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linen: are in eve way 'snitsble, . _ - a u " n it then mantel buildings. .1110. Uentrnl rut-on cost 2312"" will elwnye be en 'i'id'a. to have tt:rg,,z,,ttt',g't'i,','J,'dat' 'i,f'tm','t'i"t is not 8580.000 and the University of Toronto $350,000, the Model and Normal Schools together under iiit at t oo high a, fltruro to say tut this block of I give these fieure so that the House will see T one roof, the Educstion Department should is land if oat into'the market would reelize 8300,. and the country will 39. that m "090st to ' retained where it is endso sure theatre expense. ll 000 . _. spend on behalf of the Province 8750,- Bat "an if rooms for the Education Dcpsrt- ', Mr MORRIS-what done the Assessment 000 for new Psrhsment Buildings we went had to be provided for in the new building, Commissioner put upon it? srenctmg with that due regard for economy ' the extra expense would not be Very great and Hon 0 l? FRAS CR-The Anesgment Com. which line always characterized the Government . would not be sutlicient to warrant the House to missioner. ii, Maugham in 1880 estimnted the proposals, and that we orb milking a proposition .: hesitate in authorizing the amount necessary. It ironia' e (in iiUiTTGa Ut $150 per foot, carry. that the people of the Province can wall afford to 1' would only require the addition of a few tnor? in" will: the lots half the distancoto Wellimstou. sanctum. There " .onlr Weather mutter to rooms, sad the extra cost would not. 'be at all iiiiu',1 m as to give the lots an equal depth on mention, and that is P relation to the funds. l serious. The Government's '",o,r,"e1t/oe is to the ta"; streets. This would give 8143,500, tsnd The Government does meet Ott6 of the" 2otdi'gl','i,t 1a'etr1,'s"",'oia't', l the \V'ellington-street front he placedI tf/ret: Nor woman TO BORROW ANY MONEY .. to " wtis 1 ..' . ko out . . . . .' te"'),),','.'";');';,',.", built according to either of J,"11'ia "tom" fhig'2liii baiizvgiid L',' a". for the erection of the buildings. During the these designs will cost. When the House to t IB ,",'r'i'li . g th mark Mr. Close in current. voar-and the proposal is to proceed at , t i 1880 to in an largely wit im 6 . - ' l once wish the erection of the buildings if the "Red thas G'oeernmen n ttl . the same year valued the land at $281,000, and I I! .. ... , . estimate of the cost of the proposed buildings, Mr '9iht'i"iiCv' valued this land at a total of I w:- ": Houdini-i half) ':',yti,.e/r.-tly.'. ag',',')?'; lirorios- I the Government were not in a position to give 533 Gd so that I am "my within the mark in ill l, t iv: , trialling: L; 7:- ..ll: M It)? 5-. -22190te (any . .- ." e . . batman: mini: ii i ad trial " 5 . l " A CORRECT ESTIMATE. I culling tlint $500,000 can be realized from "r, .pitete t 'vit m Completed within three years from . -PT¢"°"' tsiteif.it were placed m the market. n the time the cont k . d lad d In the estimates which I am now able to lay be- addition to that by the Act of 1880 there was t . rec. is name l. a so. ' i, tio s have been taken that . ' -l the contact will cell for their completion within fore the Holt 6 precau n . _ not anal-t to be sold sniecenf land in the westei y thr 0 Pry CR "nd while I _ mm), "m to say that there should bu, no ttxtra.R. We s'vst"red ior truv.iers part-oi the city. and" the proceeds to go towards ii _ llla'b" 'i,',', cr.. l 15 "'f ' f. 1?S'h to re- for the N'i-ctlhli ot Buildings cccordin.: to the, two the erection of new Parliament Buildings. It was tis. w; Il Emu", "f /i' , a"). '.'l I' the g"... pians which 1 have mentioned, and l liropmo to mtiinated then that the land ought to be worth "la": Iy Ill.'