The Ontario Scrapbook Hansard

Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 13 Mar 1889, p. 2

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C ally Ir. Waters crossed the floor | _ those members that lhad High schools at ; 1, es gte 'tz.lh'o 'H:u:: to hold a short consultation | | their doors were most in favor of free High . :;:g::{io:lh';;"l: :}};: bonefit'. of secondary with tho mover. Mr. Garson did not offer / gchooln, not the others. He \!anted % 188 | but little 'by the g,?f"'mnfl benefited any further resistance, aud cousequently | . imposed on everybody attending a High | well considor bef?x: e House ought to the order was discharged. It did not ap-- school. Rather than increase the support | pelling trustses t e ecacting a law com. pear that there was auy discourtesy shown to at present given to the High school system | g,p ouf pupils ( X llmpou feos on High | | the motion, but there was a feeling that the he would diminish it 'The Government ! iarvored nYlov;'in tll)lp ause.) . He himself | question of the enfranchisement of womenre-- graut to High schools, he though:, would be | every High lchogo ; toe.K:t:emmg board tof | ceived a fair share of the attention of the better applied than at present if it were | jggelf, ettle the matter for | House, at least during the present session. ;ie:;;t:«: to building railways in undeveloped Dr. Meacham said that if all the SA j * Miphe ections. fth j wexTtwokTH RoaDs, | Dr. Mclaughlin believed in a free Public g)im;! 'ChOIIam even thought of entering the |[| Mr. MeMahon moved for an address 80 | _ (in)jj ungq a free High school. Hechad in ghi sehool there would not" be J| his Honor the Licutenant--Governor for a | his mind's eye many a worthy young man room for them, unless the number of High J | return ofi copies of any corre_s;')oude?ce be-- yow. filling s responsible positicn, Tho schools was largely increased. The only | twee{\ the Ontario and D"'m""'&' G'°"°"'" would have been unable to rise from pov-- | | WaY in which all the children of the Pro. ; ments, or between the former an h'"y gor-- erty and attain his present place had he | | vince could be given opportunity to receive | ' poration or persons, relating 1t'° tl): (:iw"ert' bepn confronted with fees everywhere and | | liberai education was to clevate the staun-- | '3}"'5': sale or leage of _the th" "ittl at every s¢op, but who by reason of the ad. | | dard and increase the efficiency of the , Waterloo macadamised road, together ?vth s | vautages of free schools had been enabled || Common school. ' J copies of any papers in the possessiolt of et _ to achieve what success belonged to them. Mr. A, F. Wood, adding a few words to l Government relating thereto, .'"bfieq"w He had been in Scotland and in England, {| What he had previously said, remarked that ' 1 ;'%8%'" already brought down in the year too, and had paid considerable attention to il" advocating a general High school rate he + & <45 1 | _ educational matters there. _ As Mr. Gibson || did not wish to be understood as asking to Mr. MeMahon '"I'I?°F'°.d his motion ":i *" / had said, they did not aid higher education || have the grant diminished. He ""'*i;'t"d l J | able speech, after which it was allowed to / ;) /; y consequence was, so far as he || the grant continued and the compulsory | _ pass. C i could see, that poor children had no chance, || rate imposed in addition. 1 sUPERANNUATED TEACHERS, or very little chance indeed, of attaining Mr. Lees, of Lanark, made some remarks I Mr. Biyth moved for an order gf the those positions which could not be filled || that were inaudible in the gallery. ] House for a return showing in detail the save by aid of a liberal education, -- That Mr. Dance then made some closing com-- number of Public school teachers w!lo have was a condition he did not want to see in || monts and withdrew his motion. h accepted the terms heretofore imposed this country. DISCOYVEKEY OF GOLD. [ | in regard to the superannuation fund and Mr. Craig regretted that the member for Mr. Whitney called for correspondence | have withdrawn one--half of the amount East Huron expressed himself so strongly subsequent to previous returns, reluating to paid in ; the number of teachers who have against High schools. -- There was no agita-- | | the discovery of gold in lot number 9, in | not accepted the terms, and showing t0 _ gjopy against High schools, the country being the ninth concession of Marmora, and the ! what purposes the sums not already with-- perfectly satisfied with the present system, || report of Government claims and judicial | drawn ave devoted, or how funded. No argument was adduced to show that the || and other decisions in the matter. j Mr. Ross explained that the Act of Dr. | (Government should pass a law compelling || _ Mr. Wood, of Hastings, thought no good Ryerson's was that if a teacher desired to High school trustees to impose fees on | I purpose was served by the motion. withdraw from the profession he'could pupils, and for his part he would oppose || _ Mr. Mardy thought it was useless stirring , \ | demand one--hali of the amount Cfmtnbuted any such policy. | If the question were con-- l up such a very old matter, but consented by him. _ 'There were no complaints, so fart | gijered it would be found that the improve-- | to the motion. } as he knew ; and the annual report of tB@ | _ mant noticeable in the character of the Pub-- | THE ANATOMY ACT. | |__| Education Department went to prove that | lic school teachers of the Province was due | Tiz omxoxious CLAUSE AMENDED AFTER | contention. 