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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 4 Mar 1884, p. 4

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Mr, WATERS moved the second reading of his bill to enable widows and unmarried women to voto at municipal elections, _ He took the ground that women who paid taxes had a right to vote. They should not be debarred in saying who should manage the affairs of a municipality. The reason they were so debarred was simply the question of sex. | Ite held that this should be no barrier. If a {emale teacher was able to conduct a puxlic school satisifactorily she was discharg-- ing great public duty, anud it did not require so much taient to exerciso the franchise at inunicipal elections as it did to teach a school successfully. Mr. FRASER had not changed his viows sincs a similar bili was introduced at a former session. He could not see whero they would draw the line. lf they gave women the franchise, as sug-- gested, he could not see why women should not become municipal counciliors. _ Was there any just ground for compiernt * Would the affairs of any mumcipalities be better managed if women were given the franchiseo* HMe was not prepared to adimit it. _ There were men with property in municipalities who were not entitlad to vote at municipal elections. Once they crossed the threshold he did not know where they would take their stand. Mo intended to take his stand just where he was. (Hear, hear.) If they brought women into the municipal contest they would go upon the platform. The disadvantages would be greater than the advantages, He counted tho petitions from the municipal councils with re-- ference to this question as nothing at all. The women did not petition for this, but it was an easy matter to get ) ri itad petitions signed by councils. He bad iothing but an emphatic "nay " for the hill. $ Mr. CREIGHTON _ had introduced a similar bill eight years ago. 'Hu was in accord with the hou. member from North Mlddles.ox. Ho was decidedly opposed to giving a married woman a wfi',. BALFOUR ho[l)ed the hon. member for North Middlesex would not withdraw his bill. He felt convinced that it would carry some day in the near future,. . _ , P Mir, MERRICK did not :intend to follow the same course which he followed sight years ago. He was opposed to the principles iuvolved in the Mr. MEREDITH thought most of the hon. geutlemen of the Mouse had boen som--what mes-- merized in discussing this question. Such aquestion should be discussed with care as the interests of the country had to be considered. This was one of several questions upon which the ladies of the country were attacking the Legislature. Moe was opposed to woimen taking an interest in the public affairs _ of the _ country. Ho _ entirely dissented _ from the _ pro-- posal to give women the franchise. It should not be forgotten that there were ladies' col'eges in the country. There had not been sufficient arguments before the House to come to the conclusion that co--education should be es-- tablished, The House should not be committed to any such conclusion, as at present the question was but one of experiment. The motion was then carried on a division. it ie BB ic atre Bivichiian h snenther udn 1 buirit S' As NAE UR ECCE ) 'v:'\?r. i'Y()UNG thought something dreadfui was going to happen. The House was unani-- mous in favour of the admission of women to the University. Me was in favour of the higher education of women, and he was in -- favour of -- their -- adimission to -- the University, but he did not think they should at. tend in the same mauner as at present, When thoy came to agreat university of 200 or 800 young men with an mflux of women there was not that cireumspestion on the part of the ofticials. There should be an annex buiiding near the University with a principal for the ladies. By so doing they would get all the advantages wished. Ho voted in favour of the resolution in a general sense that the women should bs just as well educated as men. 'The women could not be too highly educated. _ _ cuss the question, but did not wish to give a | silent vote, and so he would only express his opinion. He did not agrse with those who suggested this question should be discussed on the grouna@ of economy. That would be de: grading the whole. question, _ instead of placingy it on the broader and _ larger view _ that presented itself to _ him, He was in favour of the higher education of women, but bhe was not in favour of co--education of the sexes. -- Mo wished this distinctly under-- stood in giving his vote. 4s g & Mr. MORRIS thousht the hon. member for Hamilton had stated the question fairly, He had no fear of the results of co--education in this country, He trusted the House would express itself in favour of the motion. _ _ ©__ Mr. FRENCH thought they should not have a lengthened discussion on this matter. He heartily concurred in the motion of the hon. gentleman opposite. He thought it would add to the dignity of the institution to have women in attendance. 