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P d <0,. . orcs, » pe e c ) c on sn ba o pt t _ o ie ic o ; c se *" ts Trs> : OqpNr eR N.+ # f, * * # 2~ 3 < "Olfifie to have these improvements owned by a | _ p i d be wrong to make snch x radical "A | jc})\lm stock company, who would have control and illl.rz'l';xgew&!xlthouc someg due notice -- was given. 4y € : thus prevent injustice being done t0o any body. If this was not done it would entail considerable * f ¥* M Mr. MILLEHKR said there must be somebody who | loss upon those grocers who had already taken out «4 \'\;oulldl bhea've con't)rol of th«;)ilinprogeinenlts. or }: i,iolp licenses -- \ )hax mpossible for anybody to CrIvC e Mr. ROSS said that what he asked was only to . td p | }',v as absolutely necessary d!" some personu:Eould extend the power they had already given to ';.he z P a\}'e c'})}'{fi'll)o,f the slides. he object of the Bill License Commissioners. 7 * | i was 'to me tl"E "'"t'} ,"""' Anse and 10 make the Mr. FRASER said that was the very reason they & Amendnt 'f & par '"i'fr Cast+ ?to Any one per. should not make the proposed change. They could ents so as to give eontrol to any d not lay down any hard and fast line as to the num-- P son would defeat the object of the Bill. It woul ber of licenses that should be granted. The best k be much more fair to allow the man who made method was to do u'g they were domgno.w---to leave | :lhg improvements the use of them until he had Such matlers las, .elyvto the discretion of the f ho. | "\'l':'" \T[SL })\F\:?' logs through.ld ue sible Hor License ()olmnissfoners. They --knew exactly i hsn Pn s RR said it wou possl 1 what was wanted for their particalar locali-- ; } Es parties who were aheadl to wait at the dam unti ties, and if they wished roulximudopt the sug-- ds 6 the logs of all Yurties were run down to the slides, pegstion of qeparating' thie sale of Hytior from all f ¥ when they could all be run through to%cther. If ther busingss P 1 y :)he man who had control was behind this woullld Mr. McCLAUGHLIN said he thought the with-- | } E. o (}oue. but if he was ahead, and \\(mh?d mfi y drawal of the clause providing for the punishment 3 [ } could run his l°f~" through and leave the others of grocers selling liquor after the hours prescribed p § y high and dry. It might be better for the Govern-- by law was wrong. Asthe law now stood there \ U A F m%Pt to have control of the slides. hi wias no better place for the manufacture of drunk-- # E. -- Mr. COOK said it would be an unfortunate thing ards than those very groceries. People would go ; $ for the Government if they took the control of the there to drink who would not go into a hotel, and t § slides in their own hands." The better plan would he thought that if the law at present in force was j ' ( be to have all the companies using a stream inCot-- not stringent enough to prevent the sale of li uor f "E ; 6: porated under the Joint Stock Company 3 Act. after hours, more stringent regulations shoul% be ; i l'h\l{s wfi'nél(&ll;-(;'vvnt lml)) injustice to mdnldual?. ¢ emnloved . ,Ei, E. Mr. ASENR said that as in nine cases out 0 C 1 Prampe | L ten the logs all came down the stream together, |if '?llnz;;v('({\hll';olt:\ix??é(r}(itt(;vzf:xflg-eclfs?t mltm?v';%?dhk:: ' k : 4 & ' thenlltiom o niluc xiuse's / oy(, use fihc prcscutt) llhlu | | better if the complainant got lnilf of the fine. | § :'-;I'z ; would not a . In the tenth case it was probable * Aik rafre mar s is " 'yine "o I ' F { a | ll\ntlt;m':;lg;?s{ionl of the nu-.mherlfor .\[usko:;u. l él"l(""lx,-lv(ilh\l'?l(ljlf}lfllt(l'"il;,l\vbh more convictions and less + f * * would adopted--that was, for the men who a whew~ s s $ t were ahead -- to wait for those who were behind, It being six o'clock the Committee rose. | + > | 'l'htore r;e\'vr was a law Dt;.ssed that a mtan lntllghl ' AFTER RECES®. ~ ig not theorize upon and_ point Oout W ere n H1 in (* M s i: u f | injusti¢ce might arise. It was only in a lavll:zhtl;r'lllr?&;cig;:lilnml%o\lll(ly;gmce on the Bill re illicit [: | very _ exceptional case that the _ present Wadbngh gou mo ofi ons oregy war e i 6+ : t Bill would apply, and in that exceptional THKE 'TORONTO EXHIBITION. i B k case the present Bill as it stood would Mr. MORRIS moved that the petition of the To-- | € ' apply. If the Blil was amended as proposed, it ronto Industrial Exhibition Association, praying § would not then meet this exceptional case. Mr. that one or more licenses for the sale of liquor on a ; | McLaren was playing the part of the dog in the the Exhibition grounds during the continuance of > 11 } manger, and it was to mce'.f'ust such cases as his f the Exhibition, be granted, and a clause to that 4 | i 1 that the Bill was introduced. The answer to the effect be inserted in the License Act. i d p l whole thing was that in the actual experience of Mr. GIBSON said he thought the granting of 'LB | l1imbermen the present Bill would operate suc-- these liconses would be an undue discrimination d 1P «5 j | cessfully and advantageously in the rare cases towards other equally large Exhibitions held in 4 * | b where it would apply. other places. If the Toronto Exhibition had the * *# d B 3 ' Mr. .