The Ontario Scrapbook Hansard

Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 9 Mar 1882, p. 3

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6 24 ; fl'"."';#" 4 v P44 .: '."'-'.' + . %7 9 4 '- ,:v',_l wl * 4; * * e * R & _1 * . * 2 s y §¥ ¥ them with its laywws. Such a course would be fatal respective Govern y to Ontario, lil::ru under no apprehension if they unanimous a ward r:\)gnttg.l :rtgli:r;'::g' ':g'e' godvetr!:: t ¥ | determined to assume the full fiovornmont of that ment of Canada has hitherto failed to recognize $~ all territory, which was theirs and which had been the validity of the award." The hon. gentieman M ... awarded them, and which everybody believred be-- says now it has no validity. He said then it had --/ * w { longed to them. 'Their course was plain. 'They and he voted he was sorry that such validity was $ . 3 1 '. did not propose any but constitutional ~methods not recognized by the Government at Ottawa 8 i for the purpose of enforcing their rights in the (Cheers.) 'The resolution further regretted that no $ ~0 T ' territory, 'The Government proposed that the legisiation had been submitted to Parliament con-- s \A $ ' House should sanction their course. 'They had de-- firming the award. Did he still regret that the * k * | clared in the resolutions that collision with the Governiment of Canada had not submitted a E S t Dominion authorities was to be avoided measure ratifying the award ? On the contrar ® * +4 and consistently with that they proposed to do ' his lfeeches in tfio country and his resolutions iy;{ . everything in their power for the purpose of giving the House exhibited a desire to justify the action f the sopulauon of that territory the benefit of laws, of the Dominion authorities in not only refusing to f. the due administration of justice, and the preser-- ratify the award, but in introducing legislation to d vation of peace und order. The Government did nullify the award. (Cheers.) His hon. friend said A .not believe that n&ythlng so objectionable would now that the Legislature ought to take | $ »e done by the Federal authorities notwithstand-- ' steps to abandon Sle award, and to de-- 3 | ing the many ovllg they had inflicted upon them in clare they were all wrong in the past. What the past, as to add to and intensify these and in-- | did the hon. gentleman say on that subject in flict further wrong by offering forcible resistance ; previous sessions, when he knew as much about to the laws or officers of this Province, such laws the matter as he did now : He voted for another being the only ones in force there. 'If they did resolution, which declared tha;, "Neyertheless in E offer resistance then the responsibility was with | the opinion of this House, it is the duty of the ' k them and the people would themsel¥es be called Government to take such steps as may be neces-- upon to decide in the matier at issue,. (Cheers.) sary for the due administration of justice in the He ce -- aded by moving the resolutions. northerly and westerly part of Ontario." (Cheers.) i _ Mr. ai ;R "DITH was astonished ut the %oamon It was their duty, then, although the award was of hoslit. towards the Dominion authorities not ratified, or no disposal of L%o matter made at assume4 by ho Government. 'They had sought to Ottawa, to Kroceed to administer justice in this make @© appear that the Dominion Government territory. The resolution voted for by the hon. : was » -- x in a hostile manner to the interests of gentleman und| his followers proceeded further to E . Onatar~. ind that they on that side of the House say :--"And this House believes it of the JB were <ong in a manner disloyal to Ontario, It highest importance)} to the interests® of this Pro-- }v > was ; 005 question that no power short of Im-- vince, and the securing the peace and good order _ 8 peria' ~, ald take away any territory from Ontario of the southerly and westerly parts of Ontario as * R | witho.',the assent of the Ls'?xslature of Ontario. determined and; leclared by the award of the | |\ He proceeded to review briefly the history of the arbitrators appo..ted by the concurrent agree-- N ' . z 6 | case, quoting the statutes of Ontario to prove that ment of both Governments, that the award should 9 | it was expressly declared the award should be be firtaly maintained." What were they to main-- w f | subjers to the ratitication of the Parliament of tain unless it was the jurisdiction over the territory } | Canada and the Legisiature of Ontario, and this 'in (Huest,ion t The hon. gentleman voted for that l | was fully understood by all parties concerned. resolution, and assumed that position--& reluctant { | The Atiorney--General had himself admitted that position, he admitted,' yet he did vote, and there l he he . requested Mr. Mackenzio when in it wus in black and 'white, that