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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 4 Mar 1884, p. 2

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f m mae e e s o Loo 1 SS N o o n onl e eC s r o e o e C * o o n en ie e o sn + s boo% ~rat 2 h NO hk / i €9, Lo9 ns td e P e j M A i M AdB this system was followed with the most gratify-- ; y MORE THAN ONE HALF | l ing results. _ The sexes were on the same footing ; F the univorsit'es on the other side permit of co-- | in the Public School, and in the High School, but ; > education, and he thought he might fairly assume | when the University was reachea they found > : P¥ -- to discuss the question with the House pre-- | that one of the sexes was unfairly discriminated ¢: possessed ° in favour of his motion. He referred against. _ 'They wore not only barred from the > * to the petition presented to University College ardinary lectures of the University, but from the s asking permission for ladies to attend the college experimental lectures in science and in the modi-- f $ lectures, and he quoted the names of the many cal department, Young men and young women ¥ § ~ eminent persons who hag signed that petition. were both attempting to reach the same goal, A en h He then quoted from the replies of various emi-- but still the young women were barred by men B e nent educationalists to questions _ 'Bllbu"t"d who liked to speak about -- British fair--play. K i > by Tns GrmoBe as to the advisability of co-- (Hear, hear.) Ladies were uscful as teachers in o f education. The President of Michigan L_""""; ' the Public Schools, but still the doors had not N2 _ sity says the system hias succeeded after a trial of 12 been opened to women in all the Educational In-- * $ > years. Dr. Burns, of Hamilton, says co--educr-- stitutions. _ In the Province of Ontario there P / tion has never once been abandoned wherever it were nearly 1,000 more femaleo than male P has been tried. Is thero stronger evidence to | teachers teaching in the Publiq Schools. The buik : submit to ths House than this fact that where-- of the t,eanéchmg power resteg w»fin the, femaPes, B ~g ever tried it has never been abandoned. Princi-- | still they were descriminated against with refer-- 3 f pal Grant said he was in favour of it and said his evce to higher education. When the Public y9 p | | own experience was with the system. | Dr. School inspectors woere appointed instsad of the N | Nellss speaks in guarded language, but he local superintendents thie standard of teachers, : o favours co--education, and has permitted the certificates was greatly raised. They found that 3 & a system at Victoria University, The l'rosid_em the femaie teachers were ready to con{orm . to the , of Albert University approved of co--education, standard. -- There were 336 High School teachers' f Eo \ whose advantages far more than offset its dis-- in the Province of Ontario, including Colleginte 3 . ad vantages. Separate education is a waste of forces. Institutos, and of that number there were but $ E: Principal Macintyre, of the Brantford Ladies | thirty--one females,. 'This was not a reasonable E go < College, is adverse to ladies uN.':lltllllg the ICL'!.ul'L'H | proportion, More than one--half of the_ Public s F at University College,. Mr, John Miller believes | School teachers were females, and they all decimed ' § . | in co--education except in certain .dopzutments that it was a good thing for the Province. This i 1 o E which, Lke physiology, for obvious reasons being so, why should female teachers not be put [ 1. ~ M should be taught separately. Dr. Carlyle ad-- ! in such a position that they could reach § 4 i . | vises the opening of all our educational institu-- a -- position in _ High _ Schools? It was 7 F P tions to women as well as men,. Principal simply because they had re used to allow the 2 _ = McCabe, of Ottawa, is opposed to co--education, ladies equal fzcilities which they allowed men to ¢ i and even to tlx;e higher education of women go to the University College and equip themseives ,< generally. 