The Ontario Scrapbook Hansard

Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 5 Feb 1884, p. 4

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tory to the extent of 100,000 squa.e miles--then they mightfalk about our uttacks on the Dominion, Wny ali these talks about attacks on the Do-- minion and where are our foes? We have taken every railway the Do:ninion has constructed since; J we have absorbed all their powers of legislation ; ; vetoed their bills, and that is the manner We hive treated them do they say * and then they talk as if we had uttacke({ the --Dominmion. . Where aro the aggressors * While the hon. member for London talked about attacking the )ominion, and talks about partisimnship because we have supported our rights, Sir John might do all he pleased without question, Ho claimed that the decision in the Hodge» case settled two questions--one that Ontario had the right to deal with the license question, and, secondiy, that the Province has exclusive rights, and if they have exclusive right then there could not be two ex-- clusive authorities, and there could not be con-- current authority by the Dominion Government, (Cheers.) Bscause the Government had stood boidly out for their rights, because they would not submit quietly, and because they had used constitutional arguments, the Opposition said they had attack-- ed the Dominion Government. The attack had been levelled against the Provincial Government, (HMear, hear.) The Dominion Government had detied the Province, and they had taken the stand that the Provinc» could not govern its own affairs. _ They uad been compolled to back down in regard to the acts and principles of federa-- tion, and let each Province govern its own local aftairs. -- (Cheers.) _ The Oppesition had said that there had been a great deal of in-- ritation and excitement.. He did not: know that there was any such irritation and excite. ment. There was always a certain amount of excitement at elections and during election time. He heard of no rioy except in Muskoka,. Per-- haps no questions had ever boen submitted to the people of th:s Province, which have been listened to with more interest then these con-- stitutional questions which have been discussed in this Province within the past two years, (Hear. bear.) Tuey had been great educators for the people. -- The doctrine laid down by the gentle-- men opposite was that the Dominion Govera-- ment shoulid make a claim, and the Provincial Government waust nct resist it. (Hear, hear.) The Provincial Government must bring its neck \ to the yoke, and hault down ivs flag. 'The Do mimon (Government would deface the Provincial | Government, but the latter must not resist, They must be silent, and submit. They should | | not assert their rights,. _ 'Tius had been the argo-- | mont of the hon. gentlemen opposite for the past , week. Thney intended to dethrone his hon. | | friend the Attorney--Goneral. _ He had been attacked by hishon. {neud from North Essex, who had spoken for an hour and a rall in a generally patriovic way, telling kis hon, friends how they should move. He was a groat speci-- : men -- of peace. He (Mr. Mardy) hbad l also listened to the soft, meliow words of his hon,. . friend from West Toronto, which put him in" mind of a church reumon. -- (Laughter.) To say. that on the Government side of the House there should be nothing but peace and good--will to all mankind, was ali nonsense. (Applause.) He then referred io the speech of the hon. member for Lenuox. Me was surprised to hear that this hon. -- gentileman _ intended _ to _ follow _ his leader closely. He (Mr. Roe) had start-- ed out by telling the House what he believed regarding the gerrymander bill, and after he had spoken about the boundary Award, he took up the question of the Streams Bili. HMe said :--"I wish there was no treating." e (Mr. Hardy) said that, after what had been disciosed at the election trial in Lennox, he was sure his hon. friend wished there was no treating. -- (Laugiiter.) Me (Mr. Roe) had then sard he w.shea there was no bribery. -- His history did not show it. (Hear, hear.) -- Even the cats on the housetops were on the look out for the hon. member for 1Leunox. (Laughter.) The hou. gentlicman had visited the Mississippi to look for the ** veto." (Laughter.) He then struck on the colonization roads. He had been there and examined a blanket. (Mauchter.) 'This was the tirst solid ground wuich the hon,. gentieman had really struck. (Renewed laughter.) wHERE ISs CONsSERVYATIVE PuRiIty? The hon. gentleman (Mr. Roe) posed as the spokesman of his party, and asserted that the Conservative party was not a party of purity or honesty, and did not pretend to be so. 'Tne Op-- position had chesreq thess statements to the echo, and thus showed that they agreed with the speaker, who ounly took credit for not being a hypocrite in the matter. . He had heard a good many expressions fall frorm Qhe lips of Opposition members with whica he coul¢ not agree, but with those ne comd agree. . Mr,. Roe seeined «o speak like an oracle, but he (Mr. Haray) contended that it was one of the most hummiiating con-- fessions which had ever been made in the House. lHowever, the hon, member for Lennox told the truth, and only gave his party what was due them. 