he who runs | power, to .pass an . Act in advance _ of might read, and see who were there to t the finding of the arbitrators, ratifying that defend the interests of Ontario and who P & decision, and Mr. Mackenzie refused to do so, Mr. were there to act as traitors to Ontario, (Cheers.) -- Mackenzie, with his accustomed Prudence, had re-- What further did the hon. gentlieman vote for? served to the Parliament the right to re.)hoot. the " That this House wiii at all times give a cordial award for cause. Hon. gentlomen were c lfflnl I support to 'he just claims and rights of this Pro-- d ' the whole peonle of Canada with a breach of faith | vince, and to all necessary and proper measures s unparalleled in the history of civiliged countries. | to enforce such just claims nud rights and to i $ He characterized such a charge as a slander sustain the award of the arbitrators by which the upon the Parliament of tho people which the | northorly a :' westerly boundaries of Ontario were { C ple wonld repudiate. glo reirened that thol determinea. _ 'The hon.gentieman was prepared d 9@ -- + mminlon Parliament wi 1d its assent to the: to cast his record to the winds and say, " I put i3 j j ratification of the award, but he at the same time myself on récord, z'et I did not mean it ; I do not . Y P «& admitted their right and competence to want the people of Ontario to believe I voted right Te . | do _ so. The award bad become a nullity on these resolutions, but here are resolutions 1 " $ by reason of the withholding of this consent. will now _ pledge myself _ to--I will jus-- ; 3 &" lfe asked whether the Government intended to tify the action of the Dominion Govern-- f 3 take forcible possession of that territory, and take ment. As yet the Dominion Government j *a ? a course which was most likely to create hard | ; had done nothing to indicate their intention in the 1 o --| feeling, and possibly blovdshed. If they meant | matter, and the hon. gentleman was again asked 14 & that Lgey were going to take that course they to put himself on record as leader of the Opposi-- ~ ¥ should say so, and go to the people on it. It was tion, and he and his followers without exception J | $ the clear duty of the (Government to assent to a voted for the following resolution :--*" That this & reference to the Privy Council. Ho charged that House decply regrets that, notwithstanding the y $ the Government took its position for the purpose unqxl'ilnuus award of the 13th August, 1878, no F -- of making the question a staiking horse for t'leir legisiation has been submitted by the Government TR 4 friends at Ottawa during the next gencral of the Dominion to the Parliament of Canada for i election. 'There was -- nothing to justify the the purpose of confirming the award, nor has the A# hi Attorney--General in the position which he validity of the award yet been recognized by the f m i had taken in his correspondence with the Dominion Government." Why dxg the hon. gentle-- ; f Dominion Government. 'The proposals of the man yote to have the Dominion Government cen-- j . 6 ® Dominion Government were not so monstrous as sured if he thought there was no validity in the f F to warrant the position therein taken. He charged award, and that these distinguished arbitrators i the Government with stirring up strife among the had merely met for amusement's sake, and if he ( members of the Domimon for the purpose of gain-- thought the award a mere figment of the imagi-- . . . ing a party advantaze. 'The position of the Op-- nation ? The hon. gentlieman voted yea to another position was that the award o} the arbitrators was resolution declaring the territory in question to be d ajust ome.a'?hey were in favour of maintaining the part and parcel of Ontario. f - l;'ighla'of gn(ul'i() :lw ldcllm-d h_vl the Hrnishh .\'or{h Mr. MEREDITH--Hear, hear. : merica Act. and they agraed to assert them by SE s a s § 1 all constitutional means. Ilc' was sn}isfled h l?nat as f}::rf;gi\:?;gt 'k?el?)ré:)lgselt'lot';;atgif:'?l?;né?ri:gl"g A the reference to the Privy Council would result which he says belonys to Ontario, Manitoba shall + favourably to the claims of Ontario. HMe concluded some in and 'admin!u'mor the clainms. They were by moving & series of _ruqolu(mns fur:lnula.lmg the asked by the hon. gentlemen, for fear they might j views expressed above at great length. _ s rouse Sechondl feslings, or of dninfi something t a Mr. FRASERt, on rising, was greeted with loud detrimental to the interests of the Dominion, to j cheers. He fancied, he said, that the House would say that Manitobha shall come in and take posses-- w ' I & | have no difficuity in disposing of those resolutions. sion of 39,000 square miles of territory belonging # i 7 But after the position assumed by hon. gentle: to Ontario, to do with it as she pleases 8 men