The Ontario Scrapbook Hansard

Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 17 Mar 1884, p. 4

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f us "% y#X s' ' ¥ * »b thorouchly investigated, 65. tm Is to one of the ""fl- | Q'fi i. M'w s o s . NP 1i S relont bare "In "tuis: motion 19 your Te A on mete, ies is TA 0 > ' hands. There has been no statement made 0 TCM * for E & . h said the hon, member for East E | | the authority of ARY 3 <hs Inibods e:ny ?:l" tl's: Toh:orx;to to&'l{ked of honour and dishonour. He Es | this Hnru\u;. tfi Jusi;:;yiu?\.th'o"t:::«"rufi':: which is (Mr. McKim) was one of the loudmg members in , fls * name of Mr. Buat Ar. \| 6. ' in your hands, and, sitr, I think belore so serious | this matter, but he bpwll*:d %'29 lz::k°'£o'.2° | E. iA c{mrge as that which appears in the motion . in had known him tor& qlult'r :l"I onld":aveyl;oe M y | E. made against the conductor of one of the leading what he h.sd d9ne at he 14 hi wihige p-- | § M journals in | this _ country, there -- ought proached in this way. He held his po'litical prin-- | l /. to have been the clearest ax:x most satisfactory q'plu;dur,:nd when he w?s ezppfmch:,d gy mo"el | § proof, and there ought to have appeared upon gentiemen he was approac l',I llxponlt : zlxluuom :: 1 > the face of the record evidence to substantiate standing, _ (Hour, hear.) He thought his honour B .| 4 such a charge as that. -- As the Attorney.General had been dragzed in the dust, and it was when P 3 has said, it is a charge of a most serious charac-- | those offers had been made to him and he had 4 ter, and ought not li,fixtly to be made against any " consulted with one of the members of the P R | one, and I think, therofore, the Attorney --General Government that he went on, and he desired 4 D would best have served the interests of | | the Bpeaker, who had known him longer f a justice had he placed upon record, in than any other member of the House, to say § » the same way that he has done 'with | what he had done that he should have beon P | f 6 regard _ to the others] the grounds _ and | approached in this disgraceful manner by leading $ | the evidence upon which he proceeded. _ How-- | ' members of the Conservative party, _ (Cheers,) E & ever, the Attorney--General has assumed--I ap-- | Ho considered that he had neither dishonoured . ; prehend upon ns own responsibility as a member | | himseif, his party, nor his constituency. (Loud I |€) || 1P of this House--the making of the stateinent which | cheerl.{ f Eo s || 1f .pflur- in that document, and the responsibility Mr. FRASER said he must confess his uttor #%> ot having put it forward must rest upon him, surprise thas two men occupying the important ~ '1_.7 b whatever be the result of this matter. Now, Mr, | positions which the meimbers for London and o( , Speak r, I do not desive to say a 'word that will | East Toronto occupied in this House should on * J Y A have the slizhtest effect that ought not to be had | so grave an occasion, when the honour, the $ | with regard to any matter that has takon place | cre:lit, an the reputation of the House were at \ l -- | hero. 1 do not want to say anytuing that may | stake, and when they themselves were to some . $ | i in the slightest degree be thought to mitigate | extont tuking strong ground against the con-- * ¥ 11| what has been done by any one ; but it Sou | spiracy that had been divulged, only get up and i3 | seem to me that if hon, gentlemen had been as | make excuses for the escoundrels who had been * x [ desirous of saving their honour as represontatives | seeking to degrade the honour of the House. a [ | ; and of saving the reputation of this House, they |\ Mr. MORRIS--No, no. { I would have indignoantly sparned upon tho first Mi, FRASER--The hon. gentleman said the | occasion any proposition such as that (Oh, ob ! ' occasion was n yrave one, and he knew why it : and hear, hear.) 'The hon. fentieman snoers at. | was grave. It was because it was pregnant with s that observation. T think the highest statesinan-- | disastrous results to himself and his friends. |« M ship, the highest duty to a man's country, the | (Cheers.) The hon, gentleman disclosed that the n ' highest duty to a man himself, when an approach only feeling he bhad in the matter, the only thing 6 P l of that kind had been made to him, would be at that roused him at all, was that when the at-- 8 i once incdignantly to repudiate it, _ I ask, let the | tempt was going on _to bring about the utter de-- : H Attorney--General put himself in the place of any gradation of the House those men should have it . | hon. member, and ask what he Wouldp have done | been found out, and so weaken his chances of t . in circumstances such as these. _ I am satisfied ' crossing the floor of the House, (Cheers.) He © $ that he would at once scornfully repudiate any | (Mr. Morris) had only words of reprouach tor % such offer, and that no man would have attempt-- | those gentlemen who deserved at the hands of p m ed to have made it. _ L hbave just that observa-- | the House as a whole and at the hands of the tion to make. _ Further than that I shall say / Provincs at large credit and honour and reputa-- 4 nothing. _ We will hear what the evidence 1s, \tion for having brought this villany home., E ? -- and, as always takes place in uny British country, \ (Cheers.) His hon. friend said that it was a l 1| -- f we shall hear what is to be said by those who are | grave and serious thing that members of the * L. 1 | charged, before they Are pronounced guilty, Government should have allowed this mat-- e * $ | Mr.] MOWAT --My hon. friend in speak-- | ter to go on, but he knew and the House x' ing in defence of one of the persons | knew that if any one on his side of the House 3 charged, and in attacking those who have made \ had risen to make such a charge without having p t known the f.ct--fixesr, hear)--taking the ground ' evidence in his possession he would have been i3 if that it was somethinig like a wrong course---- | laughed and sneered at for making charges with~ e i Mr. MEREDITH--No; 1 did not say that at | out foundation. (Cheers.) It was