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Dealing with Provincial rights, he stated that the longzer he lived the more he was convinced that for the best development of the Pro-- vinces, resources the largest power and freedom must be conceded to the Legislatures that the l Constitution will bear, and he was the more con-- vinced that if ever they were to reach that desir-- able height it must be from the struggles of the Inberal party, for they found no protest from the gentlemen opposite wuen the rights of the Pro-- | vince were iniringed on. 'The battle had got to be fought, and fought by the Liberal party, Now the judgment of the Privy Council in the case of Mouge v. The Queen hw.r been a rude shock to the Opposition as to the rights of the Province. Hon. gentleomen opposite had taken the ground that our rights are very limited--that wo simpiy had dolegated powers and thoss notlarge. laud, of which Ontario had obtained fuall control, and as to Rat Portage the people there were mainly from Manitobs, and though he believed they preferred Ontario control, still it was not so wrong and inexpedient to have joint control there as it wouid have been to have it in P. A. Landing, where the people were nearly all from the Province of Ontario, Practically the ques-- tion had been submitted upon the same terms for which the CGovernment had offered to rofer it years ago. _ (Wear, heas, and cheers.) It was difficult to understand the hostility displayed by hon, gentlemen opposite to their own Province, but ho believed the true solution to be that they imagined the Government were making politi= cal _ capital out _ of . the _ question _ of possession, and rather than see this they were ready to abardon Award, territory, and every-- thing e se. (Mear, hear.) If Ontario had given up or had had to go out of possession, she would not have got a settlement of the question until at any rate the territory had been denuded of its timber, one 'of its most valuable resources, (Hear, hear.) Me dealt with the statement of the Qpposition leader that the course of the Gov-- etnment had been calcalated to stir up strife and to create a bad feeling between the Provinces and the Dominion. Owinz to the fact that they were a people of different nationalities and creeds, that gentleman took the ground that nothing should be done to stir up str.fe ; or, in other words, this Province should not stard up manfully for its rights and territory. e (Mr. Pardee) had no sympithy with such carpet-- kmight politics They cou d only build up & nation out of the various Provinces by doing jus-- tico to ail. (Mear, hoar.) The question hnad been raised as to the point out when such a statement was made. Mr, PARDEE--*hoe statement had been made frequently,. _ He had heard it outside the House raised vory frequently that our powers were very lunited, and we had not the power to delegate those powers,. Now, the judgment of tue Privy Council on that subject was, as he had said, a rude shock to hon, ventlemen opposite who made that contention. The judgment of the Privy Council sets forth :-- in the disputed territory, and it bhad been said that the reforence to the Privy Council was not such as to bring about a decision of this point. He did not think there was any serious doubt upon this question,. There was no doubt that the land belonged to the Province of Ontario, subject imssihl_v to any money consideration that the Jomimon Government might have on account ot having extinguished the Indian claim. if they could get the bounadary settied, that would settie the qusstion of the titie to the land, _ Mr. MEREDITH --'The Attorney--General TT CSA m aneeane ~Neals s ol Sn Mr. PARDEK--As a technical matter of law it would not, but the Attorney--General had no doubt the title to the land was in the Province, and he (Mr. Pardee) challenged his hon. friend, the leader of the Opposition or the gentleman who sat beside him to say there would be any doubt on this point if they could only get the _ boundary _ settled. An effort wounid be mado to get the consent of -- the -- Dominion Government _ to submit this question to the Privy Council in order that it might be decided ut the same time as the question of boundary. (Hear, hear.) 'The Op-- position would have another opportunity of ex-- hibiting their loyalty to OUntario or the reverse in this matter. Me ventured to predict that if legislative action were necessary in relation either to the reference to the Privy Council or to the further question of the steps proposed to be taken in conjunction with the Domimnion Governiment, the Opposition would move an amendment coudemning the course of the Government. In dismissing this subject he would only say that if by any chance or muischance Ontario should lose the territory or any part of it,the blame would rest upon the shoulders of the leader of the Opposi-- tion more than upon those of any other man in this House. (Choers.) Mr, MEREDITH--Would the hon, gentleman TITLE TO THE LAND PROVINCIAL RIGHTS. uri® a thing as a responsible . Governtcenys there was no room for such a right,. Every judgment of the Privy Council upon the ques-- tion and every writer on constitutional law agree that our powers are precisely the same as the Downinion Parliament or the Imperial Parlia-- ment on matters within our exclusive jurisdic-- tion. -- He would carry out the supposition of the hon. gentleman on the question to its logical conciusion, _ Suppose such legislation as the preventing of lRoman Catholics holding land was passed by the Dominion Parliament what | would _ take place ? _ The Governor--General | would take upon himself to withholid his assent to the bill, the Ministers would be obliged to re-- l sign, and the psople would have to settle the matter when they were appealed to. That would be the obvious duty of the Lieut.--Gover-- ! nor also on a like contingency in this House, be-- | cause he is placed precisely in the same position with respect to the Provincial Governmeat as the | Governor--General is to the Domiaion Govern-- ; ment. -- His duty then wou'ld be to withbhoid his assent, and the people wouid have the right and opportunity of judgiung between the men. P 6 / t sc * Ti a B s t css dccas, ds MB iss A 410 92ud section of the B. N. A. Act stated --them. x}lthougl_l there might be some little difliculty to lind out just what particular subjects come un 4. quqil _ _ 10 0.3 CV CTAW Say tHal i4 was necessary to detine exactly the subjects upon which the Province had jurisdiction. These were now da-- ffned as clearly as it was dossible to do. The 92nd section of the B. N. A. Act stated --them. f:\",'hollgl.l there might be some little difliculty to lt 0 Sreiatolftntstafiicd 0 4d c -- WlRA cA t L 1 t c td 5 He inad heard some one say that it was to detine exactly the subjects upon : Province had jurisdiAtioan -- '"Phal. ... Mr. PARDEE said it had just this to do with it, that he was trying to point out that without the veto power tuey had a remedy tor improper legislation. -- For the Dominion Parliament there was a remedy, in the Imperial Parliament there was a remedy, and here there was a remedy, and j to the people of Ontario we must iook to right Ontario's wroungs. (Cheers, loud and prolonged.j ; He bad shown that the hon. contiecman had sup-- posed an extreme case, but he would take an-- other supposition, -- Suppose the Roman Cathoies in this Province had not the right to hold lands, and we passed a measure giving . theimm the right, would the Dominion (Fvern-- ment _ have <the right to veto such ' an Act? If his hon. friend hela that the Do-- mimon Government wouid have such a right, he would like him to confess it right here. (Cheers.) He would use his hon,. triend's extreme iHustra-- tion in another way. _ There had been a number of petitions propusing to limit the number of county counciliors to twelve ; supposing that bill were passed by the maujority, opposed by the narrow minority, just ou the eve of an election, under great excitement, when political feeling ran high upon it. 'The Opposition might oppose it because they thought it was wrong or because they wanted to make political capital out of it. Me supposed, according to the contention of the &)puosxtion, that there woulid be danger of the | th Mr, MEREDITH --Has that anything to do with the veto power ? 1 1tD po The disallowance of Acts r -- political -- eifect, and largely political. 1t had : who desired the good, the Province that we ts, 1t was not very 'rovince--we have only or sixtean years--and the Cpposituon to join g out on a right basis.