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" Ccomparisan baet * o vH ® womtantey imwerg becont ol elnlrnves [ fin CaBmBtnc The overespeaditure on | 1 North Groy should eituer hnve nd.d't'd i t p ,Ol' nmm, ustice was $8,073, and he pr"ceed.ed to [Sh»SHLNOE have migS "bho comont iese or I\)o | 'l:;:ihmz.z'th" items, The over--expenditure in the } Avother item which his l\(;n frienlv'l hu-'lnf 'ltdnt. | l; ulc";un e o nicamee prtiones tho f::-fe;red . t prove was extraysgant was that of '-"4"'.;3"? e *0 | yt e_hon. ne'ntlemsn, although the mmcal!&- Board «f Health,. B'U' : beat way t"\l\ 4 l"') br Mie I n'-:u-'f :"'fls 2';311";'3[)6nded to the extent o + $9,057, 1 | partison of the cont of c.hl ;;\-v.:rmlt' h: in our m;l o' t.uf -b.]"., }_- yas for the palication B o ooanh ; | own Province was t»o compare it :v?t'{ :'n t."mf' { fare ht'f'!{?u ho 1 ie e was for tho pubtbation 1 | other Proviness or with the 1 nti h "gs ':'1 ture: uhfl' he + m-fmm' was f"-r the .pub.l(E:tllm 1 Goveryment in ():nt:\n:) lass Yeom M omigh, n'(Jwl ' of the * Readers, .and of this possibly $7,000 capita, while down in the Rm;d 'T;)n-: f;):tv" i, ""; | w',)u": bo(;elurs(ed by' t.he pu{bljfillw'ra. H_e cons | Quebec it cost 124, and in the D» #o lu\.'('n'v l gratulated the Commissioneroi PublicWorks upon Next referring t z-" Ad' 1 minion 21}. ' thnh\ctt.h:.\t therse had been an under=expenditure, * o the comparison of the and herpilumed him«elf that some of the under~ C ©08T O¥ LEGISLATION expenditurs had resuited from his protests, Rs-- 8 between 1871 and 18$4, showinz an in-- viewing the priymonts to inspectors of coloniz~ * crease of $66,769, ho stated that one luf | ation roads he asserted that nsarly seven thouss t the largest items was the imdemunity to members and dml.u's. .had been paid to men who were 1 which had incresed by $15,772 last your. | That | WX 9 $s "pf y ' was a matter over which gentiemen epposite h'c.'d I Honu, 2. F. FRASER--Hadn't you better had as much control as the (:.n'em;-ncnt I"\ t make a charge to thot effect? * the largest item of all was that for stationery )uld Mc, CARNEGIE said he was quoting from ! priating of sessional papers. Hers a"jul'he ; what transpired in the Public Accounts Commit-- would compare the cost to this l'ro'riug.; with | tee. _ He contended that the proposal to apply for , thst of tne Dominion and otheer Province an increased grant from the Dominion on ac~ The rer _ eapt'a cost in British Uu\umui!: count of population was not in the interests of the was 24} ; Manitoba, 24 ; Dominion, 134 : Quebec, || Dominion, P 13; N.# Brunswice, 94 ; Nova Seotic 8X On: | Hon. A. M. ROSS--And let the other Pro-- , | tario, Th -- In regard to our publhc msl;t,u.t,,'unqr he | viees E':t e T iitth > 3 did not know & beticr way of testing the expendi> | Mr. CARNEGIE--Let the other Provinces . ture than to compare them with similar institu» { make. it firs:, aud even -" it is made, "5 should 1 tions elsewhere. The average cost of all our | not be )m:\d.u on the question of population. _ Tf $ | asylums had been $133 per head for 18S% :' other Provinces applied, then there were Ouuru','., § while in a long list which he had prenared reprosentatives in the Dominion RHouse who , of similar instisutions outside of Ontagic i would look after the interests of Q..tarm. He ; it was $180 50. Next taking up the "u:'"m" contendat th \t.' the increase of 1884 had b:mn C of the claim which this Province had upon the || E'YP" z\cv:ordm;'\.n the basis of population of 1881. | , Dominion for the Provincial railways which the | HMon, A. ,'\I-' ROSS--No, no, _ i. afd Foderal ('..)'\um.,.;,,; had assumed control of, he ;'| talti; C';\ulr.'.\ EuIE--Yes, L think you are mis-- " | maint«imed that in accordance h the princip'e | 10re. F w | of equaity upon which rL!l:x:U(,' T:l';lfi:'t;?.l':l(::l"tx\il; | _ Mon. A. M,. ROSS--No, the subsidy was .. bused it was impossible to allow the Dominion | granted to Ontar:o and Qu«bec on the same basis 4 muthorities to grant money to Queboc for its Pro-- as that of 1878 ':"'3 this was on the ratic of debt . | vincial railways aud to refuse to do so to Ontario | * at the ':""')' of Confodr ra:nm.wnh ri-(;'unlv to _ or hers ie waited to seo what side hon. | the four old Provinces of Ontario, Quebec, Nova . gentlemsn _ opposite -- would _ take _ upon ' o purkLSn for the turopwed fi»m' on ie bh!.ls of. this question. . He did not know who popu ntmn'fux' th'o'zhruo new Provinces of Prince | ther they would _ stand up -- tor _ the ' Edward l"..'