\IKRF'I)!'I'TI said that at present the rivilege granted them, the Provincial and other j | man who made the improvements had control of fnrzt Exhibitions should have the same privilege. & : _ | the stream, but the present Bill proposed to take Mr. MORRIS said he had no objection to extend-- k l i | that control away, and did not give it to anybody inxz the provision so as to incluade other places, ('The l f | | else. reason he had mentioned the Toronto Exhibition § * f | _ Mr. NEELON thought that the Bill was a move was because the petition was from that Associa-- B w \ in the right direction. 'Those engaged in the lum-- tion. Mc thought it would be well if the privilege e w ¥ ber trade had long felt the necessity for some such © | was extended. al_ t 1 legislation, and the Bill would receive his most Mr. YOUNG was opposed to the amendment M J -- ' | hearty su{;purt. At present people might promise | and thought the law should remain as at present, w ab ie -- to pay toll to the person who made 1mprovements, | and that no sale of liquor should be allowed on _ § 3 | but if they could get their logs in the stream Exhibition grounds, l'hepl}blic sentiment of the a PA / + . | ahead of those owned by the person who had country was not in favour of the change. If the e p mado the improvements, there was no other p«ivilege of selling lager was Emma-l to Toronto it ; a 3 4 E. | | course for the latter to pursue but to rush their | could not be refused to other Exhibitions. | | \ < ' | logs through in order to get at his own, | Mr. HARDY spoke in favour of the amendment. E : R t' . | whether the promised toll was paid or not. He It was difficult to get g'ersous to establish fi--st: | & _' it | | was of the opinion, however, that the person who | class eating houses on the ground unless rermitted # F made the improvements should have control of to sell lager and wines. Short licenses had been -- x: . ! the stream, and thought it would be impossible granted, it being claimed that this was legal, and 4 es a for the Government to assume control the result was that wood eating--houses were estab-- * | C s A Mr. CALDWELL said that if one drive was held lished on the ground. He did not fayour extend-- | § P L. nCt at a dam until another came ur the probability | ing the privilege to small shows, but the case was -- 0W j ieA would be that both drives would be stuck, as there | altered when numbers of I)eople attended an ex-- ; 16 3 S /) was much more danger of this with large than | hibition at some distance from hotels and restaur-- P | 1. i §a ' with small drives. Hedid not think that the pro-- | ants. It was only proposed to grant the license to M ' L 9e | poeulto'l' 130 hon. member for London should be % | g::figgrggn':'h(r)lsvr?utl%obee)blouqdirw keep a good ' | entertained. | --house, a 0o sell spirits. | :: * M Mr. MILLER said that if the word " control" | Mr. McLAUGHLIN was opposed to the amend-- \ e 1 was struck out of the Bill it would still leave the | ment. It was not desirable to place temptation in 4 ! s | | practical control in the hands of the men who | fhe way of the young men who gathered at Ex-- M o | | made the improvements, and yet allow others the hibitions. _ 5 nc ff ' |» 8 i s | use of the imorovements. He did not think that | _Mr. LA UDER said the object of the Association : * h j any difficuity would arise. | was to prevent the sale of liquor without,. Last o \ e 0 | Mr. GRAHA M said he thought the hon. leader ' year luwor was sold in every corner of the Exhi-- [ [ | of the Opposition would make a very good *'*log bition Grounds. He was rather in favyour o.t drink-- | | y | roller," but would not make a very good hand at | ing lager beer himself, and he thought it would be f ; | $ | driving logs. He thought there should be somse | better 'Lo grant liconses to af:lldbclcr :lhun have i | . | | ?,ule-xzulard as to how the improvements were to l ?ls"':fnzrcilt'(&'g:'i};otlghén();::n':lilt'te%r E}"théfl%:é\::: 3 | ; . e used. £ wal COLH Nec & ' | Mr. LEES thought that there should be some | trial Exhibition Association would P{\ot_g9 any-- * 5 ; remi;.