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' one. He said also that I . en " _ _/ they were doing wrong. 'H& ho{g that they were f made ap plionstions tor "G ;. nl.'w -ome{penom ment in imiminent danger of destruction by fire, [ bound to get the views 0 'e on':g upon any * ' poses of specula'ic mber licenses for purs many of which could hardly be replaced, or at | question of importance such as this, On the . | i ation. any rate not without great expense. -- The chief | other band, the Opposrition had a divided policy f R NEW PARLIAMEXNT BUILDINGS, question was, Had they the money togo on with | with regard to this matter. While the member $ . The debate on now Parliameont Building new buildings ? Tge hon. fi'roasurer had | for East Toronto was in favour of the erection of tm\tfodhk se son* .| isgld y thefm lt.h::st the _ Province _ had t new buildings, and hoall beli;ved Gwould sin= f Mr. ODK P 6¥ \-- a surplus of nearly seven millions. -- He thought, | cerel co--operate wit the overnment, @ wished to kap%mt:;':;:,u:,;' ;2:%;?5?::':'. | thereiore, the worl: should be gone on with, imi the p);licy of lt'}.le leader of the Opposition was | f one between the City of Toronto, the Govfirn. | he azreed with the leader of the Opposition, tuat | against the erection of new buildings when he ment, and the Opposition. Hacharged the Com | when it was undertaken, buildings such as would | was in the west _ He (Mr. Waters) at the first f missioner of Public Works with not being serious be a credit to the Province should be erectea. | meeting during the last election in his own rid= i -- when he Pfofiosod the grant of $300,000 for Me repeated that this question should not be | ing, had the honour of meeting that hon. gentle-- ' 4 Parliament Buildings, as ho wolt knew that ,tl?::'t made a party cne. They all: a{imitted that new | man, and he held forth strongly the fact thai he : sum would be insufficient. He did not know tlhat | buildings were required, and when the (Governs | (Mr. Waters) had supported the erection of new ' the externals of the buildings need have an aiverso | ment were right it was the duty of the House to | buildin influence on the people's education throu:h the | FUPPO*t them. _ He was going to voiefor new | _ Mr. it!:iORRI'S stated that he was going to & people of Toronto, _ 'They need go no farther | buildings because he believedthey were necessary, | voto for the amendment o6 the hon. member for $ than Massachusetts, where, in Boston, --the and because, on the assurance of the Government, | Bruce, and repeated his statemont that the | @ had quite as ordinary buildings as these, an 1 h{ thers was a sufficient surplus to warrant the | Government were fully charged with thelresponsi~ ; $ had yet to learn that ths State fiuildln s work being undertaken, ; | bility, Constitutionaliy the leader of the Op-- § there had not hat a bad effect on the g:m,.gc Mr., McINTYRE did not think the Govern-- | position had taken the proper course. . taste of the people of Massachusetts. Again he | ment should assume the responsibility of erecting | ' Mr, MURRAY did not know what scheme | charged the Government with not being serious | rew buildings merely by virtue of a party vote in | would suit the Opposition unless the Government | 3 inasmuch as they had brought down an abstract | favour of them, and if they were going :o do so, | had gone so far as to have let the contracts | proposition which did not msan anything. If | he would voto »gainst them. _ It was a question | and ouly proposed to allow the House to vote I the Government were serious why did t.hpv. not | 92 which both sides of the House should unite, | the money. Ha defended the Government from -- go on with the buildings ? So faras he was con~ and if the Government had not more than a mss | the charges of cowardice and of shirking responsi-- $ cerned he was going to vote against the motion jority of their own supporters, the work should | vility. Hse did not see how e'ther of these f as in his estimation the (Government must alone not be gone on with. F charges could fitly fall upon the Government, as | assume the responsibility for the new buildings. Mr, --WOOD was . prepared to support || they had done all that could be done, _ Repre-- | b M:r. O'CONNOR--I don't propuse to give a a proper scheme when it came down in a