\".!!}.""".'sh Columbia, and Manitoba. . , rights of their Province or not, (Opposition | § \lr' (l'\,."' ':."'A"x"'e ho erded pSh 5 laughter. ) _ Me could tell all about it if he only ] 1834 to Ontario and Quebeq were d:"'!"(.' accun!v | knew what Sir John Macdonald told them to do | !fh? U') qs h pulation of Ontario i h"\l.' should about it Thoy joined him in all his host:ility to | i ;'l" fl"X'".'\.l l'!"{"l\;"',f'iz"\"""' for Oa'-"}'" * | this Provines, but in regeard to all our Provincial | M :.n.('. XRNXT '.1'.'.5*.' lost nssuredly. i) 1 rights the Government have been successiul, and | ... <'d b" ':.'(.':.I 5y pu:c'oednc'l to argue that it . he be'teved they would ultimately triumph on | \an'u'. i 3,"'" to . . tItS Province to ask this question. | "«:;.:" r;a'-z:"flu'- "'llehguco\:ue'hitz :'ulbsul?' n::(;fi.uid- ; % rum / | 0 &,10% PCa t s 'A 1¥ >A .\11'. CARNEGIE contandod that notwith-- | the Government supporters that ()nfnriu pald)u ¢ :}.x'.\. ng the adcitronal grant of £140,000 from | larger proportion per head of the Customs ani ; tho Dominton, une lnif n:'v'vlmv'h' we got last yoar, ! Exose dutics, After arcuing that the adminis« there bad been a deficit. ln- lr~:a~.urer'nlw had | tration of the Crown Lands Department had borrowed a quarter of a million of dollars, and | b--en defective, becauso it had oniy resulted in a . he had now no othor resource from direct tax> | net revenus of $1790,000, he moved the adjourn-- ation tu* knociing at the door of the Domimon. } ment of the debaite. ' He proceeded to assert that the railway habtiities + The House adjourned at 6 o'clock,. of two and a half maillions should be addad to m 3 & o Iy . the liabihti « of the Province. _ Under the man-- agement of the present Government, he contends= ed that it now became n (question whether they had not withdrawn all the Crown Lands officiais and given it up as an asset, so little was the net revenue danved from it. Hon. A. M. ROSS--Is that tho policy of the Opposition * Mr. CREIGHTON--Giving it back to the people. Mr. AWREY --Like they do at Ottawa. Mr. CARNEGIE, procesding, submitted that the question of the habi ity of the Province for the Indian claims should be submitted for legal settlement before the Cetails of the accounts were settied. The comparison of the Treasurer, he contended, had been unfair hecause he had taken i the co«t of maintemanzs, and had omitted the | items respecting the building of them. Who built the lunatic asylum at Loudon, the institus z tions at Bslleville and Bcantford, aad other plac»s but the Sandfic!d Macdonald Government? | T«--king the amount of money recaivad by this | (Government, that by the Sandfisid Macdonald ; Government, and the roceipts of the two Gov-- | eraments, this (Government could not necount | for over seveon millions of dollars of the people's | money. -- He contonded that last year's adminis-- tration of this had afforded the spectacle of the l larzest over--expenditure ever seen in this or any Provgincs. -- Tase Provinee, he said, was approach= inz the time when the surplus would be gone and direct taxation staring us in the iace. The overs expanditures last veer wore really $261,000, He recoliected in 1871 when only $20,000 was taken for unforescen and unprovided for, and this had been exceeded. Mz,. Biaks bad put on record a motion in the Public Accounts Committee con-- demning the over--expenditure. In the matter of inspec ion of insurance companie«, tl)a'umiy'r- exponditure was stated to be $2,518, when in point of f«et, with the $3,000 receivod from in« | surance _ companies, . thero was an . &¢-- | tual deficit of $481. Reforring to _ the | over--expenditure, he _ said $29,064 --related | to legisiation, and of this §8,220 goes to sessional \ writers. The repairs and maintenance of the contre part of the buildings cost $l.'n,li._\'0. mt ovOrl | expenditure of over ten thousand doliars, $3,975 | for incniture and finishings, $1,584 for carpets, avd for the addition to tho House $2,000, on acs | count of the cun;mc; which was not included in | n takan last session. ! thih',:_m(,'. F. X~'l(;\SEl!{*'l'txo item certainly was | voted eithor in the estimates or the supplemen-- tary estimato«.