1" Burus said it "'U','M be a waste for holding positions as teachers in High Schools. for the Province to duplicate its colleges for His hon. friend trom Hamuliton had given achis-- women, and> the Province \_vould not do it tor tory of co--education in England. -- He (Mr. Har-- & women only. l'r?'s:dent.\\'lnte, of Cornell, says court) gave a history of the movemment in the the general testimony is that none but good United States, and showed the progress which , E* results have followed the system, this opinion womiin had imade in the colleges in that country. * I P | being formed after an experience of co--education It being six o'clock the Speaker left the chair. s for twelve years. Since that time the whole tone After recess, . j . of Cornell has been elevated. This, on the whole, Te House went into Committeo on Private is a strong vAlume of evidence. 'The Faculty of Bills. The following were adopted :-- | University College are not a unit as to co--edu-- BDill respecting the trusts of the will of the late | cation. _ Prof, Young says, under existing cir-- Samuel B. Smith, deceased. i & cumstances, females should be perimitted. t"' Bili to legaiizs and confirm certain municipal | $ | attend lectures at University College, until a by--laws granting aid to the Canada Southern § s | separate institution should be built for them. Railway Company. i §. | He did not think any serious evils wers to be Bill to incorporate the--village of Woodville. ; e apprehended from co--education at U nn.'erentyl Bili to amend the charter of incorporation of * _( § College. -- He would ask if this House is prepared the Ontario Methodist Camp Ground Company. : 3 g to vote two or three bundred thousand dollars for Bill to consoludate the debt of the town of ' F a college for ladies. Me thought not. Univer-- Palmerston. 6. :; f sity Coliege has difficulty enough to maintain l Bill to revive and amend the Act incorporating | e se * its>lf for the education of male students, let | the Port Stanley, Strathroy, & Port Franks M 83 alone the duplication of its advantages for wo-- | Railway Comp:\ny: t oo men. _ Me was in favour of granting the request | DB.11 to authorizo the Corporation of the town of l d 6. of the young ladies who desired to attend the | . istrathroy to purchase certain lands therain for a P | .\ y lectures, Duse order and discipline would bct public cemetery. Y ... observed as much with the presence of ladies as | Bill to enable ths Roman Catholic Episcopal s : o without them. Retiring rooms for lad'es could | Corporation of the diocese of Toronto to sell & to easily be provided, and a separate entrance to the | certain lands, j ie t College. _ Would the stm'irnl's be hostile ? The | Bill respecting the Yorkville Loop Line Rail-- ,"} reverse is the case, 'The 'Varsity, the organ of the | | way Company. # e iss students spoke strongly in favour of co--education. | _ Bill respecting the Gananoque & Rideau Rail-- i. .: z= The only objection that exists is that of the | way Company. # / o faculty of the College, and opinion where is di-- | | F ¥ take. . :.) vided. In conclusion he would say he was not ! sECOND READINGS. Soaik. * wedded to co--education as co--education. * It was 'The following Uills were read a.second time : y va / S in order to avoid a waste of money and resources Bill relating to the munici ality of Neebing is m and to avoid a waste of tesching nower that he ]hli 5 ;uconwm'c the towz: of Port' &rthu:. faot c OuRCT: thought it was expedient for the Province to go Bill fn INCUFDY '-:te the ~Ningara FI;HS \Va.ter- d e -- in for co--education at University Uul:esc. | Works ('Ull)p'llll\'l. NE P App ause,) | i1 resbecting the Lake 8i i § o f .\plr. METCALEFE said the question of co-- | w\lf'lltl'ul::g;(;:;r"v the Lake Simcoe Junction Rail | & --, tyA education which had recerved the sanction of the HEH +. s s -- s o fi great educationists of KEurope shouid commend f}z;:l* t"\""]lm_'g,th,ed'-'f':t tQItr:nsl':)r téne se(?urmfs [ f << k the motion to the members ot the House. He (t.'l (;/ o uig "q a:n"l.t_l.'llc' O aligih OA aboct 4 § :* hoped his hon, friend's motion would© have no |Y43° ,n'nuu'nheu'ux o oo ar vew mr € _ | 63 es > : opposition. lt had hbeen decided that co~ ' PME CO--EDUCATION DEBATE [ m ts {educatiuu was the best manner in which the After recess . ' $ | sexes could be educated. Where boys and girls | Mr. HARCOURT continued bis remiarks in * ~I | K¥ 4 | met together they were more apt to be better {favour of co--education,. 