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P¥ Wigtzaot «. "4.. '"Tgo loss had | Veen soid and they wished to know particulars | of the sales, The return brought down las sey-- | sion was rery2 imperfect, They wanted to know | the torms of hnayment, dates of application, etc. | _ Hon.T. B. PARDRI saiq if the hon. gentleman I wanted:any other information he would bring it | down, | Mr. W99p said it would be very valuable, as it was tmportant that people should have full infor'mtion, and he would be glad if the Minister . of Crown,Lands would supply it, Applications -- were being made continualiy %ur lots which were being taken "p, and many of the settlers warg ! not aware of it until the s ile had been complete 1, Mr. CA RXNEGIR thought certainly the ro. turn they obtained Inst session was a most valus able one in the interests of the country. e did not thinl anyone had any ider that G1. * ainfans 11-- +1 0CCRONRE 16 / will _ necessarily take considerable time to prepare. 1f the in"mbers of the House think it 13 a reasonable motion, and the return will be of service to the House and the country then, otf course, it would be granted. Mr, WOop understood that large 1os haq been sold and they wished to know particulars of the sales, The return brough; down las ses. sion was rery2 imperfect, They wanted to know the torms of Paymoant, dates of application, etc. Hon. T. B., PARDRI saiq if the hon. gentleman v';anted;auy other information 10 Wwould | HMrime is own, All the departm ts of th s :nl':,"i:- Qet'\"i!:'} are kept fmost laboriousty employed every session in furnishing lnrommt_xon required by m'nu-)g'H)'{' the two houses 'The expense entailed in this frnAansmmemucily very larvge The right of the mmbers to obtain overy information from the Government within the limits previously describ. ed is 's0 na loifht d that it seoms almost boyvaond the power of a Minister to ke '0 the practice with-- in narrower bouals, and thareby savemach public monsy. It is quite obvious, ho wever, that no menber shoul mare for napers except on suf-- ficient grounds, 1t is clearly laid down by the mos eminen: of Enziish l'.u-lhnwu:urinns that it is incumbsut upou the mover to state the reasons upoa which his mation is founded that the House may judye of the necesetty, ilunu;':u'wa. and ex= podiency of caliing for the papers which are ithe subject of that m ion, There is na desire -- to withhold * inform-- ation. The Government has allowed motions to | paiss which have involred a groat amouut of labour upon the Department, One of the returns brought down ;to--day has invoived a great amount of labour and4 expense, it having been in preparation for montls, The hon, gentleman asks that it may b» brought down in tins to be of service this session,. and 1 can only say that if it is granted it will ba brought down at the earliost opportunity, but as it involves reference to Shundred of files in the Department it wl necessarily talba aa.ulal .0 CC uadred of g1L :B !t involves refe to Shuadred of files in the Department it necessarily take considerable time to prepar the in"mbers of the House think it 13 & reaso motion, and the return will be of service to House and the COUREEY SRHOG, OL Oftinem in oL be en we s 4 purchase, location, and terms of location of said lots, Now a:r, [ find upon inquiry that this would involvs agreat amount of labour which I cannot conceive would be of any sort of use to the House. It is not my desire, neither is it the desire of the Government, to withhold any in-- formation from this House, but hon. gentle. men must see that their motions should be con-- fined to what is reasonable and what is service-- avle to the House and the country. Now if he will s1y any particular number of lots, or any concession, soms particular sales or abppli-- cations or transactions with respect to which he wants to get information, that informstion will be furnisbed. I wiil not say that the Gov-- ernm»nt will refuse to furnish the information calied for by this motion, but it is an unrcasonable motion to accedeso without malkinz out a case for it. The hon. member insinuites that the return brought down last sesgsion was incomp'ete, but I am quite satisfied it gave everything that was msked for,. I deciine to rec ive that as a reason why the motion should piss. _ It is clearly lard down by Burinos npon the quostion that party must give roasons for hi« im . ton, Ho> siys :-- Hon. T. B. PARDEE--IL desire to call the sattention of the hon, meimber and the House to the nature of the motion. It is a motion involyv-- ing a great amount of labour without being of any, or at least commensurate service to the House or the country. If the hon.member wants to get any particular information, I say he is oblized and bound to give reasons why he wants to get the information. He asks for information with respect to 11 townships in Haliburton and Pseter-- boro' which uave been sold,located, disposed of,or applied for, since the first day of January, 1880 ; also, the dates of said sales, the persons to whomn sold, the prices paid, and terms of payments ; also g.he da'tes of the severa)l applications for the scnool sections in the Province in which the ernment grant has been withheld nin?e 1880. Ee oo e e e e s C s Also a return show ng the