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d I -- " ' * s h , Wentworth those i ; * l were mainly got up b{ townspeople, in con-- }Ii":fltl:l Ogveeni:wcfi:'l:t had refused to sgsppolrlé i junction, possibly, with the division niricul- Mr. Awrey. In fact, out of the ten votes cast | trral society. _ In connection with the M he el y'r,ion of a delegate only three wer F amount of prizes he was assured that it was g'; tth? :':c Awrey's favour. Regardix{g M: incresging year by year. Rykert, he believed this gentleman worked THE RAST WANTS IT. + ] as large, if not a larger, farm than the mem-- | . Hon. C. F. FRASER most strenuously ob-- ber for South Wentworth. | jected to the notion that the results of an | Mr. AWREY --He does not, institution of this character could be esti-- | Mr. CARNEGIE--He has farmed for many | mated by a purely financial operation. They ears. _ As to himself, he was elected by the : could prove, however, that the results from lyarmers, and he might also say that he had . + an educational standpoint were good and | for ten years done as much farming as any . ; satisfactory. Just so with the amount given | | man in the House. -- He was not opposed to for the Dairymen's Associations. The fact | the motion. | that the money result could not be made to I Mr., McMAHON thought the east should j : show a direct prolit get the indirect results have the Exhibition for some years to come, $ | t are manifold and far beyond the amount paid and he expressed the opinion of the farmers | , ; for it. So far as he could speak for his own of North {'Vem,wonh when he said that it | 3 +| W constituency, or the farmers of the East, he | was not in the interests of the Province that R had no hesitation in saying that the undi-- the Show should be done away with. 3 % vided voice of the East was in favour of the Mr. GRAMHAM was prepared to vote in a 7 contin'umu-e of the show,. 'The farmers of favour of continuing the grant_to the Show, * f the West must remember that if in the g}"" but took the ronn§ that the Western, Cen-- they had derived great benefit from the Pro-- tral, and ln%lustrial Fairs were suflicient | § vincial show and now ""'{ could do from an educational utaud%flnt for the peo-- & without it the castern farmers had not the ple of these sections of the Province. 1 6 | many dsn;mlal; comp?tmghinsuttul'ltons Tx'md The motion was carried. | t wanted this oftener than they got it. en mrpq + + wpr + x 4 again, the West had almost entirely the bLHO'OL Qf PRACTICAL SCIENCE. | f whole of the large Provincial Institutions. Mr. FERRIS moved for a return, giving a E. lHe concluded by repeating the statement statement in detail, of the receipts and ex-- @ } that he voiced the llll(l"\'idt'd opinion of East-- penditures of the University of Torontotor the i 18 . ern farmers in pronouncing strongly for the year 1884, a like statement of the receipts and t y 10 continuance ot the grant, expenditures of the University College, and 3x 1\ | Mr. HAWLEY was strongly in favour of a like statement of the receixl)gs and expendi-- es the continuance of the grant, and suggested tures of the School of Practical Science for $ 1 that in addition an experimental farm should the same year. * + P » be established in the Kast. Mr. MEREDITH said that he believed that m Mr. MERRICK regretted that the manage-- the School of Practical Science had been di-- p ment of the Fair had been attacked. He ad-- , yested from its original purpose of instruct-- n a \ vocated the more frequent holding of the ing the mechanics of the country, and had 8 Exhibition in the East. become a mere adjunet of Toronto Univer-- Mr. FERRIS saidit would not beunreason-- sity, and that this was largely due to its able that the demand for the more frequent being moved to the Queen's Park, holding of the exhibition in the east should Hon. G, W. ROSS said that when the t be granted, There was a large expenditure school was opened in October, 1878, out of 49 , on the Provincial Farm and Ccfilegc. of which students there were 23 who were not stu-- | the western people got thelarger proportion dents of University College, while last year $ | of the benetit. He thought that it would | out of 146 students there were 113 who did a not be even unreasonable, as an offlsect to | not attend University College. So that it ap-- this.that the Provincial Fair should be held | peared that the school was more than ever wholly in the east. fulitilling the purpose mentioned by the Lead-- C er of the Opposition. j | K D';{'fibl'l)'él\'\n ';TO'{"" "lm'"'"' The motion carried. f | e. "DEN said the only reason given 'PPER CAXN «in ! for holding the Fair was an educational one. | f Mr I l:lP s LA):AD'A COLLEGE, y | His position was that the farmers did not ' Mr. BISHOP moved 'for a return showing 4 need this education, as they got it in other ' the ay evrage veat:l_v attendance of pupils in . l directions,. _ Then again, t'\e Exhibition Upper Canada College since the date of the ] must in the future be !gleld at smaller cities, last return down to and inclusive of the year and therefore the last show at London was 1885, distinguishing between resid--nt and | not a fair criterion. -- Last year the Dominion day ?upus in each year, and giving the locali-- | Government gave $10,000, and it was called / | ties from which they came. Also, the condi-- | ' a Dominion show. . He was, however, in tions at present in force respecting entrance favour of the holding of a show in the east into the college, including es{)fl'i&")' the \ | for educational purposes, and he would be rminimum age of the pupils, and the curricu t» ' sorry to see the whole grant of $10,000 to the lum on which the extrance examination is Agricuitural & Arts Society done away. conducted. There had been a good many complaints against the college, and some SUGGESTING A MOTIVE, people said that it was not a provincial in sti-- & Mr. PRESTON suggested that the fact of tution, but merely a day school for Toronto C the mover's defeat in his endeavour to secure nabobs to send their children to. This ¢ | election to the Agricultural and Arts Associ-- contention seemed to be borne l | ation might account for his action. He was out by the figures, which showed that @ | sure that if the grant were withdrawn from 'an immense majority of the Yeople came ' | the Association a strong cery would come | trom the city of Toronto ana the county of ~ from the East against that course. He was | York, and there was a considerable number in favour of increasing the grant if the pre-- of counties which did not send a single s | sent amount were not sufticient to carry on student there at all. He found that sixtcon | the Provincial Show successfully. teachers were employed to teach 225 boys ~ | _ Mr, HAGAR was surprised at the remarks | who attended the college. 'Then they had a | which had hbeen made regarding the Pro--| teaches of gymnastics and fencing. "Now in | _ ' vincial show. He was Txite satisfied that looking at Webster's dictionary he found $ | the West had received far more than its l that there. were too kinds of fencing, one & | share of the benefit of the Show, and if the was making fences--a subject with which he K Show was unnecessary as an educational was very -- well acquainted. -- (Langhter.) ' factor in the Woest muly they had outgrown Another was the art of defending one's self } 3 it, the people of the West and North had not | with the sword, and in eonnection with this ¥ I outgrown it in the East. Wobster gave the following quotation : -- | THE REPLY. * They fence and Y"Sh" and pu-shinfi. loudly roar . | ; Mr. AWREY repudiated the insinuation Thelr dewlapsand their sides are bathed in gore." | i that he was a cand&ate for the position on (Loud laughter.) | 4 | ; s the Association, but he did not know it until Hehad no objection to boys having diversion | % | after he was nominated, He, however, dis-- l')m. he did not think the Province should pay | ; tinctly stated before the election at the meet-- 'Ol'l the amuse ment of the children of a few ing of the South--western Agricultural Soci-- navobs, _ He hoped the matter would be k ety that he was against the fiolding of a Pro-- hy'onght up un til the Government saw that 4 vincial Show, and yet he was supported by U pper Canada College w as no longer needed. Is 3 his own riding by 33 to 10. He tgought the The motion was carried. | ; § Show was not wholly under the control of | Hon. A. S. HARDY laid on the table the | ~ | farmers, for Mr. Rykert, M.P., and Mr. Car-- re})ort of the Council of Agrieulture and Arts. | ' | negie were members,and they were not farm-- t.bt:lug six o'clock, the Speaker left the | ; | ers. He defended the Hami{ilton Exhibition, chair, 3 aud stated that all the exhibits were free for MUNICIPAL COUNCILS. f those in the grounds except speeding in the After recess, & ring. He charged the directorate of the last Mr. DRURY moved that a Select Com-- $ * 11'0"?'"1 Fair "'}lh hhavmg given $400 to a mittee be appointed to consider the desira-- 3 )oca co'qi'"'ttei{ or the purpose of securing bility of so amending the Municipal Act that E. lorse--racing. Regarding the desire of the | the number of members in County Councils @ East to have the Show, he thought the fact ! may be reduced, the Committee to have { that the co{f}".'s of the Association al-- | power to send for persons and papers, and % | ways came back empty did not prove | that the Committee be composed as follows : e this, He -- quoted from The Hamilton --Messieurs Bishop, Broder, Clancy, Creigh-- ~ I Times to the effect that he was opposed to ton, Drury, Dryden, Gihsoun (Huron), Gillies f C the holding of the Show, and in this he had Lees, Merrick, Murray, Rayside, Ross (Huron), ~ | the almost unanimous support of the agricul-- Waters, Widdifield, aund Wood. f : immts of South Wentworth, 1 Mr, MEREDITH suggested that there } | A REJOINDER, ought to be at least one lawyer on the com-- l | | -- Mr.CARNEGIE said whatever the farmers \ mitteer (Laughter.) |