'The United States col-- | . ie# educated than where they were educated sepa-- leges exhibited many points which Ontario might E p -- © rately. He quoted an essay on co--education by adopt. In none of the colleges of the United j h 69X an eminent author to bear out his opimon, He States where co--education had boen adopted had I J e : E m dwelt upon the system ot higher education in | there been any departure from that system, and ' } .\ t xd Enrope, especially in Berne and Vienua. 'The | | this fact alone was sufficient to prove the ex-- | § | late Morace Manu expressed himself strongly on | 'pediency of having University Colege opan to | & M ':'"A. cg-educu?iun. Ho was 'in favour of it. In the {\'«)lxnc::tj Hoe didn't believe that the health of ' t 10« (nges United States co--education had been a great suc-- | women would suffer, and experience proved such | j O%: pat | cess. There was no reason why women should | was the case. In conclusion he hoped this one l j «n o e '\'\"' be "'"f"'"eg] under fl""' "t'['"'l" ";" ;l""h men. | illiberal feature of excluding women from Uni-- P -- o 5 Women were able to c.lnr{"o the highest prizes | versity College would be wiped out by the | s q f es sc in the Colleges in the United States, and he | passage of the hon. gentleman's motion,. {Ap-- | P a h. + gass ecoula ln;:t Tv:e )I;hy :.W"i?"' sho.ul'l "i,t l;o. ad-- | plause.) , | d 1 $s en apdpreaii en s Aighs d o aniintient s e io io on Alradt Mr. GIBSQN (Hur>n) thought he would stand | P / Al . e s 23 (\)v'z;:r:tc;gfierned fiewetverthe IndlGef_his carty | alone with rcferex(\co to t)his qu%st.ion. He woulid 'i l i as08 4 NC " * * 4 M i¢ / : --" 6 MPFHATICOUIT explained that the subject . lime 8. Mo oo euitemn aad e hoi har VP ks -- > :VeflSl;U" 01"1""::3)' &A 't""" one, b'l"'d'?"e of m:jcnliar il"' miy .':"ru:lu ites }ie did not believe that one per | V M ~coe rest. e knew two young ladies, undergradu-- hnd 1 e Wwet 3 e 4 | K tha'ct Hhronts, Unrert v10 womning frommn morin Aadd mt arfo ie [| . oo n oo tu.-m"t ve m'em".y" He would. com-- | this Universiiy under these circumstances, In $ he: I i at* mence by laving down a bro"d'pm':o'mo"' What | this country the sexes were almost equal, and $ m 3: ie o eswcm.lydwnéted es 'ihm l,"m"w M ilk there was not the field for women here as in the t! § :%' * M "l"ellnfw Dg'o'a ba:, :'nf;m:,{) f \'".t.h. ?h? public | old country,. _ Would the University training 6 6 :; pipnandt nar ',"', "j.'} ,,f,w.""mfmn_-' 1or Aits make wemen better fitted ftor home life? He ' U 6 t _ Al crowmua p"m'l" |\,'ll'tlJ°:|':'},' l C un lt'l',"t,"y"t"m was afraid it would not, HMis hon. friend from *W e .g-:ti'm"' < M ?;{Ttralimfi;" J'l'fw tine .o;"tcl:estm" ?:L,;: {"f,f | | Mawilton bhad told them that one woman in h . t: f Winkle" prejwiices had passed, and women | '}':':ngluml bad attained the high position of y . > o ~f should be put ou the same footing with men in | 'teighth wrangler" in a University. At home ' 8. iC en respect to education. In the public and high | it did not mntte'r if she was the senior wrangler. ut oA . schools they saw> the boys and girls, young (Laughter.) The dead languages had no-" y ;g.ifi xC . 28 men . and _ women, _ pursuing , their studies thing to do with housekeeping. . HMe was $ | ...','; 'fi f : side by side, in the same class--rooms, using the certain that this question had _ not _ re-- § / h : v'? e ; same text books, and 1.;;y§,.g the same standard cmyed the cunsldgnmon putslqe the city | || l old as to instruction and discipline, and in the main as in the city. It was something like coercion ; ' 3( Wt . that they should force the Prosident of the Uni-- | -- & 4 %, -- ks . .. R hn mninninidiii n dn i ie e e i e s oc esn in en inss s ie nimatriomneth ' e

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