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W 2 & 7 y it sc c M NT eut, P L 1 1 ET UP > Oe . NDE Sugt .-- c omiate d . ~ . ciy~.. 0t ~% y y n oA e > £ 208. * -- + > yie ts n ue M n ) ons . 1 e M res Piosy ; *4 : PCA +. . xa es s tnerire hi' .. ARike e iess axiRe l 4 Th s 4.0 .. s : . " & We --* S h 1y hss S weso "os l hn d Lt s vald +/ Resl =. mt t * eCKEX * css co iss § tss * * C 1. * K mp t a e io lt Cals . Pnd 6 px® Bs f i 4 Re--ole <ee 2 ce ons n n m ce moee mm ettie o Aaea n nante e in ce mescmrgann enc ) 2+ 7. PM ie t lfio ~ Legislature, and my hon. friend ONT ARIO LE l | | Cb dd . }f }':or&"l}ondon denounced the contention of the hon. | _ __ s . --_-- Commissioner upon that fpoint. Now, there may | _ _ _ _ __.or there may not be a difference of opinion us to | . | Soties inrve iess Somemmmnistirnes ~_ _ _ . whethera sale of this description is one of ordinary | _ -- _ adininistration. My hon, friend says it is not, his | _____ rou RTH PARL' P 5 friends at Ottawa Htly it is, intended to be brought * 28 * AMENT--THIRD SESSION. before Parliament. That was the viow of the late | _ Sandfield Macdonald, the former leader of hon, +4 sommmpererckecia sns seusamusy gentiemen opposite, that we are not at liberty to > regard this in any diiferent light where we saw 2* (By Our Ouwn Reporters.) that unless sales were to take place without wait-- ing, for examgle, for this session of Parhameat, weveetetiniirestste rommqermpreeom there would be yery great loss to the treasury, (Cheers.) Another matter has beon referred to in Frivay, Jan. 27. ;lm debate by the leadcriof the Orl)posmon.in which The c 1 c ie said that we are taking -- pointments 0--me y ESpeaker took the chair at 35 o'clock. in other hands, and that \~ _ are centralizing ) .0 PETITIOXNS. patronage in our own is,. Now, that is a "oke 3 s s remark that is frequent! made by Opposition | . he following petitions were presented :---- sl)eakcrs in this House, anu is repeated in resolu-- o _ _ _ By Mr. Metcalio--Of John MeMahon_et «?., of tions passed by Conservailive conventions, and yet Kingston. praying that the Bill to closeEarl--street sey all know that there is just one class of oflicers J ying io closeEarl--stre . o in the city of Kingston may not pas«. atinerly appointed by local bodies of which we By Mr. Wood--The petition of the trustces of the ave assumed the {'):urunu;:c. I refer to the Methodist Episcopal Church at Orangeviile, pray-- 1\ sense inspectors. We were urged to this course ing that an Act may pass to enable them to sell by rcmiun after potition.memorial after memurial, certain lands. both h{' the friends of temperance and the lice ised By --\Mr. Chishoim----Of the County Council of victuallers, not only by onr own friends but b; the Peel, respecting certain urotective clauses in the friends of hon,. gentiemen, opposite, | (Cheors.) Act of last session relating to the Toronto. Groy, There was a consensus of opinion upon that point. and Bruce 'Railway Company and to conficm a For a time we hesitated to assume the duty th« certain agreemont with the Grand Trunk Railway pressed npon us, but when we found, that the Company. general conseusus o the opinion of Ontario ac-- y Mr. Lander--Of the Township Council of | corded with that view wefelt that there was no Artemesia to the same effect. | course but one open to us--that it was a duty we By Mr. Cascaden--Of David Moore et al., of | could not shrink from, that we were bound to | South Dorchester, praying that the Bill to incor-- | accent that patronage, and the people have porate the London and Port Burwell Company | thoroughly acquiesced in it, I do not remember may not pass. t that wo have had a single petition asking us to > By Mr, Nairn--Of GabrielG. Murphy e/ a/.; also, | change our policy on that noint, and I am per-- | of Joseph E. Norman et a/., all of Malahide, pray-- | fectly sure that the great. bulk of onr county, | ing that an Act may pass to incorporate the Lon-- | township, village,. town, and city councils are ner-- don and Port i:ur\\'clht;\ilrtmd. fectly willing that we should retain that power in \By Mr. Near--Of the Welland Agricultural So-- our hands. It is under these circumstances that | | ciety, praying for a continuance of the yearly it is in the interest Of temperance. order, and j grant to the Agricaltural and Arts Association; wood government that we found it necessury aiso, of the County Gouncil of Welland, praying to take that bit of patronage into our own hands, for certain amendments to the Jury Act. 1 would be perfectly willing to rest the whole By Mr. Nairm--Of Asa Miller «/ «.. of Rigin. claim of this Government upon that