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¥p u& h'o'"m;ionhood:id th6 party those who | : openly advocated Annoxntiop. Nay, that . divinity himself has not hesitated to se.rvoi: under those red--handed from open rebellion. | The hon. member from Essex has already | shown that three of the prominent leaders of that party to--day--Galt, McPherson aud Abbott ----were open advocates of Annuexation; all j after this grave offence taken to the bosom of | the party as chiefs and leaders,and two of thein | 'knighted on the recommendation of the Tory chiet. _ It is matter of history that Sir George Cartier was in open rebellion, proclaimed and A PRICE sET UPON HIS HEAD., Y .t he was not thought unworthy to be raised to the position of high priest of the super-- loyal party, nor did Sir John's sensitive loyalty prevent him from serving under him; and yet these gentlemen wish the public to believe that the nausea they profess to feel for those who| desired to leave the way open to constitutional | agitation for the redress of grievances is genu--| ine and not the veriest clap--trap. But, Mr. Speaker, we have a case where a Conservative Premier secured the acceptance by a Legis-- lature directly under his control of a resolution asserting the right of the Province to with-- draw from Confederation, and threatening to do so unless certain grievances, of which the Province had, _ in his _ opinion, a -- right to _ compluin, . were redressed. And I uever heard that he or his Conservative followers were ever read out of| the Conservative party, but rather he was, patted on the back and eucouraged with,! * Good boy, Towser !' _ Mr. Speaker, is it not time that this cant of super--loyalty on the part of hon. gentlemen opposite, and chargin disloyalty on the part of the Liberal party, was put an end to and frowned down*? I d not charge, notwithstanding all the instance in which they have toyed with Anuexation and l rebeliion already referred to, that the Conser« vative party are disloyal. 1t would be crimi-- | nal to do so. L believe they are as loyal ns{ ' the Roform party -- x0 LEsS, NO MORK, Mr. MIuHRI The oniy diiference is, perhaps, that the Coun| He was a me servaiive party are more apt, when the cloud Mr. ROSS of politicat adversity overshadow theim, to seek| Companion, -- rolief in little petulant ebullitions of temper| oral elections in burning Parliament buildings, rotten--egging! Mr. Merner, a Governor--General or insuiting an heir ap-- pointed afte parent, but wheu the political sun shines out elections. again with patronage and pap in his beams the THE cockles of their leart are warmed, they (lou' He regrett their toggery, -- shoulder _ their _ wooden financial resc gun _ and | swagger | like | any _ Falstafl. almost to "l[" That? description of lip--loyalty is cheap, it to them. _ Fo costs nothing and its value is less than its) rOnto (Mr. F cost. Its value is arrived at by the old school.| population 0 boy rule of * take nothing from nothing and| or 8,000,000, nothing remains." 'This description of loyalty,| PAY the subs for which the hon. gentleman seems to have| §0ing to com taken out a patent, is of the sarsaparilla pop| remote that variety--a little noise, a little froth, a little ,ider it ; for gas--and all the life and vitality are gone when| 10n increase( the cork is drawn. _ The residue is dishwater.| last ten year Now I do nout say that the whole of the hon.| W°T® called gentleman's speech was made up of this fus.| But if they tian. Some of it was legitimate argument, and| they would hecan be argumentative and logical when he| the Past & likes ; but I do say that the leading| Dominion > characteristic of the speech was not an effort| 70 years fro to coustder the propositions on their merits,| expenditure but a set determination to lead the discussion And the deb into party lines and to have the resolutions C(®%S® in the treated in a partisan spirit, and this loyalty the bucket. ery and waving of the flag episode was man's critici either merely a device to draw a herring bavelaughe across the scent or an involuntary drop into . orIar® an old rut which from force of habit ho could 1t W&48 &A Ppar not resist. _ So much for this loyalty ery,. Provinces w i Let us now get down _ to -- business, beyond t And before entering upon that branch of the H9" t9 . I subject which I intend mainly to deal with-- for _ civil the financial--let me for a moment touch upon WCT® PrOPO! one other of the resolutions. _ I _ mean Provinces tl that regarding _ reform _ of the -- Senate, unal scheme The Hon. the Attorney--General has frankly admitted that instead of the proposition con-- tained in the resolution he would have pre-- Ontario .... j ferred to %uubcu CV db uwes meswes s Muiey i mems /69 se ie venery ues Nova Scotia ABOLISH TIHE SENATE ALTOGERTIHNER. In that view many on this side of the House and no doubt some on that wouid concur; but one Province cannot get everything its own way. The Senate was designed for the protection of the smaller Provinces, not the Furger, and for that purpose they were given a proportionately larger representation in it _ The question is, Is it fulfilling, as now constituted, &as main purpose of its existence? Is it representative of the Provinces* No one would have the hardihood to say it is It is only representative of the Government and party who for the time being has the power of making