1t was a well--known fact that| ;o the class of work done by the High MUOH DISCUSSIOX | | | teachers only received two or three cents | schools of the Province. He was glad to The H 4 A SSE o+ f ! '1' for every dollar they paid into the fund ; | pgar testimony to the efficiency of our High he House then went into committee on | | and to their credit he would say that 2O | gopools and Collegiate Institutes and would the bill to amend the Act respecting the [ | complaint had been heard by bis depatt | noj; be a party towards doing anything to study of anatomy, | ment as to any injustice done them i4 | retard the progress of schools upon which, The clause that proposes to amend the l the (ustnbutl'on of the fund, -- He consented | to a large extent, the Public schools de-- | presentlaw so that dead bodies found un-- | that the motion should be allowed. | pended. der the cireumstances set forth in the 1t beivg six o'ciock, the Speaker left the ' Mr. Dack spoke in favor of State aid be-- original Act may be claimed by relatives | chair. inz giyen to our High school system and OIlly, uud'uot by friends, was much discussed. HIGH SCHOOLS. 'held that it was desirable that fees should ; | Dr. McKay, in moving this section, de-- ) _ ArJrNER INTEREsSTSG DEBATE ON THE ' be compuisory in order to secure uniform. | | feuxded it. Mr. Guthric opposed it strongly, EDUCATIONAL SYSTKAM. ity. In Bruce County the High school | | pointing cut how hardly it was liable to ' After the six o'clock adjournment the | boards had fixed feesand were pleased with . | act in a country in which thore were so first question taken up was Mr. Dance's | the reault. HMe thought the Public schoo!: ' | many immigrants, young men, many of resolution anent High sohools, which is as | grants should be the primary consideration | them without a relative iu the country. follows :-- of the Government and that exceptional aid | They mighs have made ?'es of friends, That this House, recognising that the High | should be made to all Public schools in ; but there would be nobody to keep their 3%??0'::?.din(;.'l)xlleg:::cprlou\'c!cillg;e.rgf\tmisrl\)i": which a fifth form was taught. HMe would l')\(lldl)l' frlum th?a fdisls.eczing~ta;blle. Dr. te have : e great service | like the Public school grants to be increased /illoughby, in deferding the clause, re-- heinae. 4 "ion" bone medinicet . ts |alssund. marked thnt these weas tos mach prejertiss et. 'ent condition, is of ogininn that the time Mr. Waters said that if the Province cur-- | against the dissecting room. Mr. Awrey Rf, e'f":l.vcd "l['"; f)"_crh AC °°31" should be more | tailed its High school grant it would neces. | agreed with Mr. Guthric, and suggested so usnb(;le[()ip:: tec') miukgtiz' g\hm;YJE'\'l'sto:;'"ibl:twfugg sitate the establishment of one or two more geveral cases in/ which the moetion would sh-- ld be charged to pupils attending such | Normal schools, which would cost more. At bear very khardly on many people, an old se..ools, the same time the poor would be debarred | time servant, a life--long friend, etc., dying <he Minister of Education, in making a |from a higher education, while the rich | Without relatives, and the master or em-- few comments on the resolution, said that | would not then any more than at any other | ploj¢~orfriend unable to have the body he was always in favor of trustees imposing | time feel the difficulties in the way of get-- | buried. Mr. Awrey reimarked also that a fee ou pupils availing themseives of High | ting it Mr. Gibsou, of Huron, did not feel | the inmates of the lunatic asylums, those of | sc sols, commensurate with the advantazges | the want of higher education, because he | them who could read and understand, had, | th y were receiving. He urderstood that | had received a fair share of it in the parish | he understood, heard of the bill, and were this course was pursued in many schools. It | schools of Scotland, where an education was | in great trouble in consequence. Mr. Fraser } l w:s not the intention of the Government to | given that would enable the pupil to ma-- | thought the medical gentlemen who were aend the High School Act this session, but -- triculate at the