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ing his statement as to his position that when the Government coame down with a definite proposition he would give it a fair consideration on its merit«. o e i o ho o Hou. C. F. FRASER--Several members of the Opposition have given us their reasons for veting against the motion I. can well understand the position ot the hon. meomber for North BEssex (Mr, White). His ground is astraight, plain, and square dissent from the motion,. He does not\ believe that now Parliament Buildings are neces-- sary, and even if he had any opinion that they aro necessary be would still contend that the people should be consulted before he would com-- mit himself so far as voting for a motion of this kind. I say T can quite understand that position. I can understand any member acting in that manner who thinks the present buildings are filted for the wants of the Government and Par-- liament, considers them suitable for the rank of the Province. dnd who wants no better, I --can _ faily _ understand a _ meimber having these views cailing upon members | who think differentiy, who think that tho pre-- | sent buildings are not suitable to the Province, are unhealthy. and not adequate to the wants of the Government. to give pluace to him, and allow him to come on this side of the House. _ But 1 didn't think he was going to give notice of eject-- mont on such n groun<!, because tas firs; member it would reach would be the member for 'Toronto | East (Mr. Morris); than he wou'ld next reach th member for Torouto Wast (Mr. Ciark«), in u,% | saine way, ana he, in effvct, talls thoss geatlie: men to get ou ; it is heaithly enough for us, and it ouzht to be healthy enough for you, and if yull Lluggx differently, then you have no part wul:! and devious paths, We have roai in the nows-- papers what the Parliament at Ottawa have been discussing. -- They were discussing the abstract quostion of compensation to distiliers and browers, and that is a question very much larger and more responsible in the way of money than this,and yet "ponsioimiy and that they should not ask the House to vote upon the motion. _ Yet he pro= poses to ask the opinion of the House upon a proposition of this kind ; it is desirable, in view of the much larger rate paid by school secltions in new parts of the Province than by those in older pnrtu." that turther provision should be woo i oT is 1 . AND RESPONsSIBILITY assUMED ' by the CGGovernment. Yet while he asked those sitting on the 'Treasury benches to vote for is motion, he says, " Lam not prepared to | deal with your plan until all the details of tho scheme are b fore me." I would like to know howl the hon. member tor Dunda: (Mr. Broder) is yoing to reconcile that resolution of his with his attitnde to«day. 'Then there is my hon. friend the inember for North Hastings ~(Mr, Wood),| who admits that the baildings are not in koep-l ing with the character of the Province, but says that this is an eabstract qusstion, He does not know what is the intention of the Gomrnmont,' that the Government should assume entire re. «ponsibility and that they should not ask the, House to vote upon the motion. _ Yet he pro~! Volunteers of 1887--88, residing in the Provincs of Ontario, for ths vaiuable services they render-- od in defonce of their country at that tiune." tle not only puts upon record an abstract pro-- position, but says that the Government ouzht to assume the responsibility of proncuncing upon a plan bofore it is submitted to them. He willi ask the Government to pronounce upon that, It that motion is carried public money would be spent,. And if the motion before the House is passed there wi!l not bo any money spent till the scheme is brought down», a plan formulated, tor themselvos ; they are hatching out constitu-- tional chisckens which will come home to roost. Their leader asks them to say "nay" to this mo-- tion--not because he is opposed to it on principle, but on the ground that it is an abstract proposition, and that the House ought not toa be called on to pronounce upon an abstract proposition until the Government comes down with a definite pian. Now, let us see how that wou'ld work here. I think my hon. friond, the member for Dundas, has in his mind to ask the HMouse in some way to express its opinion upon an abstract proposition; just in the same mannsr as this motion we are now doebating, and as to which the Governtnent will have the same re-- sponsibility as thhs. Mrc., MEREDUTH --No, no, Hoa, C. E. FRASER--Well let us see whether it is so or not. it is his intention to ask the Mouse to vote upon this:--*"'Tnat in the opinion of this House it is oxpediont that the Government should make some suitable recogmnition to the us." _ Aud so with my hon. friends, the m:mber} for West York (Mr., Giray), and the mambr for the Limastone City (Mr. Motea'ie) 1 vant tu' call attention to a notice of . motion \-.Tn has beaen given by a prominent mamber ot 1# Jppos sition, and I want to say that hoo. gsntlemsan in opposing the motion before the House are put-- ting M.. MEREDTTH had 18 QGUIDING HIXM in ROD3 IN PICKLE BAD wars ion in repeat-- uP tbA Tss 1 S d sA c t c +1A S i lon. G. W. ROSS explained that th provided for chiuidren between the a; and sixleon, -- Ils was adopting a unif through the Bill. 'The number attend over sixteen was not very large, and | think it would make anvy inconvenience E7 COs Bd CC mms eNd . TeeRtecd as it provides that no Section shall be formed which contains less than 50 actual resident chil~ dren, between the ages of five and twenty--one. lon. G. W. ROSS explained that the old law provided for chuidren between the ages of five and sixteon, -- 1ls was adopting a uniform ago through the Bill. 