name of each colon-- is ation road on which Provincial money has bee n expended since July 1st, 1867, its length in miles, the constituency or constituencies in which it is situated, the amount expended upon it in each year, distinguishing between amounts for road-- ways, the amounts for construction of new road cutting and length of road constructed. Hon. U,. MOWAT, in rep'y to Mr. Creigh!on, said as long as the decision of the Supreme Court with re«pect to the licensa question . stands| unreversed it is the intention of the Govornmenti to acquiesce in it by abstaining from issuing wholesale and vessel l1censes, provided, of course, that the Dominion (GGovernment acquiesce in it ; and it 1s too monstrous to think of their not ac-- qu escing in a decisicn of the Supreme C:urt! when they had sought it themselves. | Mr, CARNEGIE moved for a return showing the several lots in Haliburton and Paterbor»' which have been sold, located, &e.,since January, THR LICENSE QUESTION. 1 ET 12 MEWT (a Minister to keen I boualls, and thareby PUBLIC LAND SALES. Ee En MR overy information from the ithin the limits previously describ-- ed that ir seems almost boyond Minister to keen the practice with-- adls, and thareby savemach public quite obvious, however, that no P nppremem L ge TS 2 I 0 § 0 C CC AVOT ppl{ it. Applications y for lots which were y of the settlers ware e had been complete 1, ght certainly the ro. sion was a most valuy. the country. e did idea thas the Crown C 0 m P )ens>, it having been in The hon, gentleman ht down in tune to be d 1 can only say that if brought down at the as i't\ invol ves reference hx TVDDE: p2l 2200 .O P OR3UNS founded that the House ¥. lmxm;'!u'ma. and ex= ipapers which are sthe ince in which the (Gov-- s eZXcept on suf-- id down by the ntarians that it ate the reasons s. It is ('Xemrl; quoetion that a m don, H-- Mr, MORRIS moved that the question be allowed to stand till to--morrow, It was a matter which affected all parts of the Province, and he wou'd like to know what the expenditure amount-- ed to, and why it was made, The motion was allowed to stand. # THE CREAMERY,. Mr, BRERETON moved for a return showing the numbver of _ instructors engaged in the creamery at Guelph, with the salary of each ; the number of students instructed in the art of butter--making, distinquisring between those a'tending the collego and thoss attending to learn the butter--making onily.--Carried. Hon. A. M. ROSS thought the hon. gentloman misunderstood him, He had a right to obtain all information, and in order to do this had merely asked that discussion be left over till to-- morrow. Hon. A, M. ROSS understood they had ali been brought down but would look into the mat-- ter. Mr. ERMATINGER asked about the returns for which he had moved last session respecting the purchase by the Government of various ex-- hibits in the district of Algoma previous to the last general election, pat ced M ce bip uo dA PC 3 + d t scalui es Lt Mr. CARNEGIE consented to the question standing over until be had decided as to the lots he required information on, THE SMALLPOX OUTBREAK, Mr. WOOD moved for a return showing in detail the expenditures mads in the township of Huugerford by the authority of the Provincial Board of Health during the late smallpox en« demic that prevalied in that township, with the number of cases and deaths, and the length of time the epidemic prevailed. Hon, A. M. ROSS asked if the hon. gentle man bad no objection that he should leave dis-- cu--sion over till to--morrow. EXQUIRIES, Mr, CLANCY asked when they might expect certain returns with reference to draining matters asked for last session,. 'They were importaut to the localities to which they referved. Hon,. A. M. ROSS said they got all these re-- turas last session if he remembered aright, «» Mr, CLANGCY sgaid there were three which he hml. asked tor tl'mriworo not brought down, lands wore being handed over to private parties to the extent which that retura showed that they were in the connty of Peterborough. As in tha county of Hastings, where there must be a very small quantity of Crown lands to dispose of, the lots had baen sold over the heads of the settlers without their knowledge. He thought the same thinz must bave been doze to a greater extent in the county of Peterborough, and taking that view this return ought to be brought down in the form in which they had ansked for it. \With reference to the lots sold to Cole, he asked the price which the Government had obtained. Hon. P. B. PARDEE --A dollar an acre. Mr. CARNKGIE was giad to hear that this was the price, ana not 50 or 75 cents as reported in the press. _ _ __ sLCIS 1 Elenii L i cce 2k Mr. WOOD did not intend to discuss it A little while ago the hon. gentleman's colleagues had said\ they bid no right to ask for a return without explaining the reason for it. He did aot think Mr. Rose' action consistent with that doctrine. Hon, A. M. ROSS said he would make engquir-- ies with regard to it. RER MIRY PMOTIT® Mr. MEREDITH did not want the one right which the Opposition had of getting information limited. If they went to the Dopartments for this information they would not be entitied to get it, and anplying for it in the Hou:e was the ouly moans they had of getting it. The House adjourned at 4