the appointments, and in making the appointments there has been a glaring and dis-- honorable departure from the express pro-- mises aud agreement upon which the counsent of the representatives of -- Canada was obtained to this mode of appoint. ment. _ Let me quote the 14th resolution to show the spirit in which it was provosed 6 x ty Cilye Hillicl l ige "Whsiews 142 wl 4 ut ciroenniP Tds 4 P s these npgomtmeutu should be made. Now in that resoilution the leading objects are :--1st. That the Local Governments in each Province shall have the nomination of who sha the representatives of the Provinces, and that is reasouvable, 'These LocalGovernments are con-- ||-- stitutionally and logically presumed to right-- 4| ly represent the Eeople of tfie Provinces, and are the best fitted therefore to nominate the Senators who ars to represent the Province. 2nd, That both political parties shall as near-- ly as possible be fairly represented. But hon, --gentlemen _ may _ say, Oh, that was only to apply to the first appointments. But even if there had been nothing more it logically follows that if it was right and proper that the Provinces should have the right of nomination in regard to the first appointment, so that the appointees should be actually representative, it is equally right and proper that they should have | the same right in future appointments; also, if it was equitable and fair that all political | parties should be fairly represented in the | first constitution of the Senate, it is equitable | and fair that an equitable principle should be | carried out in subsequent appointments. | Mr. Ross said that the Conservative Gov-- _ernment during their last periods of oflice had | appointed 31 Senators, of whoin 30 were Con-- | servatives and one was a Liberal. (Applause.) .i Eight Conservatives had been appointed al-- | most immediately after their rejection by the people of this country. 'Thus Mr. J. B. Plumb was made a Senator in February, 1883, having been defeated at the previous general celection, Mr, O'Donohoe had been made a Senator after being rejected three times by the | people. Mr. MEREDITH--A Grit candidate. Mr. ROSS said that Mr. O' Donohoe was considered a very good Conservative be-- | fore he attacked Sir John for breaking his promises to him. Mr. O'Donohue used to interfere even in local elections, and had fre-- \ quently spoken against hiimn in the local elec-- l tion in 1883. Then there was Mr. J. G. Ross, | who was raised to the Senate after being re-- | jected by the people in 1873. | Mrc. MEREDIFH--_--Ho was not defeated. : | He was a member of the Legislative Council. ; Mr. ROSS read from 'The Parliamentary 1 Companion, * Unsuccessful candidate at gen-- | eral elections in 1873 and 1878." (Cheers.) Mr. Merner, of Waterloo, was recently ap-- pointed after two defeats in Parliamentary elections. i THE FINANCIAL RESOLUTIONS. He regretted that the criticisms on the financial resolutions had been such that he had almost to apologise to the House for replying to them. For instance, the member for To. ronto (Mr. H. E. Clarke) said that when the population of the Dominion grew to 7,000,000 or 8,000,000, $3,000,000 would be required to pay the subsidies, and he asked where it was going to come from. 'The possibility was so remote that it was hardly worth while to con-- sider it ; for if the population of the Domin-- ion increased at the saime rate as during the last ten years it would be 70 years before they were called upon to consider the question. But if they must look so far into the future, they would see that at the rate of increase of the past 20 years the taxation of the Dominion would -- increaso in -- the next 70 years from $28,000,000 to $105,000,000, the expenditure from $35,000,000 to $122,000,000, and the debt to $670,000,000 ; so that the in-- crease in the subsidy would be a mere drop in the bucket. 'The fact was the hon. gentle-- man's criticism was so ridiculous that he must have laughed at it himself. -- In the ORIGINAL TERMS OF CONFEDERATION it was a part of the scheme that the sinaller Provinces were entitled to some counsideration beyond the grant given -- in _ propor-- tion to population, and the allowances for -- civil _ government _ and _ legislation were proportionately greater in the smaller Provinces than in the larger. Under the origi-- nal scheme the grants were as follows :-- Allowance for CivilGovern-- Subsidy. ment, etc. ONLARIO .. :sxcssss+rsse+s++s«@¥IA t DTE $83,000 guobcc l GAbksrre*a* e+rfe1++ QOUWRLE 70,030 Nova Scotia............ ...« _ 331,080 63,000 New Brunswick .......... _ 201,687 30,000 These amounts were embodied in the Im-- perial statute, and they were declared to be final and unalterable. _ But they did not re-- main _ unaltered. In 1869 a _ special grant -- was given _ to _ Nova _ Scotia of _ $59,337 for ten years, with a declaration that this was to be final. In 1873 an annuval grant of $150,000 for all time to come was given to New --Brunswick. This was given under the pretext that it was a pur-- chase of the right of New Brunswick to levy an export duty on lumber passing over the St. John. But the facts showed that this was a mere pretext. 