The Ontario Scrapbook Hansard

Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 23 Mar 1887, p. 5

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NMr. WATERS said that if the law could exempt eertain classes of men it could exempt all women. _ The Commissioner said that -- women franchise was desired by those who ¢©favored Prohibition, No doubt women would 'favor laws in favor of Temperance,for they sut-- fered most from intemperance. { -- Mr. ARMSTRONG said he favored worman suftrage and would vote for the bill. was an open question, HMe objected to the hon. gentleman's proposition on . yerious grounds. He objected to the proposition of the bill, because of itself, and he ohjected to it, because of what it would lead up to. _ He objected to this mode of dealing with the sub. ject, piece by piece. The House should look the whole question in the face and come to a sensible conclusion upon it. The hon. gentlcman had spoken of the poti-- tions presented to the House, but he ventured to say that if any married women did sign that petition they did not 'know what they were doing ; did not know that as a matter of fact they would be depriving their hus-- bands of the votes which they now had by virtue of their wives' property. As he had said he believed that they should look at TIIE WHoLE QUESTION of woman sulfrage, and in that view he be-- lieved his hon. friend's proposition would not stand the test of logic. If they gave wo-- men all the privileges of citizenship they must cast upon them all the duties of citizenship. (Applause.) 'That was mo reason why they should not be compelled To DEFEXD THE LiAWs, yet who would propose that a sherifi's posse should be composed partly of women? -- Possibly if the Scott Act and the question of Prohibi-- tion were disposed of they would hear no more of this questionof woman suffrage. Yet, in order that Prohibition might be carried, they were asking that women should be given the fran-- chise for all time to come, and to transfer the political power of the country from one sex to the other. He believed that nature never in-- tended that this should be done, and all experi-- ence was in favor of his position. He wanted o meet the question squarely, and therefore he moved the six months' hoist. Nr. WATERS said that the Commissioner ofi Public Works appeared to be afraid that women would be called upon to act as volun-- teers and soldiers, or soldieresses--(laughter)---- but they all knew that certain men who had votes were exempt from these duties. Hon. MNMr. FRASER said that what he had contented was that women would be liable to such duties to the same extent as men and no fart} Mr. WOOD (Hastings) said ne favored woman suffrage, but objected to this piecemeal mode of dealing with the question, and would therefore vote tor the amendment. Mr. CRAIG said he intended to make a few remarks on this subject. A MEMBER----He's making HIS MAIDEN SPERCH on the married women,. (Laughter,) Mr. CRAIQG said he didn't expect to bave any trouble with his wife on this question. (Laughter,.) _She was quite willing that he should do the voting for the family. (Laughter.) He was opposed to the bill. oHw would an hon. gentleman like to come home and find his wife, instead of getting dinner ready a (Laugnter.) Mon. gentlemen might laugh, but they would not laugh if they were placed in these circumstances. (Renewed laughter.) ___ Mr, METCALEE--The other fellow would laugh. (Great laughter.) Mr. Metcalfe said .Cr. INXTERVIEWING A CANDIDATE, he would oppose the hill, as tending to delay the millennium, and to destroy the comfort of the home. Nr. CRAHAM said he was in perfect [har-- mony with this bill -- If a married woman had property in her own right she had a perfect right to the franchisec,. He was surprised to hear the Commissioner of Public Works saying that married women signed petitions which they did not understand. Men could be got To sIGN aALMOSP axyTrnINC in the shape of a petition that was presented to them. Me had no doubt he could get men to sign a petition to hang the Commissioner of Public Works ; but you would not get many > women to sizn such a petition. (Laughter.) Nir. CREIGHTON said that he came to about the same conclusion as the Comimis-- sioner for Public Works, but for diferent rea-- sons,. o was in fayor of giving the vote to widows and unmarried women, but he was opposed to giving the franchise to married womenu, because it would interfere with the family relations. The amendn ing division :-- YEA®,----Allan, _ Awrey, Ballantync, Blezard, Blyth. Bronson, Chamberiain, Clancy, Clarke, EJ (Foronto), Clarke, H OE (Poronto), Clarke (W eliing-- ton}, Contnec, Craig, Creighton, Cruess, Dryden, Fell, Frasor, Freemazn, French, tobeon (Hamilton}, Gitson (Hurom, Guthric, Mammell, Marcourt, Hoess, HMudson, Ingram, Korus, bees, Lyon,> Mc-- Mahon, Master, Moredith, Meteal{, Miller, Monk, Morgan, Naim, O'Comnor, Pardec, Phelps, Pres-- toim. layside, Hoss (Middlesex), snider, stewart, Epragnuo, mirattonr, Tooley, Willoughby, Wilmoi, Wood (Hastings;, Wood (Brants, W ylie--50. N\Yx. ---- Armstrong, Malfour, Biggar, Bishop, Dack, Ferzuson, Garson, Ciltmour, Graham, Leys, MeKay, Mack, Marter, Meacham, Morin, Mo wat, Ostrom, smith, Waters----19. iNCOME TAX. Mr. INGRAM moved the second reading of the bill to ameud the Assessinent Act by in-- creasing the amount of the esemption on in-- comes from $400 to $800. Mr. -- GIBSON _ (Mamilton) -- said _ that he had himself -- introduced a bill to the -- same _ effect, but he thought the exemption should be at least $1,000. Under the present cireumstances the poor were taxed much more highly in proportion to their ability than the rich,. Poor mens' incomes were easily ascertained, while it was very diflicult to ascertain the amounts of the larger incomes. Mr. H. E. CLARKE was opposed to the bill, because he was opposed to all exemptions. Mr. MEREDITH said that he was opposed to church and other cxemptions, but he did not think the exeinption of incomes were ob-- joctionable on the same grounmds as other ex-- emptions. _ He had opposen this bill, however, because he thought its effect would hbe to place the great burden of taxation on the classes who were least able to bear it. _ According to p"blish()d statisties the fl\;Cl':'lge' cal"ningfl Of workingmen in 1384 were #3985, that is within the nresont exemution.© Owineg, however, to published statistics the nvorage carnings Ol workingmen in 1884 were #392, that is within the presont exemption. Owiing, however, to a large numbor of petitions in faveor of the bill he would vote for the second reading. Hon. Mr. FRASER said that while they might theorise upon the average earnings of workingmen, he thought that those who were asking for this exemption asked it for practical reasons, and the probability was that they had found by an examination of the assess. | ment rolls that the workingimen were taxed on } their incomes, and would be benefitted by the | assessment. _ He argued at some length against | the -- proposition -- that churches should _ be | exempt. _ He had favored the bill last year, ; and he was in favor of it now. | Mr. GARSON said that he was opposed to all exemptions, and would favor a measure for amendment was carried on the follow--

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