-tiuns as tul}h(; amount of 'timlu-r put U'nl tl'm | th{fll;z li;tkt[:\d);'gll({l(;wdtll::)(lll;fi:'a;fethltioaigx sll't;g'li'l.(l | L ® small streams. this was not done it would be j N. PAALL TE . 4 & * 2 8 To S SEA Ne ced or prans this io ie | poloacs eeoo en ind ioi rem n it must e NJ | [ r ; r ; and wou o the cause of great loss to the . ge, $ . } Couges® : | person who had improved the streams. | The | extended ltO other Dlt&ws- It woulld l{llaPchmeLg; M 3 f d { | o P Nes ?' | person who made the improvements should have | ;"X'\'o ::'" t»l'?l ;{gah') young people which mig § ' j hi K BP | eontrol of them. The Bill was obscure in its mean-- | ayil result. _ _ 3 I i paa s ing, and if passed would be the cause of endless Mr. ROSS thought it would. be unwise to g':m 2 "% BJ hm s | litigation. There should be provision made as to the petition. If they granted it, whevre were t ely { P | 4 | f o the number of men put on a drive, as very fre-- to draw the line? A Li"_ei!t, many young peopl® | & quently there was not a sufflcient n imber of men congregated at these ox ribitions, and it was throw-- f | . p rith 'c. wh As Ch: ¢ y i e ion i cir way uld be better to | R.: . with a drive, which was the cause of great annoy ig':""; ltllln':'ul':il.lv'\r)l:tls"it"xllt:;' \-'stdo)o'd It wo | | ' 3 .'ff';]: Q,'}u';;'e';'l',',fi',';,tf" Mr. COOK said that there was no dimc'ult%m ' | | , < a After sevoral other clauses had been discussed drawing ""',ll'""'- He "(';'3"'1"'1 the In(lustrgal'. KX« | | M } A-- the Committee rose and reported. hibition in Toronto. and he saw no intoxication | notwithstanding that spirits were sold. He did | ; . LICENSES. not see \\vln&» fine people visiting the Exhifbi{ii?n $ | 6 + PA + j s J | 4 4 1 The Bill to give increased efficiency to the laws ?fl;':}},'i,é':) f}"&}fdyo'ff,,g"f,fop'}gcfvfi&?d ?tv theeY Cld against the illicit sale of intoxicating liquors was wuul-(l ef it at taverns and other pla}:es where « . considered in Committee of the Whole. A series n Worse ififihcnccq d revailed ) of resolutions relative to the distribution of_ tines Mr \HLLEI{'s;id he did not think that there P for the illicit sale of """"" were considered and woere men in the House who would support such a ® -- passed, and ordered to be engrafted into the Bill. proposition as the proposed amendment. _ He was FR + Mr. HARDY said the clause relative to the pun-- hot a very strong temperance man. 'When he & m * A ;*";"l""' "'; "r"':' ut convicted of selling illegally wanted a dvrmk he took it. He did not often want ty # | rad been struck out. it ] 0 | Mr. GIBSON said the country would not be sat-- ts . 4 e * | isfled with the way Government had dealt with yo\ulr\'\flll:}[x}[{)}nd ['Sl:ll:)lll)é)g?cxhen you do want it v : | that matter. | 'The feeling in the (-r)m.nry was that Mr. MILLER said he did not. He thought that ' the law should be enforced, and by putting oif it would be wrong to allow the amendment to be-- I ¢ the manvr_fron.l time to time they would be sure come law. It would be better to try and enforce to cause dissatis{action, If the matter was left in the present law than to give further means for illi-- | abeyance now it would onl{\ crop up again. It off sale of liquor. | would be better to settle the question at once, s Mr. BAX'(llER said there was a growing desire * > 4 | | | That the law was not observed as it at &".'"""' that the consumption of spirits should be decreas-- | | ' stood was a matlter of notoricty.and he held it was ed. and he did not favour opening another door | i | : ' ;uvl('sls to have a liconse law if it was not en-- for the perpetuation of the habit. The cxperiehnce | | |I orced. % s C scie o inking went to show \-- \ , | \ir. ROSS said that he thought the only satisfac-- ?lfm)tulrhjt 1102.:l('litil:ll\'lglgu:.ll'l'(:"ggt{lclxgnand lie should | | f tory way out of the difticulty was to separate the oppose the amendment. s ( E sale of liquor from the sale of all other articles x{h'. MORRIS said he thought it was a step in -- F 'j of merchandize. They had tried that plan in his the right direction, because it would be impossible * ' j own town and had found it to work sut_xsfuclonly. to prevent the sale of liquor in or about the Exhi-- ; e This was the only true solution of the difficulty. bition grounds. It Wou\d be better to legalize the Mry. HARDY said he had no objection to adopt Sale &n t0 have it sold ilegally.. But if it was t ; the pluu r«-«-umuu:mh-d by the member for Huron, t.he'\'vlflh of the House he would withdraw his ' : but it would require some time to put such regula-- amendment ) tions in force ; and as this was a Government mea-- l * & | | , _ NOR ' 44 4 a1 4 t i4 Ec hetts i ut c h thi , s % s ie 2.