. ywour " l' {Ag} "J e0 le ' 3f give the House the iesult of the actual an. my, .m. new and if that be so it would realize I U, ""l, 1,'s'tt I'.i lit lily [,"t,elt,1',1 2'1 38': N If, ilwith- I tenders received, so that tho House may see that 291-50 000 If f am richt in assuming then that I thisL .rluvmce'sw i'2'/' is 'el/l,,',',?'),",',';',',))',"')',':, ex- in making for this sum we are Ruskin" for a sum tho In"? Parliament Buildings could be erected I "townie "Tat 'i: ii Jf"% to o '0. ti t col: the I that will be unable for the elf'cctIIm oliIit-so built;- ml, b'750,000, that, we could sell this mte for I 11ndel'i'l'di',' gilt "/,)"ld,'uoTd'y'"tlll'l'i"'l'i'/f' ba in , all? yc'g.o,i'ithoe/ on): "Litlt)'t',1sp agardmé $330,000 and the n acres of land for 8150,000, tttut/L. I mu {moored br.t.lus Treasurer that ye to the plan of Messrs. Gordon & Hollis. THE REAL COST or THE NEW BUILDINGS I anticipates y.Y..tt':cy,y. idea thiitblie wtll rlire ht well we received ten dilla'ent tenders tothe Province would only be 8450,000, I wish I :ppoi'nted will:lawstie-iiutiiltlsmbhxeianfibril-fighting. from contractors. all of_wliom were men of Uh"' I ir, t b remembered because althouizh 8750,s o t l),u.ll30 i l at. L l . ii il,' Ci perience and all h'naneisly able to underl: he If,'..)." e y,'. "I . . '1: id for the ereation of the the 1 WWW)!» f vluebee, HY this {OH-109. an this work ltn'l wil.ing to undrrtake it, so that (le/il,',',.':.,',,'.")",'),', $1111": ut up by as actual ex- that when tins settlement," rencliel.'l we 'ttll be l they were in every respect the louder: or fuss i III "3;?" 300300 000 'lltd' cost will be then entitled to " sum no, less t ran a. milieu l muzzle] el " ttten. l hill 11S'pod,'t'l'l,'C'i'a of the land in the west. IS" :21"; dy/',ae,11t',ud,eh..l"r mining t tat w [ l, _ ( P..-'?' ' vii! Meal C' or 't"' ' . . " e " "" Ir. . ""11: if Elihu? 2'11: Ill?) l ll ll 1 " l fo I 'lil?:, tpruh'l,1 mozgggd, beoause it ll really an I lit.'." "h'd,"'iff,',", Mild "kw-"a not te,'," 22f tell,',', .. ' "r's' yiit C-- t, 'e.,', .-.g ZL.-.;-u is man- " " , . . . i sttpporttite 'ovi-rnmnn in a me, or ore re laugh drilling" dial", H). 1Ult ll-lz- '.. .:i l,., r silo;- I yi1ui,tc,a.'a1k's)lv.'-l?C'. " the land situated that "U"? tt he 'ht' 1u't?/trt',dteAt, the mall?" tlot',' than those. l""-'-rl tho,o tcn "Fir-1 u.ud l' "t '1 ,' . now men rough . e ore if: ouse. e ii 0 It'll: min of 30m Lot Tim..- fivo, were tvr.rrvetive y II Anlm' G. rl,'), FRtASPffglfmlg Slims/high it: in reference to this matter Just where he stood for 3542.000. 3556.000. 3578.003. 8380.000. :LIHl l "Y um, 18 par'. o ' d . four years ago, and he only regretted that . ," ' 'nt'. ' In" it sA'A "we t, Mt tis namo "f t " " Mower Institution " erected. Without educt the Government had not gone on with the work L,. t "Ill in on for .1th this last tender is Mr. ll ing that the cost would be about $450,000, .or lf I so that the Parliament tntght now have been m A' a c, " Manning. 'l'imthrca nes', higltet'xvs've I you deduct the value of that land, winch is prsssmmiotr of buildings suitable for the Province. :, "or 57%.!in in inr, renseccisvly $317,009 $li|ll,~ I "male" to the Province us far as it " at WHOM l He ired no doubt when the tenders came in they l" i. trv! 366300;). Two t-mde-s ex3»olled I used, the cost would be its 1 have stated. I would amount to less than those offered in 1880. Swat" J, but "Hm, vseorl,ri $50,000, so tlmt lilo ' think, therefore, under these_ circumstances He tyrultl not understand how any one could be ',,wrr,t tt't', "T wa3 tot' 5311300 ttttf the highest ll tho V'ovtrnmeu.t may very fairly ask the opposed to the erection of new buildings, and he f- r L-Z'ix'ltniii. ii Hrnletr, m view of the .fee.l.it.yt through" was satisfied also that the people of the Province Mr. L',,tt_olJrlil--Wero they all offers based on I out the Prownce that. these buildings are.not svould be in favour of the erection of new build. the <I'lllll lulnil'.' II such so are suitable to the needs_oi the Province in "4. He w" prep nred to sustain most heartily Mr. svltArr'.R ~Yos, as for as I have been or bring any credit to the Provinetr--to say that "nil cordialv the motion before the House, be- .liEn 1:) unit this out, these ten we" tenders ll the proposal is "will"? the House can accept. hevintr that-he was not alone in his view even 112:: Be- in: the rrci: ion of the buildings accoidiiig II To Show that there Is ttO 'sxtraryrjulet 1n the amongst the Unlimition. lo UM awn. The other plrm Weir" nine vrop"APty I tv.ill quote fittures whieh, C"' tha Mr. MEREDITH diilered from Mr. Morris in 1: ll Zl-r: llllirii. of wich were W the H'im' pets I cost of State, city, and court house buildings. I his views on the question. He did not