their duty 'lt)en;g simply to watch that no fraud ji] { system of examinations had given a good was committed. ip 4 4| ; deal fof dissatisfaction, as also had the prices | \Ir (x[lfb()§ said he'h_ud understood that 't.hc if of school books. If the Minister could satisfy the third--class certificates were to be done away with d people that they were not paying an exorbitant | altogether, and that therefore the discussion upon | 8 price for their books he would be doing a good | them was unnecessary. But as regards the status l *H y work. There was getting to be .oo much cen-- ; | of education he was certain that a great advance | 118 lr-uié"\tinn 'in our school system. When this was | | had b"?" made during the past few years. .As to i t not so the school system was more popular. ' | the ;'el-tlnnutc there \\:i'xiq one clause with \\'hx(illl'h(- f ; 'tr IS said it was the working of the could not agree. 1at was the grant to High : \(\[h;h:;tl:((:gits l"l:il;l dl}s::\u:s:'unl-(tion"ululKnut the | ! Schools. He was certain that the feeling of the | Act itself. _ ' | | L'ul\t{lllry was thu,{'lhe High Schools should be more l | 4 'DER said if that was the case the | self--sustaining. lw_\'grzu.m-.d about $40 per pupil to | j k \l'i\lxlli.éul'r'}xt P\'l'nlf"llll.ly'llx .-:ltmlull«l change t'lw working : | lhesle scho?ls& and the l',stnnlatc's showed that the | of the Ac > de need the wveased expendi-- | | }9({1 cost of education was only a! out $5 per capita. [ h ?lt;xsél':ix'n}l(:'xidlt'llutl\l ;:l::; Il(m'l:ltll'n'-qllll;;.'ct kr:-'ull !"()l' it. | This he contended was not fair to the Common i The County School Inspector had too much power | Schools, He thought they were going altogether El The County School Ins | C C C 4 « i viven him., and that also caused a good many com-- | too far in giving so much aid to the High Schools. : 'p;u;'nlls"" M . C s C } | _ Mr. LA UDER sm(ll ]he wmrll(l repeat thu.thlhero ADBOTALINYA cat memtiy »i t ns was more expressed dissatisfaction with the pre-- Mr. CREIGHTON said he would call the atten-- | was m C act vith the tion of the Minister of Education to the price of | T\"'llt( !til(lleOO:lSi\Htf;:!lllsll(l)lltn"llllsr:m\t\a:l (;Lt}lli'xletu(-x'dfig' t | l o 4 ch So 3. : showed a book, | Whether this * was ie f: e | | :);lml\s "(l?. d(l;'y,l.t.l;f.h": ;ll?:'.{lqwh.l!-'h \'llll(t,)l'l;l; l):ll\' c~u':L : Educational Department he cquld not say, h_ut 1t If a('},fi'g'l;:,{;i(". 25¢ 'l'hv'[:v ;lmuld be some system : ;\I'u« A mum-lr that slmnldfcertumly be looked into, L side 20¢. * " C Ina > repeated the charge of centralization. + f regulate the price of school books. e repeated the 1 i f de'\'ullrse((l'l'{'l)(l)fii said it 'w:w his intention to revise | | _ Mr. GIBSOUN thought there was not nearly so nele Yecyact ow ; ailhle ices much cause for disatisfaction as there was under the list of school books and if possibletixthe prices. 3 It was a diilicult subject to deal with, as some | ll-l'w Ulttlil'omln(" § l}e Lhol\,u:hl llul- ho:}. m?imber for T e * bex A y sed as others | East Grey must have been asleep for five or six P * lm; bo;)'? ',':l':?dg;):"t':. .'il,l,ugl!ll,'lf|,:i'l was neces-- | years to make the charges he had made. | ::;.'.l groIore o lI 7 Mr. HAY refert wbtn a letter ""1'1 had hoen'rlead f 4 * % 4 q tazree with y the member for East Grey, and said he had re-- hMrfl ROaSeg:::x\;O:z;E';xteG(}.;tl" li'l'lhxt'le.iatlon to | ceived a similar letter. He thought there was "c:um';.n;(.