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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 29 Jan 1885, p. 4

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| statutes which tis ()ppogitrion claiméed 1t Was : not expedient to make while the case was pend-- ing in the Courts, Ne still maintained this ground, with this additivnal position--that when-- | ever a bill of the Local Legislature prasumes to " talke away the property of an badividual without | e~mpe & tion mt is unsourd, ind the Federa! *AE ns ~arkke " amnoWerat to dnmallow e~mpe s tion mt is unsounrd, : ad the ledera' authorities were | empoweredl . to disallow that biil. In reterence to the license question be cou!d juin in the cungratulations on account of the Supreme Court bay 'ng decided that the Pro-- viacial Governments bad jurisdiction over this matter, -- However, if the :emperaunce wave con: tigued to aweep over the country as it had been doing, and the Soott Act were pissed in evory county it would not matter in: ch where the licensing power rested. Spoak ing of the harvest he thousht the remarks of the hon. member for South Wentworth on that subject were out of place. expected that prices could ba enhanced under such'cireumstances by any tariff niaced upon them. (Cries fof * Oh ! oh 1" and laughter.) Meo aiked _ what the Government policy was, and said it was to _ make things worse eERECE L d TF TT i44 I by closing the factories,. Referring to the prom-- | | ised RBill for extending the franuchise, he said the | ® peopie had looked for that in vain. _ It had been | c romind last session, but not hrought down. # 'rom that side oi the Mouse there would be 1 every effort made to secure a liberal franchise, ( 'There was one thing,. sat all events, that ! the country would expect, that whon this € extension -- did take place a gross | in--| | justice should be remedied by giving the sons of | f incchanics and others the right to vote as well as | t the sous of farmers. -- Replying to the rex'erex;ce', 1 to educational matters, Ee wondsred that while | t houn. gontlemen were in a conygrainlatory mood | 1 they did not mention their gratification that the ' * NMinister of that Department lhad been able to ; 1 solve the great school book question by placingl ' in the hands of three publishing houses a monspaly | I for tem years to come. _ With respect to the de--| ! bate on the Addrass, it sesimned to him that it | | would be more in the interest of & RAPID LEGISLATION ; if the House adopted the plan taken in the Mother Country and at Ottawa now of dispens-- 1 ing with auy lengtbened discussion. He desired ! to say that now they were getting rid of some ; ot the sources of acrimony inside and outside of J this House, he trusted that they would be able ' to get rid of some of the fealing that had existe t ' between members, He did not desire to zo out 1 of the ordinary way in saying anything here, but :t seemed strange that there should "be so much discord in the pursuit of a csminon pur-- . puse. He apprehended that whatever they might say in the heat of discussion here every-- body believed that from his own standpoint he was anxious to consider the hest interests of the I country. In a feow closing words he gavea ti:-- buto to his late colleague the member for Lernox, | I Mr. KRoe, who had been removedi by the hand ot | | death since last sessior, § | | MR. MOWATS SPEECH. | | _ Mr. MOWAT--I am glad to know that a bet--| ter fealing prevails ; I ain glad to know that my | hon. friend is now of opiuion that every member . of this House is desirous of doing tho best for | the country from his own stindpoint. (Hear | heur.) It will be a satis{actory thing if our friw'x'x»li l finds himself able to act in the spirit he has just | prvciaimed. I hope also that he will be abll-*«o | induce certain organs of his to say nothing with | regard to public matters which is not trme, and | make mo charge which they Inow camnnot [;')N;. | bly be well founded, (Cheers.) OQar fri.;nig who moved and seconded the -- resolution | are not uew to this House ; they are not new to public lite ; they have rendered valu-- able services to the country. During sa\'er&l'sei- | sions we have often heard their voices in deba.'t rs, | and they have always been heard with attemi':'" } and respecti, and we only regret that the il'ue':' 1 of one may prevent him from speaking more frc'S j quently. He never speaks but in a way cred t | able to himself and the HMouse. 1 propose xsa\'i-l | & fow. words on moss of the tonics tOlli'h':s upon in the speech of my hon, friend. As to t | setil:sment of the Eoundary question my | P triend atill strougiy lays claim for the 'ey' l:mi- the Dominion Governiment having ;nn',i'en:m e pasal i0 l87" that the matter should be left 'pf;)f hth. f;:\'{. Conneil. \\;bs: we biame tlmt..nvg'h:; | on. gentieraan tor, an ' | for is that they ut' n what we blame it's party | AN UTPBRLY | NFOUXDED CLAIM with respact to these woundaries and did their best to deprive us of our right in the tertitory other than by lega! means. (Applause.) 'The f: c% is that after that suggestion of a refecence to the Privy Gouncil was made the CGovernmeont did \ not remaitlougin offtice and the Governinent that { sncceeded it thoucht it mora tisting that a quess { tiom of this Lind beiween two Crovetaiun--n's ; should be decided by arbitration here instead . of | gwing tothe Privy Council. 