single cir-- prajyinz for a certain amendment to the Act re-- cumstance before the clectors of this country-- vulating the law of evidence; also, of James W. (chsors--and I have no doubt that thre change Rushton e( «/., of St. Thomas, to the same efect. *J u} will ":f"."' """l' .'»';3"01'0= ?tm"'((;buh('m. "'l'herc t:).r(lz s i tie tlag some things which are better done by the centra THE ADDRESS. :{;:thmjhv rather thaun by the local bodics. Bnt, Mr. MOWAT, continuing his speoch on the A ;'.' >-".n aker;, these are subjects which really Addrcss, sa\idl(hcm are a l'iw uddri'lionul points, 4{{'(;!.3»91\{%_\' little the ; thoughts of members on Mr. Speaker, suggested by the observations of my ;l':"','_l'_'k : ,'{ P :h"- l:mf"(", Cn arrarobing hff']';lj ',"-"f"? hon. friend the leader of the Opposition, on which n tt yevern@nin * uneciorne. 1o Rypich. . c ve +s 1 think it right to say a few words, and perhaps a q t e proet EeCs AioNOG auroant that on word or two on observations that have fal-- ferred. 'There is a sirong feeling abroad that on len from other hon. members who urs op-- one of these questions there has Leen n greal de-- C ce o es ® y * parture--a new departure--on this subject on the posed to us, Whilst the two great questions ¢ i The vets sud 'the Dboundary 'imw occupiéd Lmr( of the ;gminlxriuvs\ at Oitawa ; that there has ol im ar t o ecen an eniire change of icy i y;ard to thi g:'lfer nl_ll'xitnf m'}l,t;"\:v"dlo;\ w_gu%g-! t this htdt','";"c' matter ulvh:\n( \" \\'h(iu?l: il:)l;'n';nf)l:xsnmul"t'u"\?i'w'-)ifi'l atters have likewise been broug ofore e 5 finnd in ithHad Em €1, us. One of the most important of these has been o rovend that thare is abauiute Aiscrerion on the the course pursued by this Government with re-- uind 1t t n C e oupne discretion an_ the t ference to the sale of timber limits, and on that io im ol "l-".'. ll,"m""."." y en Roln nagrod O¥ i1oa oint 1 will just ofler an observation or two. We to pass disallowance ubon the Acts passed by ihe lave been assailed with rezard to that course Province. My hon. friend knows that soon after during this debate, but the h-)?mv will remember Confederation !_@m views on lhis_ question were and the cmm"'{ will remember, that this is a very i'"d d""l" 'h'v lb:i.l c he: .}launlnmud. w}*?Ch lllm.;.e | old ground of complaint against us. _ We have o i y ic ie se m ce Put nnev 4o seame that mt | had two elections since we were first assailed on e it ie hitden cS chte wincs." Nag: --_-- this subject, and it will demonstrate to the people nnedlaly. thero is 10 o no n Cl lie exeroisd of this country how faithful we must have been 3'}-",(,'".'"".} T """}" thag ltfvluzo. h".m tf'.'-'"" A ANBOr-- to our public trust, and how free from any ground "'. 10'1';""')1' ;un '.olg"'."" im u'x'.nu,x io wich mias . for criticism we have kept onrselves. when hon. ':i'v; t 'fu.. 11 on mnon Lo on "'." '.)"".r with me , members of the Opposition, in order to aitack us hich Sit_. ic lek cagen his mews nook thig * now, have to go back to something which they which Sir John faid down his views upou this brought up two general elections ago. and on is ivs us fiar mo Just ask how it is tHhst thos®e which the_people pronounced against them views are not now acied upon} How is it that (Cheers.) _ When these matters were fresh. and the l{"' es '|".mf".\ "1{!"' '\a";"mt vl"'. i ochimie h'f' c# sule of 1872 had just oocurred, the people were down to these conditions ? ie is not himself ask-- alive to the importance of the various views urged ed to be released from them,. Has he changed his in recardto it." 'The. matler : Avas die*l;'ssel 'ged | views about that, or has he been overruled by his fully"and with great virulence on bot'hb r;iclc;s 'l:jl:lyi' T ery serion :l" "ur".r \';Cwl'.)f F im "miteir impos: 6 1 * very serious thing for the Province, It is impos-- the people pronounced at the next election against gible to overestimg avity i e & n mrestimate the gravity of this depar-- my hon. friend uJ)(m that point. 'The same matter : ture if Siv John himself{ has changed his was made to do duty at the noxt general election, views on this matter, and if the other view is cor-- with which we had to do, but the attempt, a more rect that his colleagues have overruled him the feoble one than on the tirst occasion, resulted pre-- | result wiil be to change comuletely those consti. icmlelyms it d_".' on the previous occusion, And now, | tutional rules chat we t)mu.:m.' to be bindi'ng. rni ocal %ue.suuns. the only matter which my hon. | How comple:cly the Provinces in regard to that rlc:?c'fls g:t;?n&o or'cu::" t()kls tlu return lol that a-lx- | m;mer'uru at the merey of the authorities of the attack, congratulate the : ay ! itst® wo were ievi a fiouse un!?l my colleagues and th.