7 # Mr. WOOD said that after the exhaustive re-- marks of the honu. members for Mamilton and Monk he had nothing in addition to sav, except that he thought the sexes should have equal rights in the matter of education. 'The ladies were entitled to a share ct the public money given in aid of the University, Mr. ROBILLARD was not opposed to ladies getting the highest education possible. However he made a big diffsrence between * terrestrial he made & ln:f dilforence between _ Serrestrial geg»f_{rup!s_v_ _aud human geography." (Laughter.) 114. XMr. DRURY thought the question was one FRANCHISE To WOMENX, The Attorney--General--On Friday next--Bill respecting the Districts of Algoina and-- Thunder Buy. 5 a & Mr. Preston--On Friday next--Order of the House for a return showinz the respective amounts paid by such municipalities in the Pro-- vince of Ontario in which the Dunkin or other teimperance Acts aro in force towaurds the license fund of the district in which they are situated. Also, enquiry of Ministry whether the Govern-- ment intend to collect in future as in the past through their license officials a revenue from municipalities in which no licenses are issued and whereo the Dunkin Act is in force in aid of the liconse fuud of the district in which said minicipalities are situated. Mr. White--On EFmday next--Enquiry of Ministry whether it is the intention of the Gov-- erument to make such arrangements as will en-- able the Province to be represented by way of promoting an exhibit of the products of the Province at the World's Industrial and Cotton Centenmial Exposition, to be opened at New Orleans in Decemker next. Mr, Monk--On Friday next--Eesolution that in the opinion of this House w is desirable that the Municipal Comimittee should carefuily cen-- sider the propriety of incorporating in their Municipal Biil a provision to relieve clefks of _ municipalities _ from -- the _ embarrassing position of candidates nominated for one or imore offices at a municipal election resigning alter the ballots are printed and before the poiling day, such provision to more clearly define than the presont law does the formalhities of nomination and the tims whon a candidate may resign. 6 Mr, MOWAT said ho had waited for six years, and now the people wanted the extension of the municipal franchise for women. The House adjourned at midnight. NOoTICZS OF MOTION. Mr. Ermatioger--On Friday next--Rosolation that in the opinion of ths House a system of land transfer and regulation similar to that kuown as the *' Torrens system," is suited to the requirements of this Province, and should be imtroduced upon an optional or voluntary basis therein. Yxasg.--Balfour, Baxter, Bishop, Blythe, Brere-- ton, Caldwell, Carnogie, _ Clarke (Toronto), Creightou, Drury, Ermatinger, Fell, Wreeman, Gillies, Graham, Gray, Hagar, Hammell, Hart, Hudson, Kerns, Kerr, Lees, McUraney, McKay, MceKenzic, -- McKim, Metcali{e, Morin, Morgan, Mowat, Muiholiand Neclon, O'Comnor, Raysiqe, Hoe, ltoss (Huron), Ross (Middiesex), Sills, Waters, Wilmot, Wood --42. Nays.--A wrey, -- Blezard. Broder, -- Casceaden. Fraser, French, Gibson (Hamilton), Gibson (Hu-- ron), Laidiaw, Lyon, Mciniyre, McGhee, Mo-- Lauchlin, McMahon, Master, Meredith, Merrick, Monk, Morris, Pardee, {Pheips, Preston, Robil« lard, Ross (Cornwail), Snider, White--2, AMir. MEREDITH stated that the Attornog-- Gc'n'em_l-_hg.g_ voted against a similar bill in 1878 Mr, FRENCH moved in amendment, second-- ed by Mr. WHITH, that the bill be read this day throee months hence. g.(r. METCALFE favoured the bill. Mr. FRENCH consented to withdraw his anrendment, and the division was taken on the tbill (" shall the bill be read a second time ?") as foilows :-- hon. the Commissioner of Public Works. He thought they could draw the line. 'They should give widows ard unmarried the right to vote at municipal elections without the Parliamentary franchise, Woinen had the right to vote when they paid taxes on property. He believed that this was one of the prineipal reasons why wo-- men had not before beenadmitted to the univer-- sity. They had been without the {ranchise. of right or wrong. They could not deny the women their right to vote on the property taxed at municipal elections. It wa: a well known fact that ladies exorcised the {fran chise, and voted on money by--laws. Mr. SILLS thought the courtesy should be ex-- tended to the hon. gentieman, and the bill should pass its second reading. _ Mr. _l'{)O':\'S (Huron) did not agree with the Mr. MEREDITH was inclined to think that parties in the House had been dissolved. _ He was opposed to the principles of the bill. _ He hoped Mr. Waters would withdraw his bill. Lil'. Chn.-. Smith_ of Times (Yh'a

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