proper || seating a rural constituency, he would go as far | silent vote, representing as I have the houour to | '"*""°" t"t wgh the constitutional channels by 1' as $750,000 or $800,000 for the purposes of new | 6 do, perbaps the largest rural constituency in the ige A etoagy government was chrvied on, He i| Pdwosgnt liml('lmzs. > rg | 1 Province--a constituency in ali probability as im -- had no hesitation in saying new buildings were [ Mr, CLANCY ventuted the assertion that if P portaut as auy other constituency, and concern-- necessary, but the Ctovernment should take the || the ersction of new I_'arllameut Buildings were f ed on this matteras much as any other in the responsibility, and he cordially agreed with the || one from which the Governmment could get glory - Province, with the possible exception of Torouto, leader of the Upposxt.m'n in the position that he ' in the Province, they would not let the Oppos:-- It appoars to me that the erection of new public had taken in maintaining thls.' It ssemed to him | tion take any of it. In a word the Opposition | e buildiugs ought not to be looked on as one afoct-- gnlemfiod on the vart of the Government to en~ | was asked to sign a blank cheque, while there | jog only the City of Toronto, It is & direct | 488Y°4" to shirk this responsibility. If they | should be m clear and definite plan before the Provinc:al qusstion, and not at all a city of | made a proposal to expend a million of dollars on | House, px> 1p1 Fiouk mt Toronto question, Were it mersly a qussiion | vpvil buiidings he was prepared to vote for it, and Mr. AWREY--The present question isf one t affecting the city I would vote against the erection | i the Commussioner of Public Works took the | which ought not to be approached from a party of new Parliament Builaings. 1 am of the opinion | same psins to bring down a scheme as he did | standpoint, or with personal feelings Represent« § of John Sandfieid Macdonald, aud 1 dou't ~ee before when they were asked to vote $500,000 for | ing a rural constituency, yet E have sufficient , what the city of Toronto have done for Reform Parliament Buildings, he had nodoubt he would | faith in the intelligence of imy constituents to that the Roform party should go out of its way to be able to bring down one which would be satis-- | believe that they are prepared to sanetion ti:» do anything for the city of Poronto, Lst To. factory, and which might be endorser by both | orsction of new buildings--bar'dings suitable tor . ronto look to their own friends whom thu'y'h'svu wides of the House. .. the wants of the Province, and commensurate supporbed so° many,. yeats for . the Tavours : Mr, PHELPS considered that this was a ques-- i with the importance of Ontario. Hence I give | tHhey may want, Itis decidedly a strange state tion which shou'd be viewed without any refer-- | my assent to the proposition now hefore the | hC sffairs whou we find.' When & nintlef afbve up ence to politics. -- 'They alt condemned the presont | House. I believe that the Legislature in 1880 in which the city of 'Toronto is so closely con-- buildings, _ but the Oppositmion _ desired | gave a proposition of the kind now before the cerned,that the gentliemeo who should be friends °1 the country _ to make _ the erection |. House,when the leader of the Oppo.--icvion took the of the" city are the parsons most anxious to of mew, olptt . qnuosfon' . t isE the Gov. |; groundthat the paople had ; beengnmulted, and deprive Toronto of the benchts arisgidg Irom new eramont. It was proper first to expnross our || that they should be consuited. Since that time 1.,pl- nent Buildi There is L. % b 11 | Smnmions upon the nscassity and expadiency Of | they have been consulted, and as the psople can a Par l'an.L'flLi l.n( ings. 6 n'((;p 18 no\ oubt nf. f',l going on with }lm work, but he would suggest / only give their opinion through th=ir represent-- '11"\ my mind that new buildings are necessary. that after gaining the consont of this House the \ atives, then the Government is right in taking e he able lpe,ccu 'n.ud strong arguments of the | G.nvormnent shoulid mulko a statement that the " this manner of ascertaining what the wish otf the ® member for Hamilton convince me completely, | finances of the Province would not be | people is L 'believe there is n conseusus of e and h:) made out !m case almost perfectly that | crippled by undertaking tho work. He believed | spinion in the Province that it is necessary to i new Parliament Lu:l«lmgs\m'c required, that the | that if it was decided to go on with 'the work the [ construct new buildings. I believe thit these present buildings are not fit for their purpose, and | buildi ; , Fnnus Ihat * they" : aro --uol.. npprourinto for -- this | gnidings buildings are not a credit to the Provines of 1\51.Inl;ly.