think that ', .114, T:uvu out oi the nine ixetsed 360100), a need not tttetttirsgt the 0055 of the Government ', Mr Fraser had mide out a trusts--first, " to the WW 'l"-"- "HWY two respectively, 8ii12,000, Buildings at Ottawa, as It would be no fair necivsvity for the biiildiiitu not: that the (unis MEL"; 0 ill, $626,000. Three others did not exceed ctutctim as to what oustht to bs spent by. tho iiiiTiif provided without 'iiiiiiid, the finances, frrr,,t all, tlov were for $703,000, $710.00), and Province, but the small State of Connecticut, and tliirdi alto tke site He iiiuiiiiu to criti- ,~,'.'ll (Jot). Su'lllztt six 0"th tho niuo tender: 113* 'srirrirrurs at Hartford, whieh cost 82,500,000; l eir.o the {tgtamnn't that $125000 to 8150 000 the lliol's't'xpt'llslva design did not exceed I the North Carolina State If,t.sild.ing.s at R?l.tiglt willi'd he needed for the erection oi anew wing .C.V;,'v'utJ. Tho lowest, t01'2,000, witig by a C in" cost $530,000; the. Stem of Illinois has building" for the crown Lands Department and be quoted pctn'..r:rtn able to carry out the work. wnieh If at Spritvglield costing 832500900: the ye, Build- tho records of tho House to liliow that only L w .lllil 'mvi- n margin from the sum asked of I ings at Des Momoa, 81,.u)0,000; MIClHRlni at so) 000 would bt3rureeitsitr for a vault He con- , "rrouy,8lCt1,0'hr. Lansing, $1,505,000; .yistit',ii1"l, . at Jackson, {dulled that: Mr 'f/il',',',,"),,'),')',,'),', ",iliii, regard to Au if "i. anber- What was the highest 3000.000. New York State uiltiings, Itsup- the Cost of tho 3,010,," State end city build- tevlst 5'7 t.V l": vlan? i PM" have been ext.ravaga..nt.ly expensive, and iiG, only showed either that the building, pro" All; FllAsr'.f:--1 m4 fora-Plinq that. The i when one considers the political history of the used to be "0&th Were not fit for the Province high": tenth: w is 802100), The three l rings which had to do with some Er that the b'mm " L" ' ll , ' . _ - _ , . . ' gs wou t Cost more than the inquest "ml... "01.009, '."r75,000, nnd S.1UG,000. i of the public expenditure" we can well Pla" amount asked lie said that there was nothing Mr. 1lr.'iH:',inTH--rlow does the bum Ren" l bzo that the statement or some authorities to show . Hum-m. :Ilt':'.".l it tot. this enormous difference 'l l that tltuy Cost t320,000,000 " not too far out. I TH T THE 7EY NEEDED Air. Hi t:ir.li-'riierr, always is 9. great differ. , don't sly that they cost this sum, but that is the A . MON . ' I "my. ii, is out', of the texoerieuerm of those who I amount returned to me as the cost. Then there would be forthcoming, and asserted that, it was I an accumlnml to receive tenders. that there is is the Province of Quebec with all its liabilities. delusive to expect the aiitic;pated settlement of l'l" Wm," dfierentee h-tween the estimates of I all its out,tttndine indebtedness. and tiaamsial the financial matters between this Province and lllli was "no," a4 to the cost of the work. In i etnirayassrapttt.(1 do not ~-s.y this in N' nileiisire f the Dominion and Quebec. He opposed the f,ll my ten years' "parlance l have nover found l tl/tto ), tin-day is erecting new public buildings selectioli of the site, and sugaested that this and . _ it ullmrwiw, we..." in the case of t'tap'.ts articles, ' estimated to cost 8700,000, and some part of Government llouse block should be disposed of. l wh, re we lumen no msuerally o.loso, but for the them i, erected. Then there was a strong feeling that the pubic depth," oi burdmqs the dill ronccs in the Mr. CLARKE-Does the hon gentleman say at large should not continuetosupoort UppcrI amounts of thy tun lore are ox:raurdmrvrF. Wo l $700,000? ' Canada College, atto. while he recognized tha l have iuvariabiy my", tho work to the lowest l "on. C. F. 1mAMlR--Yes. great good that the institution had done in the l Lump," l a.u tale in saving. where the lowest : Mr. CLARKE -..It must be double that. past, yet he thought that the assets of that insti. ten lg," cm b, rehrd up "l a, safe. 1 lion. U. b'. FttxsER--Ttto" are the tigures tation should be taken to siiiipnrt the University JI; HA'i'd'A)r's'.T---Witat is Mr. Manning's , sent to me, and, if it is uststed by the hon. or some other