'The number attending school over sixteen was 310t very large, and he did not 1 COs Mb F pnvien, menes | Coudatdot; .4 ETTE it\ W P atnitet P l lthe.intccdcads 21210319 and _ amend _ the _ Public _ Schools Act. Soctionssl to 8, relating to title, detinitions, and being mere consolidation of the existing Acts, were -- passed, Section 10 is somewhat ot a change from the present law inasmuch as it providei't.!mb no Section shall be formed nediehia ho sc ed ooo CA ioi en pime o oeniie YEas--Messre. Awrey, Badgerow, Balfour, Bal-- lantyne, Baxter, Bishop, Biezard, Cald well, Cas caden, Chisholin, Clarke (Torouto), Cook, Dill Dowling, _ Dryden, Ferris, Fraser, Freceman Gibson (Hamilton), Gibson (Huron), Gillies Gould, Graham, Gray, Hagzar, Harcourt, Hardy, Laidiaw, Lees, Meintyre, MacKenzie. McKim McLaughlin, MeMahon, Master, Metcaife, Morin, Morris, Mowat, Murray, Nesion, U'Connor, Par-- dee, Phoips, Rayside, Hoss (Huron), Ross (Mid dl::soxl. Hills, Snider, Waters, Widdifield. Young --92, Nayvs--Messrs. Baskerville, Blyths, Brereton, Brodor, Carnegie, Clancy, Denison, Ermatinger, PFeli, French, Hammeli, Hart, Hoss, Hudson, Kerns, Kerr, McColman, MclGihee, McKkuay, Mere-- dith, Merrick, Monk, Morzan, Mulholland, Pres-- ton, Rohillard, Ross (Cornwaii), White, Wilmot, Wood --3. The House in Committee, Mr. Bxter in the chair. THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS AOCT. Hon. G. W,. ROSS--The Bill to consolidate e oo 0 ce 2 PA L404 uo member of the House has said that the House is not at liberiy--without knowing what the plans of the Governimnent are--to discuss thd proposi~ tion, If this motion is amended as 'Fropoud by the amondment,. it will read :--*"That in the opinion of this House the present Parliament and Departmental Buildings are not unfit for occupa-- tion by the Legislature, are not inadequate to the requirements of the Public Service, are in keoping with the resources and position of On-- tario as the premier Province of the Dominion, and that this House is not prepared to consider any reasonable scheme forthe erection of new Pavliament Buiidings." Now, I wish the hon. gentlomen _ joy ot their _ vote, I wish them joy of their vote which will stul-- titly thein, and go against their conviction. Lct those do so who choose, Let gentlemen who are not prepared to express in & fair and straights forward manner their honest convictions, vote for the amondment of the hon, momber for Lons don. As for the responsibility ; the enutire responsibility will remain where it ought to--on the Government after the House expresses it\ opinion. _ But it does not follow that even if this resolution is carried the House will ever consent to the arection of new Pariiament Buildings, Mr. MEREDITH--Hear, hear. HMon. C. F. FRASER----The hon,. gentleman may say hear, hoar, -- But suppose this resolution is carried, it does not absolutely follow that anything will directly follow. We are not gomg to get by it a blank cheque, and wao will not be entitled to take any delinite step under this rosolution until we first come to the House and say here is a Hon. C. F. FRASER--As far as the responsi-- bility of tho Government is concerned it makes no difference whether the motion is carried or _ not. I am glad be mado the in-- terruplion for I can explain our position with respect to thia motion,. The Government never sugwested in any shape or way that this motion should be _ submitted ; we never, either _ directly -- or _ indirectly, _ suggested that such a resoiution should be put upm paper, but ever if we had I contend that it would not have been any unusual courss of procedure. Tho Government at Ottawa is in the habit of secking the opinion of the House in this manner upon questions, and I venture to say that it would not be anything unusual if the Gov-- ernimnent at Ottawa had sought to obtain the opin-- ion of the Ho--use upon the question of compensa-- tion to distillers and brewers by a motion by a private member. -- Let us consider what was done in 1880. A good deal has been said about what was done then, and that it is not necessary to make a new aflirmation now that new Parlia-- ment Buildings aro necessary. In answer to this I say that we navea new House, and what the House might think then it might not thinlk now. After the lapse of iive years the Govern-- ment said not to go on without asking ne opinion of the House, when practically nothing has been done in the imeantime under its resolution of 1889. Again, when the House has expressed its opimmion, will the respousibility be cast on the Government to carry out the wish of the House ? Mr. FRENCH attempted to clear the member for Dundas from the charge of inconsistency in proposing & resolution for an abstract proposition when he refused to vote for the present motion. THE DIYI3TION. A division was talen on the amendment to the amendment by Mr. O'Connor with the following result--52 yeas, 30 nays :-- 9 anvd schems» for the erection of these buildings. Then for the first time the House will be catled upon to consider this question in its details, and the ways and means. _ ___ _ \ Mr. MEREVITH --Why do you want the mo-- tion carried ? AFTER RECESS. A DEPINITE PLAN consolidate On sections 13 and 14, referring to the queliG, cation of trustees and electois, Hon, t o W ROSS said he had found there were many e.'ca". lent trustees and electors slong the l\menca'n border, and that in the rural districts there were many Germans who made useinl trustees, and he now proposed to strike out the rovision that school trus'ees and cloctors Hlll~t?)0 un\);eciu ut ' Hr Mijesty by birth or naturalization, leaving | the clauses as thoy stood in the old law. Bection 23 was amonded by adding " or any Justico of the Peace," providing that trustses shall make their deciaration of office either be-- fore the Cnairin\in of the schoo! mesting or any Justice of the Peaco." Bection 25 wais umended by atrikinz out the words ""and of the School Inspector," which mukes it only necessary that uny trustes of u rural school 'section may resign with the consent in writing of his collea ues in office. The Bill was ameaged to S--ction 39 and the Committee reported. The House adjourned at 1015 Bections 18 to 22 were passed with in amend -- ment in the 2ist referring to the form of des claration when a voter is cbjected to by striking ont the 3zd clause. * 'Phat I am a subject of Her Msjesty cither by birth or naturaliz i n." djourned at 10:15.