-,m,',l Inspectors. Ho was quite certain I 'f'"""ifu'{;""'l.f"r t:\edllssuu;-)fuclnlolx)\ expre.aacdt.lhcrp- o hapay l P teathe name of in. e believe iere should be a reduction in ) thu.r the hon. ""'.l,']'b(:i' ';"m;'}-',"" w\("'»:,\'ihi.'t'n-":vi(l)ll- | the number of School Inspectors. _ He wanted a ' ?lf'l"' (I)F["Y""\"'l") ;h"' ',"l'o""t";"l'l f;\tfl}'t:"lll Inspectors | thorough system ;;f lxlxafi)cclluxl, l\bul' he t}iu)u::'ht [ | Cn onep iT fhea h en unar VSLCHH WELd | there was too much needless work done under the : d ""~',"_'A',"'_f"' o cuie nder ","i, ."M 'T}""]',,'(ll',.;-\:)l,f: garb of inspection. He had no objection * | | much inferior in '.".l.'"' to those granted md : To the present system, but he thought | | | present system. 'The higher the stan <.|I1F n\,, | that . Ahere .. was. stust ~as; 1pood. avorikaaiong . | If]('rgnil(n'::'v'fl;}::'.t,lwf;,u.ll',', '.l;:',,l"w,;;:i;"'i '\'r(;.""::,r; w'".: ] undor;l the old system nil umllor the present one. 4 or (ht ~ChO o o mebinrart * thi One thing was certain, under the present system stood high in the '\: ",":'('«' ,,""_l(,"| 'h.'l,| l'l' ,3::,1:: 1' almost every Inspector was appointed on political | The hon. member for '.('rf{' 01 boosks. "'This was & | grounds. This was a most dangerous mode of pro-- ' ;}lum'l 4 :" llh('t pric e of lM _ "".'1 ?';l'l"\:ihii l'.lf(,\»l.".',. | ceeding. and one calculated to do serious injury to complain lt 13 :""\* 7'_"'_" (l"::'. fl'l"; Sub|Bct to deal | the cause of education in the future. He then ex-- | '\tv")lllll' I 3':{10:'!?!:):""1"?' \'u:dl r:'nmvr'iw "were trying | Pli{ilm"(' 1_\"1':\"1'\"" '."tt cox')sn'dc'ruhl;) lcngth.f tral l and teui fally ® rith It. He be-- | _ Mr. CALVIN reiterated the charges of central-- | and _'1" in "'l"l'";""_'";"_" _'."t"' l.'ll\"'ll[lll.P,ltl;flqlYl:)[::"ll | ization, and said that although the Educational | puadreaie Prkop' s !lk'), "iu", o 'i l'(~~ tion of school | Department might know a f;reat deal about the ' (l-)zgu:muon possible in the publica & | }i'mlm"ll)rc {ettluire(l_ in a school, thety knew very A * i 'mst ittle about its business management. \ _ Mr. DEROCHE said he agreed to a great ex-- f (pryeul) e bike rrgh tent with the last speaker. _ He was surprised | _ It being six o'clock, the Committeo rose. ' that any one should say that the oid system 1 AFTER RECESS. | A a es tne "oi a We cre T0cal' supe ','"tn";'f-:l\(t'% The House went into Committee, but immediate-- % Under the 'old system the local superintende t | 1y roge and reported progress, asking leave to sit | | were not :l:l'pmn'c'«! because of m"l".Ml"'c.um""i] | again. | «bility, but because of services rendered in muni-- ore o. eampsre Py f % i Sipal clections. Many of them were clergymon, | PUBLIC STREAMS AND RIVERS. _ | | and although they might be very good men they Mr. PARDEE rose to move the second reading V were not the best men for the position of Educa-- I of a Bill te protect the public interest in streams tional Superintendents. As regarded certificates, ! and r_l\'m's.1 lln doing so he explumu!ll hn}, the =nu ' the standard required for a first--class certifticate was intended to apply to every mile of timber i under the old systom was not as high as that now | limits in the Province, and not to any particular $ required for a third--class, He thought that the | section. When it was considered that the largest ' | price was too high for text--books, and he was glad | item of the revenue, with the exception of the Do-- | to hear that the subject was to receive the atten-- | minion subsidy, came from woods and forests the tion of the Minister of Education, I necessity would be seen of affording every facx'l}l)' | | | Mr. LA UDERK said these complaints were not to lumbermen to get timber to market,. The | | | the complaints of his Riding only, but he had proposed _ legislation was _ neither new -- or | letters from all parts of the country complaining novel, but simply to explain the law as ' of the working of the school laws. He contended it stood. That 'was the position he took,. ts dhte S Fose s _ lnike F i nat . , 7 nok e is 4 . s p a o