'The records of the trials showed that the statements were true, and that money had bean spent by wholesaie. _ While he spoke from meinory yet he was under the impression that in no constituency hbad it been proved that $100 had been illegaily, to say nothing of corruptly, spent by Reformers. Mr, MEREDITH --What about Muskoka * FROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT ATTACKED. PVEL, 2E RRICC CCC f so dight through H6, oc d y 20 dal ' tt,(:l"): g:::v sittfng with closed doors at Octa.'wa, de-- liperating between Manuing, Shields, & Co. and the people. dealing with Lhm_xufmt.ls of the peo-- ple's -- money, 8ome of -- which IE had been charged had been spent in corru|).'nmq§|ces in Muskoka. -- Why was this made a Star Chamber affair if they were not atraid to nllmx it to be shown that the money had been speni? | In the West Middlesex case it was shown that $6,000 or $7,000 had been spent and only the olltz'skll;t.s of | . the corruption touched ; whule in East Middlesex \ only #156 had been _ spent, and that per-- | fectly openly, and legaily, every cont being \ advertised, and vouchers produced, and yet there had been a great cry, and utatemc::tn;madu that there must have been great corruption to ~hz.we admitted of such a large amount of money being spent. (Laughter and cheers.) As ho had said, | in no case was it proved thy+ 2100 had, been spent | by Reformers ilegally; conirast this with the | state of things on the other side, ;u;d try tol undersiand how the leader of the, Opposition could say there had been no corrupt practices and the' elections carried on purely. 1t was money the Vories fought their battle with, -- Just before the | dissolution of Parliament last session the . Oppo-- | sition looked very kiue, and they did not like this impending dissolution, HMowever certain ghosts began to flit to and fro between the Conservative party at Oitawa and that in this Houso,. All at once the leader of the Opposition seemed to get | | great assurance, and it -- seemed -- that the . | nrcangements were completed, Then -- certaim I hon, gentleman became very merry, for the \ money which was to come from the pockets of the contractors should be sent down, and thys the sinews of war were provided. The leader of the Oppositioa had in spite of this help come back a beaten man, though he talked as if he had gained a glorious victory, and he could not have | tallzed in a strain of greater glorification if he had | come back with not a majority only but a unani-- mous verdict and without an opponent. (Ciheers.) They were in a iminority, however, and they had not dared to take a vote to show their weakness. what did the hon, member for London produce ? A scrap of paper, a single word * That was their charge, -- They had heard of it from the columns of their organ. _ He bolieved it had been stated more vigorously in that paper than his hon,. friend had stated it, especially when they cried, " 1t is out now ; it has all come to light to--day." I The mountain had l:x.buure('.,_gud brought forth a broj es id began to flit to and fro bet party at Oitawa and that at once the leader of the O great assurance, and _ i mouse,. -- (Great laughter.) Mad his hon. friend \the leader of the Oppositrion produced the an-- | swors to these telegrams ? The same thief who ha.d stolen the message, had stolen the answer, if there was an answer. (Loud cheers.) EThese telegrarms were stolen, and not from a private | flice. 'They were stolen, if stolen at all, from the postoflice of the land or the l..-legmph office of the land, and by an operator, (HMear, hear.) The telegram being produced made some person guilty of perjury, and also made some one re-- spousible as well, and showed that he had 'a knowledgo of the fact. (Loud cheers.) ! No person had _ stated that he knew | that Mr. Pattullo did not interest himse!« when | he was in the North-- West on behalf o M r. Lyon. His proceedings were public. They we--s open. l A thousand voices had proclaimed whut ne did so \ | far as he did interfere with the election. Mr. Aubrey White was there in connection with ; timber affairs, He was looking after timber which ! had been taken away by the very men who had STOLEN THE TRLEGRAM ' which the hon. gentleman had produced. (Hear, | hear.) _ Millions of feet of _ lumber _ worth millions of doliars belonging to this Province bad been plundered during the past years by the col-- lengues and allies of the hon. gentloman,. (Loud applause.) The money was put in their pockets, and it was afterwards turned against the hon. meinbers of the Government and us hon. friend from Algoma in his contest. (HMear, hear.) / Thore were Shieids and Mr. Bailey, nephew of the Hon. J. H. Pope, the man who held the wesnay bags for his hon. friend, j :'1!1('1 who went to Ottawa frcquenfl_v. I'nis -- would be brought to light _ some day, Money subscribed came from contractors of the I_)umiuion' Government. There was also f"'"r- Short, a Conservative from Woodstock. 1 he Canadian Pacific Railway had pretended to clum tweaty miles on either side of the railway, -{Ll_lll they allowed the timber to be cut. Mr. ite had been sent un to make enquiries and to see whether it was possible to seize the timber and do what the la w wrould analaihiny tens abe Lw 11 16 1304 Audied Manuing, Shields, & Co. and -- with thousands of the peo-- ne of which it had been spent in corrupt practices in vas this made a Star Chanber T ®s s % would perhaps be

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