opposite during the present session, he would and to preserve order in it if she can. o not at all be surprised to see them voting a want Not only that, but that meanwhile the Dominion, | y of confidence in a Government which was insist-- as representing Manitoba in this matter, shall deal b . ] Hi ing upon the rights of the Province. It occurred with our rights and deprive Ontario of her mines | to him that in a House where the Government as well as of her timber and forests in that part of | f was sustained by so large a majority of the peo-- the Province ; and the hon. gentleman told theimm it -- ple's representatives, such a motion could only , was all right, and they ought to wait for a decision - f meet with contempt and indignant rejection, He from the Imperial Privy Council. The hon. gentle-- p* congratulated the hon. gentieman on being able man voted still further for another resolution-- f * to embody hisspeech in his long resolutions and that was prior to the Convention which assembled ® V get them printed in the journals of the House at | in Toronto--declaring that it was the duty of the 3 the public expense. (Laughter.) But he could | Government to assert the just rights of Ontario in 3 $ .. not congratulate him on his ability or honesty in | the northerly and westerly portions of the Pro-- _ discussing the question before the House. yvince, as determined by the award. So that the $ & The hon. gentlieman had given as one reason | hon.gentleman had placed himself upon record, and ¥ for his propositions that the award was nugatory | he could not escape. and it would be for the people 4 from the start and entirely void because it had | to say whether his first or his last assertions wore I & not received the ratifidation of Purliament. The | most honest and proper. He so far agreed with E hon. gentleman must have known that, if he knew | the hon. gentleman, that as a strict matter of law ¥1 it at all, last session and the session before, yet | the Dominion Government had no right to inter-- & what did they find him and all his followers voting fere with ths boundaries of Ontario without ;' for? So long as the Dominion Government had Ontario's consent, and it was well for Ontario ht left the ratification or rejection of the award an that it was so. If the Domimon could take our open question, as it were, the hon. gentleman had | territory against our wishes they might have ¢ j voted in decisive terms. Had he said then that | §iven up the contest long since as a fruitless one. | f P w & Ontario should give up its case? No; he was | Tie thought he could ugpoal to the record at | , t tound voting in exactly the opposite direction. Ottawa to show that the Federal authorities had +8 The award was mado between the sessions of 1878 determined to establish the westerly line of On-- | FEs and 1879, and the Mackenzie Government went out tario east of Prince Arthur's Landinr although & of power very shortly atterward. Now,the want of they had not the legal right to do so. lie declared 3 }' a'ratification of the award was as much a matter that the Dominion Government had done every-- f % of fact then as now, yet his hon, friend thing within their power to make it m?)ossl- C did not see his way the first subsequent session bie for us to fet any territory west of the 4 i of that House, any more than they did at line they alleged was the westerly boundary p ; Ottawa, to reject and repudiate this award. He of Ontario. Me believed from the very outset this P would relnintflthe House of the terms of the reso-- whole matter had been a settled and determined f 'I lutions the hon. gentleman had voted for. After plan to degrade the Province of Ontario to the + [ reciting the cireumstances of the cases the first re-- position of a third--rate Province. (Cheers), The [ . solution went on to say :--*'*This House regrets"-- award ought to be ratitied by the assent of Parlia-- y 4 the hon. gentleman did not regret it now. ment in good t!n.ith m"l('ll b{ every ll{mml p;lifictlt':;i P verning nations. ie hon. gentleman s } t NMr-- MEREPIT"-.OII' eR '. figcauso tsxero was no prior legislation_at Ottawa . . Mr. FRASER--It is a curious way to express conflming the award, the Dominion Parliament § / regret then, to get up and attempt to justify everr- \verojusfifled in rejecting it after it was made,and t thing that has been done at Ottawa. He would he cited 'the action of the Reform party on the \ continue:--*"That this House regrets that not with-- Pacific Railway contract in support. 'The hon. standing the joint and concurrent action of the member was unfortunate in his reference. During 5 1: [ oanl; j ' s O LO..G.ocommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmemmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmnaacs 2000

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