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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 20 Mar 1884, p. 12

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'TRIAL AT THE POLICE CoURT. wMr. Morris Identifies Senator Mac-- pherson's Handwriting. bR. CASCADEN TESTIFIES. «Mr.Bunting Directly Connected with the Conspiracy. . _ The Standing Committeo on Privileges and Elections met again yesterday, Mr. HMarcourt , presiding. There was the usual large attend: ance. The Attorney--General was also present. MB. DWIGHTREFUSES TO PRODUCE The first witness called was Mr. H. P. Dwight, Manager of the Great North--Western Telegraph Company. TO BE REPORTED TO THE HOUSE. «€ME EVIDENCE OF MR McKIM. T Y PLOT Mr. Dwight Refuses to Produce the Implicating Telegrams. *Big Bush " Attempts to Hide Among the Crowd. Kirlkland Disowns the Other Conspirators. Mr. Fraszz--You might be the first under Confederation to appear before the bar of the House, I shall not ask you any further ques-- *&ions then. j Mr. Dwight then withdrew, +# Mr. Frascn moved that the fact of Mr. Dwight bhaving been summmoned, the fact of his appear-- ance, and the fact of his refusal to produce any , pers or documents montioned in the summons#4 g: reported to the House., Carried, | Mr. Frascr--Has any search been made for the telegrams which you have been called upon to produce ? Mr. Dwicut--There has been a search, but in the meantime I am advised, in regard to our right to produce, that this Committee has no authority to order their production, and I am directed in the meantime to decline to produce the messages. Q.--Have any such messages as you are sum-- moned to produce been found ? A.--I decline to give any evidence. _ _ oo > Q.--You decline to give any evidence as to whether any such telegrams have been received or sent as stated in the summons * A.--Our ob-- ject, of course, is to protect the secrecy of the business passing over the line as far as we can, Q.--Tl:e ground you take is that under the law you are not bound to produce them betore a Cpeual.mtteo of this House? A.--S8o I am ad-- vis Q.--Will you say you have or have not any copies of the telegrams now in your possession ? A.--I have not. Mr. Frassrn--I suppose as a Committee we cannot punish you for contermpt, but we will have to report you to the HMHouse. 1 suppose you are not acting from anything per-- sonal in the matter, but it is simply because, as general manager, you think it is not your duty so to do? A.--Yes, MR. MACPHERSON's LKTTER, Mr. Fraszkm--I propose to identify, as far as possible, the documents already in possession of the Committee,. I propose to cali Hon. Mr. Morris. (He handed Mr, Macpherson's letter to Mr. Morris.) e 7 ® Mr. Monruis--I am quite familiar with the handwriting of the Hon. Mr,. Macpherson, and the letter in the first page of the vaper is in the handwriting of the Hon, Mr. Macpherson, and 1 identify it. The handwriting on the back I do not know, (This handwriting refers to the blank appointment. ) I cannot identity it at all. It is not Mr. Macpherson's writing. 'The superscrip-- A CONSPIRACY ALREADY PROVED" to think it over seriously, and I will see you again." I then learned that he had been about the office of the hotol for some hours inquiring of the clerk of the Rossin House when I went home, when I _ would come back, and all about me, The next moruing 1 came down about 11:40, and afterwards I fjound that he had been acing up and down the passoge waiting {for me. EIQ saw me as soon as 1 stepped out of the slevator. He at once came up and drew me to one side, but I procceded to take a chair in the most public place in the main hall on York--street, about the en-- rance or near the entrance to the reading--room, thus secking to bring myself within ear--shot of some person who could thereby learn the nature of the conversation. He then gave me to know that he had myself. --Howover he persisted in the matter and assured me that if L worhl give one vote and then remain at homs it wou'ld anuswer all the furgoses sought. I then began to lavy my not or him a litt!le to see what he prepared to do. Hoioluid'that if I would only consent to resign ul dollicte t\ Sss Wt dsc is ind «:4 EEVC vU\ll!L" UV ECCOELIT him. _ He asked me to manipulate what he called weJrish vote, and this, he said, would «nswer just as well us voting against the Govern-- -u' for which service I was to have $2,000 or #$3,000 at once. HMo was carefui to state that this vas not a bribe, but was intended to pay my way tb Regina, where I was to have a position which vould be guaranteed to produce $1,800 a year. He spoke something about a. house being purs shased for me. 1 had a great conflict of emotion whether to consider this as an insult or not, but I thought it was worth knowing what the party would do, so I told him that the country was too cold for me At this he smd, "I am prepared to say that you can al-- mest make your own terms; you can have a nice *git' in Britisn Columbia.' I had then ex> bausted my resourees in drawing him out, and I said to hiin, "1 beg to breals up this interview," and assured him that nothing would come of it ; that it was jmpossible for mse to en--. tertain his proposal, Me said, '*I wish you to think it over seriousiy, and I will which TIrefused to do. Ho then assured me that he had full authority from the leaders of the Conservative puty to speak to me as he was then speaking, and enter into nogotiations with me in regard to my allegiance to the Gov-- ernment. I assured him that my support would be very little worth in the presont state of my bealth. and that I was oven then vory much in-- elined to go home. 1 saud this in order to parry the question, and did nrot want to commit 'mrgoses sought. I then began to lavy my not or him a litt!le to see what he prepared to do. He said that if I would only consent to resign and lend my influence in the county to return sugsested that there was too much pIrty feeling in the country and too much partyisin about. Knowing that attempts had been made upon members on this same specious plea I at onee tumbled to the fact that he would be making an attempt to seduce me from my allegiance to the Mowat Administration. Ho very soon, without much circumlocution, arrived at the first proposal that I should give my support to one of five or six resolutions that would be proposed in the House against the policy of the Government with a view of defeating the Mowat Administration and supplanting it by a coalition to be formed of at _ least two _ Liberal members--he would not object to three-- and the remaining ones Conservatives, _ I omit-- ted to state that at a previous stage of the in~ terview he asked me Mr. Fraszrz--Mr. Chairman, has Mr. Goldie, of Guelph, sent you the letter or telegram which he promised to send you yesterday ? 'The CHAIRMAN--No, he has not. MR, CASCADEN'S EVIDEXCE, Mr. Cascap:x, sworn, said :--During the last week in January between the 29th and the 1st of February, Mr. Mecek, an old acquaintance of mine, now a barrister of this city, came to me and asked for the privilege of a private inter-- view, which Igranted, never dreaming of the olject of it, He asked me immediately if what he said or if our negotiations would be strictly Erivute, to which I readily &Assented, not nowing the object. HMe at once intimated that he was aware how bad my health had _ been, and _ after a _ general -- con-- vorut.ion' _about it and old acquaintances who were willing to do as he wished me to do, and a great deal of general conversation occurred with regard to the management of the affair, I then said to him, **You had better quit this ; nothing can come of it." He sad, "This is an entirely personal matter," and thus receded from the position he had assumed in the former interview that he had authority to speak for the leaders of the party. About the last he said was, "I wish you to un-- derstand that this is a matter entirely of my own motion between ourselves." _ I thought the mat= ter over, and thou;h I remembered that L was pledged to secrecy, I felt that I should be equally eriminal with the man if I did not make the sp-- proaches known, so I consequently came antu told soms members of the Government the whole of the interviews. Another little incident which strengthens my opinion that he was authorized at least by some tion on the envelope is in Mr. Ma » bandwriting. cpherson's TOGO AND sSEE MI. BUNTING, poCcUMENTS TO BE PRODUCED. THE CLOVEN FOOT APPEARS. BECURED SIX MEMSERS,

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