educational work. He suggested, te.uderou rim second "a, of plans! i gentlemen, they only show in stronger light the therefore. that tho land occupied by Upper Mr. r"tl/ut'lClt--t'iivt,0'oo. The," estimates m. I rysystl'1sutssts of our proposal. As to the cost of Canada. College should be taken for the site. c'u 'o, iii-r inocssary " mining and the work of ox- I ery building's, which do not compare With Pro- l Again. it was a. mistake not to place the Eduev. cavacitt , the ground. t think I run rightin any. vine al Buildings or those for the States, Balti- tion Department in the new buildinirs. He pro. ing how much "Wu "llama, will actuar'r out more spent 83,003,000 on here. Boston posed that the Flducttion, Department shouldI tht, l'rovhicc. l tusirl they would cost $750,000, City Buildings are said to have cost $500,000. be placed in the new buildings, and the Normsl ' he the soiling: price ot this site. Therefore we liillf Ill), only a short distance from this city,with School put in tho neighbourhood of the Univer~ r- /l'd'rrt ti got, at the selling price of this site. in population not 3 great deal larger than this, has sity. If this land were sold with the other land a Hon. 51 tatierv.et, who wern in this, Home in 1550 i bui clings costing $1,450,000. Tue City Buildings then there would be truflieient realized to erect I nil. r ('rnlu'C". that l torodueed an estimate oi the at Pit'wr1uy'ucosr9l,000,000s,Phihuielphia,87,006,. suitable buildings on the present site of Upper \'."i.ll" o! thr, si'e. The figures then ran from an I Coo.. It, Court House, at Cincinnati, 8500,000; Canada Colle. h ' i d um?) malls in 1873 by our own Departnmnt, C ~urillmuc,St.Louis,8l,200,000; andthtsChvy Hall Hon. T. B. PARDEE said Hut Mr. Meredith E _ Jr. 1l,ivi'0. while one 'tout,leuran putit at more than I ","d Court Houso at CiliCnRH, 8-t,000.000, The hall advanced considerably in his views on the , ll /.t " million of dollars, I think myself tliislattor l 1.".ustcmylrpuse at BMW" cost 81,0N.000 l Custom subject. He now said that if the buildings are j 9"le is too art-at. There was one gentleman in " iiirui'l'lt'reasto, 84,000,000; the Cooper institute, to be erected they must be erected in Toronto, I (no my of Toronto who had hud grest experience ll NH" York, ere oted by private inuniticence, cost and that they must be adequate for the put use, 1ses.sv.H that, Gvinz regard to the tsituation of ly;000r)0: the Treasury Buildings, Now York. but he takes exception to the location. li,','; f ', rial; and and 'lieiiitercsts of the railway cums $1,750,000; Postititim, and United States Court Mr. Meredith lllt; not such strong objection to I parlrt'c, itnuglzt to sail for over half a million if Home. Now York, altogether are sud to hsve the erection of new buildings, he is not quite as I livlmiiszd for sale by public auction. Them, I Coat ST.000,000; Custom House, New York, firmly convinced that the: buildings ere ede~ (r2rrr'/reottttrtttio would be "mom to Acquire sternum; Girard Colleen). Philadelphia, quote for the purposes they are used. but he i tins blush of land and would be willing to give $009,000; Custom House, Portland, Maine, thinks the distance to the proposed site is too I l this sum for it. I do not consider 'iG00,000. Here in this city the great. What is the distance? Ten or fifteen I ll. worth this 'much, but I think tlint Gandhi cost of the Asylum for the Insane Was (minutes' walk from the railway station, and if r Ilt Would bring not ' than 8300.000. 8450,000, and Itllink it is not using too strongn the buildings are erected in the Park there l put the iigurcs in 1330 at l... than 8800,000, term ii' 1 say that it is s shame tint the Pro. must be some means of reaching them besides _ l outlining remrd to the changed Cirottmtsttutees, VIII"; of Ontario should have for its legislative walking. The city of Toronto is growing, end he I havirut regard to the tant that the land is new billlilinlza the present structures sud its A~ylum contended that the site chclien is the most eon- F t more valuable, having regard to the opinion ex- , for the, Insane costing nearly as much as is pro- venient place to erect the buildings. As to the l posed to spend on new. Parliament 3nd depart. -- -