- Bcforse ; the ]'.':'".l gunLJen;a!I sat | SHIOULD XOT BK RUSHEN I Ontario, for Provinces with far less resources, in down 1 made up my miad to vots for | through, but that their completion should be ex-- | a much poorer new Parliament Baiidings whon a proper scheme } t»:;nleJ over a period of f:'gm five to eight yeirs , FINA NCIAL POSITIOX®, ; comes down. --I wiil go still further and say thas | A'ter they were commenced in ordet that they t in ts s wWa%i | f I would advise the Government, as a mxm{ortcr. | might be built substantially. HMs did not think | and having no such influence o the .ifl'nu:s of the | f L » h » l UU® | Dominion, have buildings which reflect credit and offer the suggestion that I would not lose they could be built for less than $800,000 or | uson them and Canada. Ontario alons of all the | one solitary vots for the sake of crecting now | $1,000,000, for he believed when new buildings | ofjepy . siBUuL ) p # | o o C m t t hk a | others able to build a suitable Parliament House, | Par.iamont Buildings in Toronto. 'Ihe buildings | Were put up they should be a credit to the Pro-- | alone financially _ unembarrassed slone | may be required, but it is not a burning question. | Y!4¢> }!5 would have preferred that the hon. with _ a surpius the most 'cnar (;g_ic | We can stand it as long as gentlemen on the | Meinber for South Brucs (Mr. O'Connor) should | wign ho prospect of an increased revenuegfrou'x | other sale of the House can. Again 1 say | not have moved his amendments in order that eular,ed""mwmes certainly this Province is en-- ] thas I would not risk ons constituency for th« | thero might have been a straight vote on the | gitjs:to buildings of ;,mmgme $ roportious and | ' . sake of the new Parliameont Buldings. _ While | GUostion of going on with the work, If they had | propitectural beagxt T'lie char Lh:':s Desn made | 1 6 the affairs between the Province and the Domin. | to borrow money for the undertaling he aid not that the Gu\'ernmez.' has abuc"a&;.ed its fuuctiuz?ae | ' & ion are not settled it would be dangerous to take | think he was prepared to vote for that. but this should not .i)u made B ; hon. centiemen | > any risk at all in the matter. We alt know that . ¥r. WATERS thought he would be stultify: . onposite, for if we look at th 3 Gov.ef moent at | P Sit John Macdonald has donos his utmost to | NC lmseif in his own estimation and in that of ()'Ll' wa we-- shall find that wh:n it mn 1tn fl:' | 1 I frustrate the Government of this Provinces, thosd who sent him hers if he voted ngainst the _ o nroal ualy rentlimg The | ' 8 _ + A i atier submission of. an lusolvency Law, affecting the | is -- doing his _ utmost to hinder the Iotion of the hon, member for Hamiiton, bes whole Dominion, and dealing with the interests | Provines 0 in -- the -- administration -- of her Cause five years ago ho supported a motion for y nSDTC n ran'l | a lear ts $ i treps of all our merchants, the question is referred to a | license law ; that he has kept Outario out of the | the evrection of Parlinment Buildings, He was of committee, _ And 80 upon the Boundary report | < terr:tor awarded hbor, and that ho has the opinion that they were noeded then and he t j i | ¥ tE i t * ~ r and the Liconse question, these woere submitted | done all which can bs done to _ cripple WAS 80 Still Ho was in entire ignorance about to a commnitteo, and we have never heard from | Ontario. If, then, 1 say, all the differences wh:'mt was now proposed, bocause no scheme was hon'ineinbers o'pposit,e that the Government has | between the Dominion and the Provinces, brought down by the Government, and when ; ,; ; 1 f ; Whig | o o 4 T & abnegated its functions in this respect. 