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of such a principle involvre ? Last year I gave to the House figures showing the increased expenditure needed by the g\crcuad grants to reformatories, prisons, etc., and the ad-- ministration of fustice, over the amounts spent by the Saudftield Macdonald Govern-- moent.-- There were very largo increases in the amounts, and it really means that there was a large increase in the amount granted for the relie{ of the loca! taxation. _ If we had invested the amount from Crown Lands and iimber, one consequence would have been that we couid not have made these increased grants becuuse the ordinary revenue would " » hava altawed it 'Thus the relief to the e e e e n naes c aiee JPE O not have allowed it, 'Thus the relief to the municipalities could not have been afforded. The amounts of these increased grants are :«-- AEducstion..........:..... . s..is//1 Qaosatd Agriculturo and arisg........ ...... _ 430,302 Hospitals and charities............ -- 52.989 l'ub?io Institutions................. 3430,917 Administration of Justice......... _ 296,513 These increases inthe amounts iranted for the relief of local taxation will make $6,524,« 051. (Applause). | This is just ahout as larfiu as the whole receipts from the Crown Lands Department for the same years. Thus, then, the whole amount given could not have beon appropriated if the policy the hon. f;entle- man opposite has been advocating had been carried out,. 1 ask, therefore, would the people of Ontario have consented to be de« prived of these additions to local relief in | order that the amoun t might have been de-- 'gosited in banks or invested in bonds t Nould any Government dare to curtail grauts to relieve municipalities in -- order / to lay up a | fund _ for posterity ¢ I _ _ don't think they would. _1 don't think the reople would _ approve of such a course,. -- It may be said that these expenditures are of a lem{\orur,v character, | and I grant this so far asadmitting that they | leave no available asset behind, 1t muay be ' that we canunot show any merchantable, or murketable, asseis. But the increased grants |to education, surely, 'have told in The in creased intelligence of the people ! The grants ' to agriculture and arts must have had \ result in the improved condition of agricul | ture ! (Applause.) These are more valuable -- assets than any represented by. Governmeni i or municipal boards,. But i will meet the criticisin on a commercial basis, and ~I wil show that every dollar received from Crowr t Lands and timber limits, has beon re--in-- | | vested on a permanent and tangible asset. | We have received, from 1872 to the prosent | time from lands sold, $2,809,185 ; of that $1,-- | 028,054 was for interest. I believe, according | to the admission of hon. gentiemen opposite 1 themsetves, -- intorest -- would -- have been | properly expended ; so, deducting interest, the r.-coi(!\:s from Crown Lands would be $1,781,133%, Then from woods and forests we receivea $7,030,802. Wehadtodeduct from this an item which does not represent capi-- | tal expended oc used,. This is ground | rents, $514,051, leaving receipts from woous | and forests $7,116,851. But we are also en-- titled to deduct some« other items in order to show the net receipts. We cannot sell land if it is not surveyed, and therefore the amount of the surveys has to be taken into consideration. And _ we imust have persons to keep books, collect dues, Crown Lands and timber agents, forest rangers, and, therefore, for the purpose of showing the net receipts, it i8 necessary to deduct THE COST OP MANXACEMENT and collection,. and refunds,. The latter are moneys which have been made in the Crown Lands In-{yartmem on account of pro-- posed sales which are not carried out. Befundsamount. K. ii.ci.1<1 camers.. Qheantod Expenses of Crown Lands Depart-- IMCSE.1. . c«.rrtictce« «t1xtmxp1i:+: :: MknODK Outside expenses, such as servants, h uid agents, @tC......... ...+@«.+@+.. 1,0i09,010 The total of these three items is $2,020,743, leaving the receipts, after deducting the le-- gitimate expenses, $6,877,240. This is from 1872 to 1885. Now, let us see what has been done with these recoigt». We have, in the first place, public build in{;s. 1 think it will not be denied that public buildings are as valuable assets, if they are well constructed for a necessary purpose, as are wild lands or forests. (Applause.) We have during the same &e'riud invested in public Imildin(gfl $2,954,554. These are asylums, prisons, gaols, reformatories, Normal schools for the education of teachers,agricultural colleges,etc. Then I thiuk it wiil not be denied that a farmer would consider that what was spent on drainage and making roads was clearly a proper expenditure out of capital because it gives a GREATRR VALUE TO HIS FARM and more receipts from it. The Province has expended on Public Works and Roads and Bridges ??.,096.275. I think it will also not be denied that railways are a valuable asset to the Province. They are a meanus of reduc-- ing the cost of the raw supplies to the manu-- facturer, and enable him to get a batter price for his articles, while to the farmer they are advantageous in getting his products to a 714,694 1,078,016 *4 se Iket. SO t«hat IlOt Onl 18 the f&' mer but ¥ y T ',l'lu'tl b(.'"