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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 24 Feb 1886, p. 1

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THE PLOVINCIAL SHOW,. Mr. AWREY moved for a return showing for each of the years 1883, 1884, and 1885, all sums of money received by the Agricultural and Arts Association, the amount expended in prizes at the annual exhibitions, cost of management of said exhibitions, distinguish-- ing between salaries and other disburse-- ments ; salaries paid officials of said associa-- tions ; and other disbpursements made by the said_ Association ; balance sheet for each {ear s transactions, showing profit or loss, as he case may be. _ Me said there was an im-- pression abroad in the West, that a part of the duties of the Agricultural and Arts As: sociation might cease. While admitting the value of the Provincial Fair to agriculturists in the r&st thirty years, he thought the institution had outlived its use fulness. _ The branches of the Association such as the registering of stock, the con-- {rolling of ploughing matches, and their edu-- eational influence were all very well. The nmanagement of the Provincial Show had not been economical. For instance, last year at London, where they alwavs havre a good Yestern Fair, and a successtul one,theresult was that with an income of $34,000, including nts and gate money, they had a deflcit of g,'ooo. The Industrial Exhibition at Toron-- 'o was a great success, and considered the aone great show of the Province, and now, with past experience of it at the leading cities, the Provincial Show must be held in 'ome small place where it could not pay, He aad seon at Hamilton and London just as good stock as was shown at the Provincial how. He had no sympathy with those who said that Toronto was monopolizing all that was good in the Province, but if they had a Provincial _ Show it must _ be held only once in five years, A charge had been made that when the Exhibition was held at London, Ottawa, etc., the direc-- tors brought workmen from other parts of the Province wherever directors had friends, and thus the expense was increased. He had distinguished between the amount for prizes and management, for the reason that there was an impression abroad that the amount for prizes was small and that for manage-- ment large. _ _ _ _ _ _ Mr, McLAUGHLIN moved for a return, showing the cost incurred by the Province in maintainiufi' its rights to the disputed Terri-- tory, after the finding of the award of the arbitrators ; also the cost incurred in each case of defending the constitutional rights of the Province against the encroschments of the Dominion Government, together with the total cost. Carried. to appeal. NO APPEAL Mr. MEREDITH asked whether the deci-- sion of the Hon. Mr. Justice Proudfoot, in the ease of the Petition of Right filed by Peter Alexander McArthur, and another, is intended to be, or has been, acquiesced in asa correct deterimination as to thelegal rights of applicants for timber limits, or whether it is intended to appeal from such decision. FURTHER AMENDED. Mr, DRURY moved that the order for the third reading be discharged and the Bill re-- ferred back for certain amendments to the }nreamble. This was assented to and the 3ill amended. A')t{r. White--To amend the County Courts ct. \Mr. White--Toamend the Surrogate Courts Act. Mr, White--To amend the _ Act respecting tPhle Courts of Queen's and Bench Common eas. Hon. 0. Mowat--An Act to confirm titles where the Land Titles Act is not in force. (By Our Own Reporters.) WepxEsoay, Feb. 24. The Speaker took the chair at three o'clock. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES. Hon. T. B. Pardee presented the sixth re-- port of the Railways. Mr. Awrey presented the fifth report of the Committee on Private Bills. ; FIRST READINGS. The following Bills were read the first time :---- AN:r. Rayside--To amend the Municipal ct. Mr, McLaughlin--To amend the Act re-- specting snow fences. _ Mr. DRURY said he thought that the member for South Wentworth would find Fifth Parliament ------ Third Session. PROVINCIAL RIGHTS. ) agg'e'nl from such decision. M AT--It is not the intention means of introducing improved cattle and new agricultural machinery to the farmers of that district. Difficulties might arise from the Association not being able to secure proper accommodation. It might be a ques-- tion whether, if they could not obtain en-- trance to cities having pmger accommoda-- tion, the holding of the Exhibition should be suspended, but on no other ground should it be contemplated. (Loud lpg;ause.) Mr. GRAY said that the Provincial Exhi-- bition in the past had performed a duty, but had ceased to be of any use, and the money would be bettor spent if divided among the Agricultural Societies. Mr. GIBSON (Huron) agreed with the re-- marks made by the member for East Simcoe. The extra attractions which were coming into fashion at fairs did not enhance their value ; people went away from them SACRIFICING THE RDUCATIONAL PURPOSES of the exhibition to amusement. The Agri-- cultural and Arts Association had certainly not erred so much in this respect. They could have made nearly a thousand dollars during one Fair by making arrangements with mountebanks, etc.; but they had passed a resolution against such a policy. 'Fhey had speeding in the ring, but gave no prizes for horseracing. He believed that four--fifths of the solid farmers would vote for the continu-- ance of the Provincial Exhibition. (Cries of " Mear," and *" No.") HMHoe believed the Fair at Kingston was of material advantage to the people of Eastern Ontario, and was the M e o e t oo e OE C amount that was spent in salaries and the amount that was spent in prizes. If he would take the trouble to look up prize lists he would find that they amountedto bet ween $23,000 and $25,000. 'It was true that em-- Bloyees were brought from various parts of the rovince, but they were engaged in positions 'of trust and responsibility, and it would have been unwise and unsafe to rely upon men who might he picked up in various places where the Exhibition was held. The management did not fear any scrutiny into the financial affairs of the Association. They had been conducted in a proper business--like way, and the servants of the Association were men who could command any where élse salaries as high as they received from the Association. The London Exhibition had been referred to as a failure. It was true that owing to wet weather its financial sue-- cess was not great, although he thought they would have $2,000 in the bank after paying all claims. But is was certainly a success as an Exhibition. The unanimous opinion was that the show of stock at London was the finest ever seen in the country. It was a thoroughly rr-;)resentative. Exhibition which did credit to the Province of Ontario. He had nopersonalinterestinthe Exhibition except as a farmer, but he and the other members of the Council desired to do their duty to the farmers of this country. At the annual meetings of delegates appointed by the elec-- toral d{:'.trict societies, the question had re-- peatedly been submitted, whether the Pro-- vincial Exhibition should be continued, and in every instance the opinion was unmistak-- ably in favour of its continuance. They were not to be guided by the opinions of those who represented cities which desired to hold independent exhibitions. He gave 'every credit to the excellent management of the Toronto Industrial Association, but he was very doubtiful whether the system of relying upon horse--racing and side shows of various kinds would produce permanent suc-- cess, It had failed in the United States. He did not say that it was not a perfectly fair and proper thing for the Toronto Association to do as they were doing. But he believed there had been expressions of disapproval of the course of NO wIsER THAN THEY Cari. The object of the Toronto Industrial Exhibi-- tion was principally to draw a crowd and to maike money. It would be a great mistake to withdraw the granit from the Provincial Ethibition. Mr, WATERS had no objection to the mo-- tion, buat he thought it was not brought for. ward so much from a desive for information as to have a right royal drive at the Provin-- cial Show. 'The mover had said that the London show was a failure, but vie wed from a mechanical, farmer's, or art stand poiut the show was one of the Anest ever held in the Dominion of Canada. (Applause.) It had been called a local show, but the fact that exhibitors were there from all parts of Can-- ada disproved this. Do away with the Pro-- vincial Show and there would not remain in Ontario a large show managed exelusively by agriculturists. 'The shows held in the cities Mr, WILMOT said that the Toronto Ex-- hibition was a good one, but at London they had betlor stock and a better class of people. (Laughter and applause.) He was strongly opposed to cutting off the grant for the Pro-- vincial Fair. that the f:rmers ha,(_l a very clear idea of the A SUCCESSETUL SHOW,.

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