-kcoumry th:: j :ll::g qn:n'-f'x':nl:l:f- of u-x\-';.'( i'r';x;}::.x}tlgr'\(";;":-ixl\tfi'i:les";fi)'l(l::i wiell';rt;c:} a°'35"5 to utm'ke that statement, and I | --_-- guidance wo find that those principles have no qvbtign. | The x';oli?:;' '::'oh':xy';)g'fp;;l:}r:ic;:langé (l)ng | l weight \'.'im:(-.(ver.l Sir John was nat consideriny * l h ® & y 8t' a matters for the first time when laying down | :'hl.cfil m?til'é:';"":;';':';gg }l)gn?zs.be '{"l.;"l]';75h° fiol':cy | these rules, Ho had been many yer ts in im';'lir-'life. { been the policy of this country for a quart 1'as | and his ability was recognized. He said in laying century. and what is more, it is the Dl%ficnte;cfiicn' | down those rules :--In deciding whether any Acts | of the friends of the hon. gentleman opposite Ts o(flthe Provincial Legislatures should be disalio . | Ottawa, only without those safeguards which we Y -- sanctioned. the Government must not | enjoy. and with results entirely different from rav ,v. '.'0'"':'!"" whothor they arse affecting the | those we are able to exhibit to the country. The ' lnlO'lC.s.l,.-l of the 'll)n)ul'n\mn or n0t, but also whether suthorities ut Ottawsn do not bring these matters l{m) are gll)zrimmlu.:mnu.l.uml whether they exceed | before Parliament, and the sales which they effect ak u"\l']}v:"m of the Lneal Legisiatire. atidli' | are certainly very different in their results from o Rethiae 12-- the Jurdisdietion is concurrent the sales® effecied by us. It is well known whethor )xL clashes "\\"N.'l the iegislation of the that the sule of 1872 was the once which Goeneral Paviiament." 'These were the principles surprised all those who had to do with the mat-- laid down, and there was in them no suggestion ' ter. The sagacious Commmi: t w even wiatch would justify the disallowance of a nissioner who then bad 'ro; 1 f 1 ; the Department of Crown Lands, selected l'lo.tmcml Act unless it cams under the condi-- his time for that sale so wisely, that not | tions nere laid down,. (Cheers.) Uniess the Act only were | larger &iccs secured than had | atected the interests3 of the whole Doimninion, ever been brought before for similar limits whou no one could object to its disallowanes, or but largor. prices than anybody anticimuod: em? whvore in \\'.m'lc or in part it had gone beyond whether in the trade or not. The present Com-- she power of ie V rovinte 19 a1%---- missioner has shown himself just as sagacious as , Mr, MEREDiITHH--NOo, no unless unconstita-- his predecessor. _ He chose the best possible time | | tional. for the sale which took placea few weeks nzn. | _ Mr, MOWAT asked if his hon. friend meant to : and the result has surprised those in the trade and ; gsay that in using the terim " constitutional " Siz 9,'~hers. even more than the first sale had done. | John Macdonaid had not reference to the 3. N. A There is not the shadow of pretence that the bost I Act. -- What did "constitumonal" moan when period was not chosen for each of those sales, or used without reference to the B. N. A. Act | :gut thbel_re::l:shus uo'tr;ncvn mt{st advantageous to ' ?,ml without reference to the disallowance of i e public treasury. 1ese sales are nc@o>sgary in rovincial Acts? He did not know. i the interest of seitlement and in the interest of lshuuld be with reference to disailu\v:x.n(:':,!)i';:"'lIaitE, fivenuo.o:n;lvll;:{?;nm ulw?ysposflblo totell(lui'iug | ?u.ma reasons which ths Imperial Patvliament e sessi er or not we will reqmire to place | have, according to moder ructice, been i limits in the market before the ncx:'slessinnl. 8 habit of di--gslowi: o ourrAon.. y i tA Ehew 0 gllowing on Acts. They all knew much depends upon the market and upon many that the contrary rule ounce prevailed when Down-- other considerations which may take place in the inu--streot interlered . on the same l"'i'"t iole as meuntime, as has been held was the case here,. governed Mr. Mosseaur in (h-.-.lim:'wi'lh the si l"!""t;h' My hon. friend, the Commissioner of Crown Act--considering whetheor the Act w L';;L (:nui':mc Lands, has spoken on the subject, and he ora bad ono--but that time has passed away, aud cited observations made by | Mr. [ Todd in for years the Home Government has adimiited his book with roeard to tho -- improprie-- that we are enti & rument has admiited of ordinnry r p ow I utitled in this country to form our ty _ rdinary administration being brought Cl Judgment as to what is good or bad in our Mpot oetst wi rest, i n 4 £ ; Interest, and they have not iaterfered with > n