("flt'ed. And, lhere. ds 4P PR s on + tb adreraaal + uie areapetpren F fore, I contend that we are perfectly justified in having invested $3,662,593. We have then in these three branches of propert ies created by the investment an asset amount. ing to 38,717,220. Or we have actually expended from time to time nearly two OW cdadavauan o / vrens. o »Pive ex?en(leu 3 (uunt + i t ds 142009 5, MB ha stctaaiie is cak dnc P ndtnihe million dollars more than we received from the Crown Lands Department. (Applause.) Now, I ask hon. gentlemen if there is any-- thing in connection with this matter that cau $ 1 se nen ns COs 4 k THR PEOPLR OFP THE PROVINCE, and the country will be long in giv-- ing them an opportunity of putting it _ into practice. -- (Hear, hear.)' In' ro-- d bxl sFasill " crcle w anMant. CHECEHR ABL OM AAMRWOCCC C l llll 1 1 be cgaracterized as improvident or wasteful, because we have simply transferred the capi-- tal we had in our wild lands into those more productive assets ¢ 1 will only say that if that is the policy of hon. gentiemen opposite --and L am not straining anything when 1 say that they have clearly announced that as the policy that they would curr{ out if ever the(( should come 'into office--they will soon find that their policy is not in accordance with the views of 16 CARWRER -- MRCC CE Vee oc os 0 T £ E7 it _ into practice. -- (Hear, hear.) In ro--' §ard to the comparative cost of collect-- ng the Crown Lands revenues by the Pro--, vince and the Dominion respectively, I think | that on a forimer occasion gentlemen oppo-- site made some statements in regard to tm item, and they went so far as to say that the office ought to be abolished altogether, Now I have given to the House what it costs per $100 to collect the Government revenues fos the Province of Ontario, and 1 Bropose also to make a comparison with the Dominion ex-- penditure under the same head. Our, total collections within the period named have been $10,440,088, 'The cost for management-- that is, the total cost of the Crown Lands De-- tai COSC e Crown L&NQGUS 1C" T bas s d 44 1e 301 0. 0 Araci t tenly ts aiptr C 0 Wl {)a.rtment. and also the outside service--has een for the same period $1,792,710; or taking the whole expenditure in' connection with our _ Crown _ Lands -- Department _ for the collection of revenue, it has cost us seventeen cents for-- every dollar of revenue collected, Now, how does that com« pare with the Dominion management? Since Confederation the total amount that they have collected from their lands has been $4,006,175, and the expenditure of their De-- partment has been, at Ottawa, 8302.515, and for their outside department, $4,043,861 ; or a total expenditure for purposes of collection of $4,846,776. They have actually paid at Ottawa, £$550,000 MORE THANX THEY RRCEIVED. (Loud cheers.) It has actually cost them 8113 for every 8100 that they collected, against our $17, for the collection of a like es AssERTS AND LIABILITIES. I now come to a statament of assets and liabilities. There is very little alteration in these items from those of last year. 'The fol-- lowing are the figures :---- sum. 1. DireEzor IxvestaEexts :-- Dominion 6 per cent.bonds...., $500,000 00 Market value over par value... 50,000 00 2. Carmrar Hrrn» _ Aaxp Dests Dur sxy tac Domuixiox or Oxrarmo B:arine Ixtcar-- EST :-- T. C. Grammar School Fund, * @ Vic., cap. 10}, .......... ... §$512,700--06 U. C,. Building Fund (18 seet., Act, 1904)........+««11s,. s3 / A;MM1a,/901 41 Land Improvement Fund, (See Awatd):...:s::..'+i.As.i@lrs c' 324,605 18 Coranmon School Fund (Consol. Stats., cap. 26)--proceeds re-- alized to 1st July, 1867, ?1.- 520,059 24--after deduct m{ Land --Improvement_ Fund portion belonging to Ontario _ 891,201 74 Capital declared owing to the late Province of Canada by Dominion Act (47 Viec., cap. 4)~--$5,397,503 13, bearing in-- terest at 5 per cent. Ontario's proportion on basis of Award as advised by Finance De-- partment........:...........* 2,0040,200 52 Ontario's share of Library (see JxWAIQ),:...1 i.6A ivsisv.\az" -- 206,/§541 00 Drainage 5 por cont. deben-- tures, invested 31st Decem-- Ler,. 1800 .. :1 : : sinr?> «s uds Fubi® Tile drainage 5 per cent. deben-- tures, invested 3lst Decem-- Der, 1900 .. :iz .« er«kz 04 irs xt Overdue intexest on above.... Drainage work --Municipal as-- SES§Ment$s :...;....:......*1. -- . 200,700 48 ASSETS OF THE PROVINCT, $1,087,434 97 $5,754,877 89 $239,740 85 $550,000 00 $537,434 97 34,650 30 3,3543 34