'The amount collected by New Brunswick for export duty was $79,000 ; in 1854 it was $82,000. Aftertheduty had been removed the amount collected was $65,922, so that there was a loss of only $17,000 a year from the removal of the duty, And yet in consid-- eration of this they obtaino! a grant of $150,000 a year for all time to come. Then during that same'year (1873) the balance of the debt of old Canada, Ontario and Quebec-- $10,560,000--was assumed. They took go.~. care -- not v) _ COaL LCE NARECERL NY EL0 Quebec ~as _ with _New _ Brunswick ; but they felt that the other Provinces were entitled to an increase whenever an in-- crease was given to Ontario and Quebec, Dur-- ing the same year the grant to New Brunswick was made permanent. . In 1876 a grant of $26,-- 746 was made to Manitoba for six years, and in 1879 the grant was again increased by $15,-- 030. Pn 1882 the subsidy to Manitoba was further incroased to $109,547, and her allow-- ance for civil governiment and legislation was increased from $13,000 to $50,000, while the 80 cents allottedl _ to her _ by population was given upon a fictitious popula-- tion of 150,000, while her real populatio® 65,000. In the same year Manitoba w granted a further sum of $45,000 in liou of: public lands. In 1884 a reimbursement was made to Ontario and Quebec for the interest that they paid upon the surplus debt assumed by the Dominion in 1873 ; but care was taken that the other Provinces of the Dominion should receive an equivalent. _ Dur-- ing the same year a graut oi $2,3596,000 was given to Quebec as a return for Provincial aid given to local railways, while not a dollar went to Ontario. -- The cireumstances of the grant to Quebec are well known ; it was to a large extent the result of the celebrated meet-- ing in room 8, when it was said that the C. P. R. resolutions would not carry unless the grant wero made to Quebec. The fact was that the only case in ail the de. partures from the original scheme of Confed-- eration in which _ NECESSARILY CORRUPT OR UNJUSTIFIABLE The impecunious position of many Provinces, no doubt, necessitated relief in some form or . other from their financial embarrassments, and the political necessities of the Dominion Government made it difficult to resist their appeal. Hispurpose was to point out that such a system of capricious assistance was pernicious in principle, improvident in effect and unjust to Ontario. (Applause.) But the injustice to OUntario had not been confined to this sys-- tem of direct or indirect subsidies to other Provinces,. _ There was another system which had been lately inaugurated which was work-- ing just as disastrously to Ontario's interests as were those he mentioned. On a former | occasion he had drawn attention to the policy : of the Dominion Government in giving subsi-- --dies to local railways and had shown how un-- | fair was the result to Ontario, owing to the manner in which the Government distributed those subsidies to the different Provinces. Another year's experience had only aggra-- : vated the injustice that existed on the , occasion of his former remarks. _ What + was the result? What were the facts at the | present time? An investigation into the matter showed the total railway subsidies voted by the Dominion Government since 1882, when they were first established, to be $21,627,305, distributed in the following proportion to the different Provinces:--Nova Scotia, $2,711,000 ; New Brunswick, $3,506,600 ; Quebec, $3,506,-- 600 ; and Ontario, ounly $3,641,200. Was this fair or just to Ontario% New Brunswick, with a population of only 323,000 or so, received is | much as Ontario, with over two mil« lions _ of people. Now, the hon. gentle-- ' man, the leader of the Opposition, had | stated in his speech that it was not | profitable or politic for Ontario to seek to in-- crease her subsidy from the Dominion Govern-- ment for the reason that Ontario was at pre-- sent paying two--thirds of the revenue of the Dominion, and would lose more than she vwould gain by such an imercase. (Hear, hear, from _ the Opposition.) Hon. gentlemen opposite said hear, hear, from which it appear-- ed that they had committed themselves to that 4 opinion. So much the worse for them. oNxTaARIO HAD RECEIVED AXY BENEFIT was in the assumption of the surplus debt. In 1885, again, Manitoba was granted important additions, as follows :--First, all the swamp lands of the Province ; 2nd, 150,000 acres of good land for the university ; drd, her allow-- ance for lands was raised from $45,000 to $100,000 a year ; 4th, an increase of 80 cents per _ head _ of _ the _ population was allowed every five years ; and 5th, $3,113,333 was added to her capital ; or besides the land she was granted a cash addition of $210,000. Then and lastly, in 1887 Prince Edward Island was granted $20,000, and was now asking for more. _ In connection with the grant of land to Manitoba he would repeat that he thought it reasonable that that Province should have certain concessions, but the concessions made had been more than generous, and virtually amounted to a grant of $100,000 a year for all time, putting it in a far better position in regard to land revenue than any other Province in the Dominion, or an income from that source ot $1 50 per head as against 40 cents per head for Ontario ; be-- sides which it was to be taken into account that the land revenue of Manitoba was subjected to charges for management as was that of the older Provinces. Now, in reciting these various grants and subsidies to the difierent Provinces we were not arguing that in every case they were with OUutario and