'This were settled, then such a motion could be dealt | 0@ was brought down, then he would be pre-- Governthsut inust nssumo the responsibility of ; with in a different manner, but as affairs are I | Pared to vote for or against it 'There were two ; s o the s le* omitedto! n K e . e ULET the matter ; the scheinc;must be submitted to the would not take a single risk for the| O" three ways of providing money for these H ti nsibllity of the (CHoverniment i ; reiltting T« C ; t buildings, One was to take the total amount "o oneed remnernat the i thimks who Rormey for l parpose of beneiitting Torouto, New Parhament | PW!C n oD T Re and every member of the House who votes for | Buildings are a necessity, and so in crder to test, Which they would cost out of the motion wili be quile as froe to criticize the plan | E the sincerity of the loader of the Opposition and | THE CASH SURPLUS as if he voted against it The resciution in | so as to prevent him by his amendment °""-'i"'g: of the Province, another to use the trust funds _ iny mind doos not express the position any too a yote on the "'..'Mh'ht' question, I propose to' the Dominion held for the Province, or another strungly, and I don't think that anyone who has | move the following amendment to the amend=] t, jsaqe debenture®. 'The course of the | read it carefuily and is expressinghis honest con-- | ment ;:-- | Government with regard to this question was | viction upon it, can refuse to vote for it | " Alithe words after the first word 'that' in the | perfectly justifiabie. 'They proposed a few years | / Mr. LbASKERVILLE thought there was neces-- | u'.e"'d'_'"";' be 0("'1'""'.1* ""':'"";'"t*)d mgrlzolft?.i::: | ago to this House a fair soheme for the eroction | sity formew buildings and the present time a good | m;:{'::','\'.';,f:ffil ('.'.é:ewwff;i, '."_i.'\n?, :'hf,, l'louse is ' of Parlhament Buildings. They were supported, | one to build them, but still the rosolution should | @ prepared to consider any reasonable scheme for he thought, unanimously by their own supporters | come from the Government. He was atrard that | the erection of new Parliament and Departmental! and the members of the Opposition with regard | if the Opposition voted for the resolution they | p | Buildings.'" to this question then. It was well known that | wouid leave themselves open to the same taunts | '" Mr., NEELON looked at the question as one that schome could not be carried out for the | which had been heaped upoun them with respect | ' entirely removed from politics, and consider Amount that was voted for the purpose,. 'The | tothe Boundary resolution. . | ed that _ the (Government _ should _ not| (¢overnment since had been accused of abdicat-- Mr., MoMAHON could quite understand the l take any responsibility more than as ordinazy | iD§ their functions by getting one of their triends | position of the members for 'Foronto, and he would t members they all took. All the mombers of the: to make a motion such as this for the mere pur-- not be surpnsed at them being highly pleased f MHouse were cqually rosponsible for their own pose of ontrapping members of the Opposition. He | in supporting a vote f'fl'l' $500,000 more than has _ votes, and he should vote for new buildings in thousht the Government were right in pursuing a | @Already been voted. They all knew that new f full view of his responsibility, and as quite ready C¥utious policy, because it involved the expondi-- Parliament Buildings were necessary. . 'Taking to answer for his voto to his constituency. _ 1t ture of a large amount ot money. Their policy everything into consideration he sheuld support any member hada friend from a distance visit= had been deciared and the amendment by the member for Brucs. | ing him in Toronto, he would be ashamed to tell WaAs WELL UNDERSTOOD, Air, WHITE took fire years ago the position p him that these were the Parliament Buildings 0f ang the fact of the moml;er for Hu;nilton bring. | that he was about to take now, namely, that the tue Province. -- This chamber was good enough, jn~ in this motion was no indication that tr:o rural constituencies are not favourable to the | but the remainder of the rooms would not COM @Government were fishing to discover the views of project of new Parliainent Buildings and that j pare favourably with those of a poorhouse, 'There the House, But even it they woere, he asked if | tbe vcople shouid beconsuited before new build-- were valuable papers in the Crown Lands Depart-- | Y * ings should be erected.