necessary for 4 [ || all. public purity--(Hear, hear)--and in order to | ' 3 , Mr, MOWAT--Any man, in permitting over-- clear the political sky that such steps should be | I-- [ 1| tures to be made, might take one of two courses ; i taken that when the matter came before the | | J | he might do what these hon. members did, and | House they should be abie to place beyond per-- | _ 1 1| which is for the public interest--(hear, hear)--or ' adventure the conviction of thesq men, They | E. ':] keep buried in his own bosom all the corruption | had snared. this brawling brood of bribers that | A M || . which might go on. It was their duty to bring | had beon hatclhed out under the eaves of the ; hm C these men to justice, and having.done that thew \ Mail office during the session, (Loud and pro-- | | i mplish a very good work which they would \ longed cheering ) Ha told his hon. friends from | P -- 4 have accomplished if they .conegalod whas | South Essex and Weilingtion that they would get, | | , x place. In regard to Bunting, information | as they deserved to get, credit and honour from P -- «ich I have, and which has partly been laid, I \ the people _ of this Dominion from _ one L i NP esume, before the magistrate by whom the gink 6t _ iy~~~to * "the ~_othet, (Cheers.) M _ él f arrants have beoun issued, but which in all He -- told his bon. friend from Eaist -- To-- p}' & } «ulness will bs produced on all fitting occasions ronto, as he told his friend from Wellington, ?7 [} before this Committes and before the Courts, is that there was no dishonour in bringing home | {'Q | that he was a party to the whole negotiation. guilt where guilt lay. (Cheers.) 'Pnere was no | M _ A |} (Hear, hear.) It will appear from the evidence dishonour in making conviction sure ; there was | . that he was as much a party to the negotiation no dishonour in putting one's self in the breach. | kc K* lhnyvone'.":;th.;:_ugh he ;;l'd ;'Ot' actually pay the and he said if thero were two imen ir; t.'nefHouse | iz | Ti ns Io To noiel thie muadt who deserved the esteem and credit of evety | I Mr, MORRIS said the matter was one o[ great honest man on both sides of the HMouse they | gravity, He was prepared to vote for an imnme. were the meinbers for South Essex aud Welling= | iE diate reference to the Committso on Privileges ton, (Cheers.) When the question came to be | * * and Etections, It was a mattor of regret that farther discussed in the proper place, his hon. | A2 such a transaction 'could possibly have taken friends from London and East Pl'omuto would | | PA place, But while reserving his judgment as a | probably not ind it worth their while to rise in | IL _ member of that Committee, and while believing » ' their places and decry those who had been the | 6 that the Attorney--Genaral was right in b""im" | instruments of justice in this matter. (Loud | 1 the matter before the House, he could not help cheers.) l F . . expressing his surprise at one thing, and that \" Mr. GRAHAM sud that he had been ap-- | Jt : | was that while attempts were being made on the proached by mien with mpney, but they could € i integrity of certain members of this House, those ' not carry enough money to buy him, (&'hee,,,) ' ts members should have baen in the hands of the > st labour + What money he had was got by honest + | 5. $ | aworn, advisers of the Crown, who were guiding and he was determined that his political name | ( § | | and directinge them, --(Hear, h""z They had should go dgwn with honour, He had another | f t 1| | the open disclosure of the Premier himself, made proposition made to him, and when he told the | i & in this House, that he was cognizant of the gentleman he could mot vote against the policy [z | whole matter, and that he was an accessory to it, of the Government, he was told that he might E [ (Ministerial laughter.) He r'fi:"'.d it, the hon. | manage to make a speech in favour of the Oppo-- § * ' gontleman was accessory to t facts that were | sition, and he (Mr. Graham) would be remuner-- & f | transpiring. Theso members, of whom tools ed LoL. it. M\ | were endeavouring to be made, were coming 14r. CASCADEN bolieved the hon. membeor | \ | | to him tor instructions, and were asking how far for East Toronto had attempted to cast a hollow \', ' they might lead those men on. While he (Mr. political prejudice around the inveatigation of | | Morria) did not disparage the crime that had | \ this case. it was to be regretted that the case e | been charged, he felt that these members had | had not been allowed to go to the country | | been guilty of leading these mon on--(laughter) | through the Privileges and Elections Committeo | --when if they had had the honour of gentiemen | thout an attempt to conccal the iniquity and Government and without an attempt to ¢ § ' they would have gone to the Go i crime. The hon. gentleman opposite had said that $ manfully said they had been ngpr-u_;ched in f 1d have boen better for the hon, gentlemen + | it would & this way, but threw the offers behind their backs, to have spurned the efforts made by these in-- and that they informed the Government, so | tWiguers and by this brood of bribers. Ho (Mr. ' $ 1| | that they .might deal with the matter as they Cascaden) knew that efforts had been made re-- ' thought right. Instead of this course boing | beatedly to buy members of the House from the | l'dond' these men, under the advice of the | "g:ainuiu of 'the presont session,. In the first | Government, wore led to hold interviews with | U Plice i € induced to pledge himself to secrecy | | these mon until the result was reached that had ; P o Wt k . P ocns o ding-- | g been placed before the House. He felt that the | | by an oid acquaintauce of many years SLQUCINEET | C | k e | tei s w 6 ; a particular friend of his but a political oppo ouly . course as to refor _ the matter | a patr C [ to _ the Committee -- on _ Privile and nent, . Me had been offered the same old Regis= Eletions without a _ moment's m., in | trarship of Rogina, (Hear, hear.) His health t | being somewhat impatred at the beginning d ' | 4 h. e i e

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