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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 22 Feb 1886, p. 3

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s W y ivintnnmnitiaiics. ---- A * % es § o e aare P /7 'vf '.'.g:,- Rale x ' 4 . atraies. s ~R £ o ] :that they would find it difficult to get l shown for nk I think the Bill should not dpuli- | 3',',",{'5'5?;,1::1.@ morning--(laughter and m%es ' Mr. MEREDITH said there was no doubt of "" No, no "), --but the exact hours would be the Fill would go further than the House . for the committee to consider. | could be asked to proceed. | The Bill should Mr. PHELPS said he did not think any ' not have been drawn for other than Toronto, member could point to a manufacturer . London, Hamilton, ete. But so far as these 'HO HAS REFUSED '- places are concerned it seemed to be reasou-- wI AS REFUSE 1' able. _ The Trades and Labour Council, a | to allow his men to vote. l body which to a large extenc represented the Mr. FRENCH said that he was not prepar-- ; views of the Toronto workingmen, had cx-- ed to say that the Bill met his approval at ' pressed itself in favour of it. . He thought present. : 4 that the House should assent to the second Mr. ERMATINGER replied to some of the reading of the Bill, and that it should Fo to a remarks on his Bill. committee, where any of the details might be Mr. (OCONNOR said that there was no de-- altered,. mand for the Bill. Different hours for poll-- N. GIBSON (Hamilton) said that he did ing would impair the efliciency of the system not know that the difficulties sought to be of simultaneons elections, obviated are vory general. He knew, how-- Hon. 0. MOWAT said that there was the ever, from exporience, that it would hbe . an,, greatest possible diversity of o\)inion among | , advantage if there were one hour at least .fox' \ | those who desired that the Bill should go to lMing outside of the ordinary working a committee,. --It was of course not a party K?mrs for the labouring classes, _ 'There wore , question. The member for Elgin (Mr. Er-- polling divisions where nearly all the voters matinger) no doubt had in view the L."iy of on tfie list _ were artisans, | and _ it St. Thomas when he introduced his Bill, Yet was often impossible to poll all#their votes in the city of St, Thomas, for electoral pur-- | the noon hour, which was the hour at w hich poses, would stand in the same position as a | nearly .u". endeavoured to vyote, No doubt village or town, and according to the view | the majority of mpployers would grant the | taken by the leader of the Opposition should | necessary spare time to enable the men to be excluded from the provisions of the Bill, i(-ast their votes, But there was some force \It scemed to him (Mr. Mowat) that there ' | in the suggestion that a good deal might de-- | were very grave objections indeed to | pend on i ns DIFFEREXT HOURS BEING PROVIDED ! it NO M(Ge s MPANMIO UE for polling in different parts of the same con-- | | of 0mploi'ors and employees as to whether stituency ; and any advantage would be im-- | that privilege would be granted. 'Then there me: ®ely ecunterbalanced by the evils of that \ was the case of those who had to travel con-- diversity. In regard to cities there was un-- siderable distances to. the places where doubi»dly more to be said in favour of the they worked, and _ who found it impossible proposition. He believed the House would to return to their homes at mid--day in Iil.J that if the Bill passed in any form it order to cast their votes,~ He _ was | would have to be con,i'ned to cities which re-- bound _ to say _ that those concerned, turned a member. He thought it was of very in the city of Hamilton at least, would, be great importance that the elections shoulé * glad of an extension of the time of polling. | lake place by daylight ; and the promoter of He should, however, "W""'"' any extension of the Bili, while he mentioned one place in the the poliling hours in the evening,. _ No one United States where the hours were from having experience of elections would fu\'uulr sunrise to sunset, had not found any such a proposal. _ 'The tendency would is case where those limits were exceeded. that labourers and mechaniecs would defer Since the immembers of both sides of the * | casting their votes until the last hmln---. \vhv.n House representing cties, while differing | | there would be a rush to the polls ; there upon points of detail, had expressed a desire | would be an attempt to use undue influence, that the matter should be considered, the and g""""'"(y there would be that undesir-- Bill had better go to a committee,it being un-- able state o ":m)_z"f"l'.",(-'h-thc "T,m.'"l-hh'"(l'ml derstood that the business of the committee of & lm'gfl' nulv;l w}f '; .("n,MOI'h '?ds. e h was to consider whether in regard to cities to """"'.d-': ut l'l N ti:" l mm ut i l'f" there might be some extension of the hours, hour \u:rt" %';'m");l l:l' A monk ho (ULME! lie would assent to the second reading on j votes migitt he poL'e 4 that understanding. | BEFORE THEUSUAL WoRrKING HNOTRS\ | 'The Bill was read a second time and re-- | he thought workingmen would appreciate | ferred to the following committee :--Hon. C, 'and make use of the privilege. The tendency of F. Fraser, Hon. G. \{5_ Ross, Mr. Meredith, legislation should be to encourage all who Mr. Gibson (Hamilton), Hon. James Young, 'h"d votes to cast them,. _ He did not know Hon. A. Morris, Mr. Ermatinger, Mr. O. J. I whether the inconvenience of opening the Phelps, Mr. Awrey, Mr. Freeman, Mr. French :p{)llduringthflflef.sou when the days were Mr. Baskerville. _ f f shortest would be so great as to counter ip j a : balance its advantage, but he did not think : The llousead')ourp'ed..'ztitz P : | it would.. He was inclined to support the principle of the Bill, namely, an extension of the hours for polling. Hon. A. MORRIS said there was no doubt an extension of the hours wonuld be a con-- venience, He believed, however, is should be given only in legislative and not in muni-- cipal elections, an(Tonly in large centres of population. Hon. T. B. PARDEE said the Provincial Secretary had stated that if any considerable, i mmmber of people desired an extension -- O the time for polling, midoulnedly the Hoanse | would .--u;.»'u\rn it and grant it, but he had not heard o) any grieva uee avrising from the preseni state of thedaw. _ To (Mr. Pardeo) * was bound to say that until ho heard this % debate he had not supposed therewas any gricvance,. _ fHe had supposed that with so tarce a number of divisions there was no diiticulty in every man polling his vote at the noun _ hour,. 'There _ was -- certainly _ no grievance in towns on villages ; and if in . the same _ consiituency >g the polls in a town should close later than the pol!s in a township, the results in the: town-- ship would become known and the party which was behind in the tow nships wonld | make extraordinary efforts to carry the town ' in the last hour of polling. HMe had heard | for the first time that there was a difficulty | IX THE CA8H: OP CQTTIES, | -- The representatives of Toronto, London, and | HMamilton said a grievance and a dificulty f | existed ; that men had diffticulty in geiting to | the polls in these large cities. If that was the case this House should consider the matter. [ The Government were anxious to consider it, | and he had no doubt the better way would l be to refer the Bill to a Special Committee, Me did'not know that the House would not i be committed by the appointment of _ a Special Committee, but he supposed the House would not be committed to any par-- ticular hour for opening or closing the poll. Was it not worth whifie to consider the pro-- priety of making every employer of labour wive his workmen an extra half hour on the | day of election ? lHe did not say this was 3 rgu'rticuhle,l)ut this was one of the questions | . 'which the committee might consider. Me --knew from the habits of hon. genilemen

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