The Ontario Scrapbook Hansard

Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 14 Feb 1890, p. 2

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tint no ac Bar, " l 'Do-hiou u; over 1tyjie,ij have no r boom" t ,,V,.r__ ..-..u. uvu unto co pay it over." Well, now, 1 wish to inform hon. gentlemen that I have the written opinion of A gentleman Well versed in Do. minion finanoisu, whose right to speak with authority on thin question hon. gentlemen will not deny. that the Dominion would hand it over if delired. I will read what he aye. Other matters ere referred to, but I will reed the extract referring to thin par. ticulu thing _ Iknow very well that hon. gentlemen opposite have made objection to that item being treated us an amet in the past. They have seid you can only draw the inter- eat. They are trust luuda. which the Dominion will only pay interest on. The Dominion want consent to give you the Qtinci al. Now, I have nIWuys contended 'd'd'd'h'C'a, Ontario wanted to realise on M and Quebec and ehe united in asking that the principal eum should be paid over to them. the Dominion would never object ; M. eoon " Ontario and Quebec will any, " We want theee funds," the} , would be ready to hand' over. Hon. gentlemen opposite hive ntod that The cry hue been. " You . no righbto put that in as an asset.' the Dominion would not dare to m.- " -_-_ n an n - - The hon. Minister of Education said be "sorry to have to tell the hon. member that he was unable to give him any further Information on the subject than was contain. ed in the public aceounta,trut as all he asked for was contained in the public accounts he imagined he would be satiatixrd. The eon- ditions on which the grant was distributed were to be found in regulations 207 to 20') of the Education De. partment, and Were new just as they had been for the past eight or ten years. m did not remember that he had made any change in them l if he had done so the changes Were very trilmg. As to the dir- parity the hon. gentleman complained of, it Will natural the grant should not be always the some. Sornutiiuon the need of n particular school section wne n snllicwnt reason for the exercise of the clemency of the Education [Department in'rcspect to l the grant. There were many cases in which this might be done with beneficial silent, and some cases whore a little additional help was perhaps; nece"ary to keep the school going at all. The Department in dosing with the grant was guided by the necessities of the case so far as its course I Isa not laid down in the sections referred to. Mr. Preston cited an instance of disparity, HaG'a'd2"t'Ci"t1'.'d was not obvious to him, and the Minister of Elncation promised papers in this;csse should be brought down; monutime the motion stands. The House then adjourned. _ am. has," lil'lmlJ' SPEECH. L, In the preparation of the re rt of Hon. i'ik'.rtit.' ROI" odmimhlo /2ed,','irrh'llde,','rt cn'Thnrsdoy in the House, the subjoineil remarks "(are imetvertontly omitted. A: "Q main mention of a point oi portion- hrr interest and great importance they are given below. In discussing the Common School Fund and his treatment of it as an l svadshlo asset in his annual statement, the l hon, Treasurer said C--. I The Hon. Provincisl Secretary replied as fella!" ..-'I'he gross amount paid into the license funds for the license year 1887-8 was 8392.675 17 , for 1888-9. $470,855 50. The Imount imposed by the municipalities by by-luv in excess of the statutory duties for liquor licenses for the license yes:- 1887 8 was $69,546 . for 1888-9, 887,407. The gross amount paid to the municipalities on account of liquor license tees for 1887-8 wus 8156.979 89 ; for 1888-9, $190,297 T9. The gross smounc paid to the Province for liquor licenses for 1887 8 was $201,542 45 ', for 1888.9, 8232,511 56. Tmt POOR SCHOOL FUND. Mr. Preston moved for an order of the Home for s return showing the number of schools aided by grants from the Poor "I" Fund. He wanted to know, he .. . '" thiiactts" POND. 'Arr. Clancy naked what more the groin tmountl paid into the Liana. Fund for the your: 1888 and 1889 respectively? How much of the fund the municipslitioa im. poud by br-law over and above the statu- tory duties in each of such yours, and what were the gross amounts paid to the munici- palities And the Province respectively tor the "tttq years 1' - "vu- w w, no "'""ffe""g lull Ull'l'. than" be, for tho nmount'of money to be so distributed mu too large to he left at the diluntion of one person. He complained otthe disparity shown in certain caaen oi distribution. laid, iieliFii" iiio"tiiiif'iud",id iiiii,'iniii." and, if there was any bruit. Them did 1|thng a; be, he "mariyul, and than Wall, now.iii.iiii to inform uuuuuuuu replied that. he would endeavor to add to the grant in the auppmmentnry estimates. The deputation also asked that the trustees of schools m these districts be i001: sonom. GRANT. Messrs. Armstrong. Lyon, llronson end Coumee waited on the Minister oi Educa. tionnnd Minister oi Agriculture in the afternoon with a view to induce tho Govern- ment to give to poor schools in outlying districts the grant of 810,000 withdrawn from the Provincial Exhibition. They naked that, if such a proposal could not be entertained, the present grant to poor itchoolss be increased at least by $10,000. They represented that there were many schools in these districts payingn tax of three cents on the dollar, and that there are localities where new settlers have gone in unable to support schools. The Minister of Education replied that he would endeavor to add to the "my" in .l... .-t--ri- - _ COUNTY ROADS. Mr. Guthrie has introduced . bill to amend the Municipal Act. The main pro- vision is a very important one, affecting county roads. It proposes to invest County Councils with the power to pass by-laws to give up gratis to the local municipalities all county roads-nut toll roads-the locsl municipality being thereby responsible tor their repair. There are many counties which have extensive systems of county roads-tmme purchased from Joint Stock Companies, and some assumed and after- wards grevelled and nuumdamised at the expense of the county. This bill has ' petitioned for by the County Council of Wellington-a county which owns Mont 150 miles of gravel roads. There are no tolls on these roads. "this letter, Mr. Speaker, is from the Hon. Finance Minister" of the Dominion of Canada. (Applause) Now, I would ask hon. gentlemen opposite where they stand in their objections to this item? I have myself always contended that if Ontario chose to demand the payment of the capital held in trust for her by the Dominion, the Dominion would never hesitate to hand it over. And here wo have the Finance Min. ister asking us to take it over. It we did accept it and place it in the bank to our' credit, would it not he a cash asset? Hon. gentlemen are rather unfortunate in th y. contentions. First of all, they objected that we should take in any of these funds hold by the Dominion as part of our assets. Then in course of time they gradu. ally let thtumselve.s down a little. Then they took emphatic ground in regard to the t?2,M8,000 placed to our credit by the Finance Minister under the Act of 1884. They said the Act provided that interest only was to he paid. That was their contention for a your or two until the Finance Minister placed the amount in his public accounts to the credit of Ontario as capital due to her, and now we have the Finance Minister of the Dominion himself casting to the winds the last vestige of their claim, that the Common School Fund could not be treated at an av-tilaliie asset, by inviting us to take the money out of their hands! (Applause.) As the Common School Fund in sole]! for the benefit of the Province. of Ontario an Quebec and the Dominion simply acts as trustee in tho matter to invest the manor: and'pay overito the Provinces tho' interest. crived from such investments. it appears to the Dominion Gow ernment that it would be in tho interest-ot all parties it a tripartite arrangement were en. tered into and ratified by tho necessary legisla- tion wherch Iho fund and the property con- nected therewith should be completely trans- iorred from the Dominion to tho Provinces. null I am directed to ask your consideration: ot this suggestion. The reading of the letter excited much applause. Tho Treasurer continued p-- 'i.... I..AL-.. n. (V. __% __ g p ah

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