'Ina: was the rea-- | sonable thing to do and it is the course followed | in a _ controversy between _ two _ Gov-- | erniments, (Applaue.) Itis a gomparatively | rare thing--indeed there -- is po _ record | of the existence of a boundary dispute between two tiovernments boing referrrad to a legal tri-- | bunal in the way suggested. -- 'The quastion of arbitration was accep ed by the penpia's repre= | reniatives, and they were nover called upon to | express an opinion in regard to leaving this mat« ter to the Privy Council. -- Indeed, it was never NO MAN WITH ANY SENSE tie (pposition claimed it was ogith ed it wa course followed o_ two -- Gov-- & gomparatively s _ Bo _ record never Zance ' before the public until after the award was made. ! The fact is that not one word of oppnaitio: ta 1 & 1 B Liy cogel C olncmadtitant t j EP00 EME To noadgnd o 4s | the award was beard. | the proposition, and it | was the only, it was t Viey have fons on making grants of our timber, and refused us the courtesy of giving us an ac-- emint of what they have granted though we have reportedly appled for it You will see, therefore, that it was Nor vacUs aND UxFogyxnen arrarHENaION, woich caused us to feel that it t --erms and conditions of the reference were n & uch as to make is to the interest of the Dom' --»a Glovern-- ment to hurry the imatter i would be left to drag along for any rumbaer of years which ruitec them, (Applause ) lt is known to this 4. t Privy Council in their jud~ A + necessary thing that th =a Ae 8 lmmrial Pars nament ;; § into effec: _ itg decisior 4 win zh l-'fin- minion mall ~babum wuacx s them. (Applause) 1t is & Privy Council in «-- _ ~necessary thing 8 lmpori&l Pars § into effec' _ itg whch 1+ 25,,. "all take cogoin *'v Council wa communicatgd to the Dorainion Government in a | despatch by | the lmpo.nal authorities for the | purpose of ascertaining if they wisbhed an Act | passed during the last sossion of the lmperial Parliament, but even up to a few weeks ago they l had not even answered that despatczh {from the | Old Country. 1 asgertained that the cespatch | had been sent and also that the despatch was not ; even -- answered, aud in urder that | there might be no further cause for delay, I | acivnally drew up a bill ard seut it down to the | Dominion G@overnment stating that we wera will« | ing to accept a bill which would cover the whole | Privy Counsil case, -- 1 could not get any answer, however, Oar de«natches were formally acknow -- ledged by the Under Necretary, who sent a reply :--**We have regeived your despatch, 1 have the honour to be, siz, your very obediert servant." -- So that there can be no question of the position of the Dominion Government gpon this subject, and that there was grave danger of our losing the territory if we bad not taken the course we did, (Applause.) It bas been charged against me that I never wou'ld atate the award to be legaitly bindipg, Now -- my | actnal position is | this the _ irclinstion of my opinion was, that the award was legally binding. 1 never pretended that 1 was perfectly clear, he. cause there wras no precedent for the question ; but the nearest precedent there was, was in favour of the award. 'This is in the case of Pennsy!. vania and Maryland, and the decision was in favour of the right of colonies to settle their own boundaries, so that the ouly precedent was in our favour. _ 1 don't see any :ul{x'suntial difference between the cireumstances o# this case, and those arising out of "our case, and -- accept remdily, without any reserve, tho decision the Privy Council arrived at. . 1 thirk the honourable gen-- tleman exaggerated the position 1 took in refer-- ence to the matter, -- Hae suays that in these quess tions in which other Provinces are interested, we ougit to consider THE STREAMS BILL With regard to the Rivers and Streams Bill the jndgment of the Privy Coun-- cil had _ also been _ favourable to © s My hon. friend may forget that the Act of which he complains, and which was passed fre-- quently in this House, was one which did provide tor compensation, _ 1t is to bo remembered that the statute was a very old ons. _ It :s not one of ours. Jt was passed in 1849. When this matter came before the Privy Council one of the args-- ments was that the Rivers and Nreams Bill wss fixing upon the statute & construction which was unjaet ; that if that construction contended for was correct, then the Logislature was grving to the publc & nenetit of streams and improvereents tgey bad no right to, The Privy Conpeil did mot think that was so unreasonable as hor. gent!:imen opposite thonzht, agd _ dic not -- attach _ any imporiance to -- that argnment. Now the next paper to which my bon. friend lias referred' is ')jxe License law an < the decision of the Nspreme Court on that subject, _ diere again tne Dowmipion was all Mr, Marumirit--Not exactly ail wrong. There wore some moonsilevable exseptions. Nr, MOWAT--I sn not sere they were rigl t with re--pect to these incomnsiderahle exceptieas. They are foo incensiderable to appeal about, ou: 1 see by some ot the papers that shey propose to onpeai Trom the decistch ofi the 8npremse Court, and it they do c'that 10 will go the same about the inconsidernable exceptions, 1 think the whole Act imay be de-- clared without thess exceptions to be b--vand the gowero of the Dominion Governmeut When uy on, friend finds that they are wrony so uiteu, 1 submit to him wheticr he can auy longer have anyihing to <--do -- with a Govern-- ment. which has _ always taken _ wroug views on every question between tha Proviuc« and the Dominion, (Hear, hear.) 1 he does not differ from ts, sertain y the tair and reason-- able course would be to withdraw his asupport from a Governmant which is ALWAYS GOT¥G AcAIXST the riglits of Ontsrio and aiways wrony when gomg against these riguts, The hon. gent'eman euggests some poliey of nurs to have the eff :c ot shutting up the manufactormies and withholding work from the working men and imschagnics. Why, what we are sorry for is that they are n' roady shut up ond that persons avre now thrown ont of employment. 1+ r quires no act of onre, nnfortunately, to do that, but we are ems KloYlnf: every means we can to prevent that result. 1y hon. friend snolte next ot the extension of tha franchisa He is wrong when he denies that this Government has not extended | the franchise in _ the past. We -- may o not bave gane so far as we would have liked to go <r moan to go, bat we introduced a conmsiderable number of yvoters who had no right to vote until they Rot it from us,. Well, now my bon, {riend complains that we have not brought in the bill before. _ My hon friend forgets that his own

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