average university. But | amending the Act were going a little too ifi they were called upon to do so in future this was not the case with the Public '!far. The section under discussion we« too th» motion of the member for East Eigin _ schools here. severe. Surely some machinery could be would receive the consideration it de-- Mr. Gibson--No ; but we want to make it | found that would enable a real and Lonest se ved. so ; it should be so. friend to claim the body of the deceazed and Mr. Metcalie was not in favor of any Mr. Waters concluded by saying that he | have it interred. Dr, McLaughlin ;@greed policy that would not lead towards makt'ug hoped nothing would be done to injure the || with the Cominissioner partly, but po'ited our High and Public schools free to all the High school system, nor in any way to|| out how necessary it would be that, i; the cciliren» of the land. Education should be throw barriers in the way of the humblest || Clause were altered in themannersuggested, as free as possible. and poorest of boys attaining the highest | careshouid be taken that the friends allow-- Mr. Meredith believed that the High positions. | ed to claim bodies should be friends to all School Act should remain as it is, because Mr. Harcourt felt that the people of the| intents and purposes and mot simply for f it would be unjust to London, Kingston _ Province had reason to congratulate them-- | that occasion only. Mr. A. F. Wood want-- | aud other places to be compelied to impose | selves that their school system works with ed the clause amended in the manner pro-- : ees on pupils attending these schools. such smoothness. OQureducational system posed. He thought the inmates of the | £ \tr, A. F. Wood favored imposing a uni-- | is thoroughly under the control of the peope _ asyluin no more likely to be affected by the form rate on High school pupils throughout | from the rural school to the collegiate prospects of their bodies being dissected the Province, stating that special rates in | institute. On entering upon his argument under the provisions of the bill than they certain schools was not fair to other schools | Mr. Harcourt said that he did not under. are at the idea of undergoing the post: | where no burdensome fees were exacted. stand the remarks of the member for--Hast -- mortem examination to which many of them | Mr. Gibson (Huron) maintained that the _ Huron to be in any way dictated from a _ are subjected. Mr. Guthrie here introduced , Public school system was the only one the _ desire to cripple the efliciency of the High & new point into the discussion by insisting ; [ | Government should foster. The Govern-- ; schools, He wauted the Public schools to that the Government had no more right to | | ment's duty was to see that every child got { be improved. (Hear, hear.) It was ap-- seize a man's body than to seize his pro-- l I | a good English education. If it went be. -- parent to all educationists that--it would be perty and bestow it on another person,. you! that it was class legislation. The Gov-- | better that there should be fewer High The State was only entitled to the body of ernment was going further in this direction | schools and more collegiate institutes, a man when it was liable to become a public | already than he wished. Its support of the | although all our High schools were charge. 'The bill propesed to give the | High schools was going up and that of the | in _a -- highly efficient state. _ The, . State power to seize and bestow bodies srat ; | Public schools was going slowly down. This | result of -- establishing a class _ for: friends, not the public, wou!d bear the ex-- || | was partly responsible fo>;bat crowding of | teaching the fifth book in Public schools, peuse of burying. Mr. GarsoA entered | | professions of which they hcard so much, | would be damaging to the pupils in the ele. , his protest, too, against the bill. 'Then | In Great Britain there was no support | mentary forms, and consequently a serious the chief promoter, Dr. McKay, put in ' whatever given to what was called "second-- injury would be done to our Pubiic school his defence. HMe asked the House to give | ary education." The primary educational | systeinm. It was not fair to say that the the medical profession a chance to enable it | system was supported there at the rate of | members of the learned profession were re--| to keep up to its present high standard, or ' about $4 50 per head as against the trifling | ceiving the principal advantages from our . even to improveit, 'They wanted only the asmount paid by the Ontario Government | educational system, because a careful study ; privileges wecorded the profession in most | towards schools of this order. He thought .A would show that the mechanics of our towp, -- Other countries. He would be the first.to | __ I & |

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