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i '_ / 4 L4 ' L #°C. of the s " "'v% nowiedgs The 'prrGienfar institu-- A , of the whole c Le ut he co * tions named, but it was a well--known hat )Y h _ per . , not including clothingy--and~. sost of living was very much higher there than fficial -- sal ies, would _ b the. avere -- 0 x' »Ug10, Bo it was a fact that quite alarge ; up to $6 04. At the Willard Hospital the '¥.proportfon of the patients of the American prop« salaries was 30 por cent. and the P .'gflmnllons were well paying patients, vo of maintenance, exciusive of ° 'such i figured hardly at all in the lot bi salarios, was $227; with all in« unu;!% igstitutions, Mr. Meredith thought C _A contrast in ealaries paid it * y -- that the _ Govornment--the Y be American institutions _ to' ._ membetk of which really must have plesty of be higher than those of On-- time'®ortBladir hands for their work, he said, ario." fircnru were given to show could generally be done by first--class clerks. It | tha I ar of inmates of those institu« was n pity, he said, that they had not devoted tions had r'n"".;((lt in full proportion to the : l{netr :'menlionf to devising so;nuhachemc for acrease of expenditure. the reduction of the exponse of these institn-- . |K;Mr, Mardy procesded then to discuss the _ tion .silch as could no doubt be achieved if | . xt nts made by the Opposition regarding * :hJ get about it. Moe thought they were ~ h of the Province. It was no '_dax in thgir duty, too, in not having made an | Pawer to these men to say that the Dominion ©-- attempt to induce the Dominion Govern--nent t <« iment pursued the seme policy as the 2 totake over to itsolf the Contral Prison, such Datario Government . with rosgoct. to the .: ~_ agheo feltaure was the original intention of , . managemert of these funds, but he (Ms.s, > > Saimifeid Macdonald, Mociosed with a briecf \---- A~. He ould.tell them that it was a perfectly reference to the railway anuuities and a de-- 3 a ment, )t was amere question of elaration that he was sureeof sitting on the , I . and he left it to the cuuntg to Goveinment side of the Hottse next year. I rov the criticism of Mr, H. K. When the Attorney--General rose at ten min-- latk@-- a in * ab mc;lt_hoa f '.-tu.hopl.e'd \'nes after eleven to re{»ly) he was greeted with not s ou Y 18 riends in mimense applause, | e challenged the Opposi-- | [ 2 )t _ _ Coming ___to -- the _ Provincial tion to poi':st to a single iteimn of the public Rebp the Commissioneg of Crown Lands said assets and liabilities that was concealed from hay surely a dCbW comes due 40 years the people. 'Thoe Opposition were indiznunt --heuke is not a debt of to--day. -- Is that the way because the people of the country would not \ M « Clarke calculates_ the debr of the be misled by their statements. _ Ho would tell Dém in erament? Would he add the them that no perverse, ingenious argumenis Lotal Interest of tho debontures, representing and unsubstantiated statements would mislead ,fl.r..m_ 4o the principal when he knew the country. (Applause,) They also talked of ; h they extended from 20 to 40 years? lt the dissipation of public money, but the record would be unfair to do so, and iv is as unfair to of the Government showed thero was no 'compute the dobt of Ontario by anticipating waste of _the public money. It was B «debts not due. puito a righteous use, (Applauso.) Nothing The Commission er of Crown Lands then took astonished him more than the way in which the member for North Grey under his charge. hon. gentlemen opposite had criticised the table _ Immh Mr. Croighton had said that the of the non, Treagurer. lt was contengaed by M ~1re ion Government did not refuse com-- them, one after another, that the railway an-- pound interest on the Common School Fund ruities snould be capitalised, Now, there was until the Treasurer told a delegation from the no ground for the pretence that this was kept municipalities that it was not seitled whether from the table with a view to its being kept compound interest would be allowed by the from the poeople,. 'The annuities had been issued Dominion Government. 'The member for under ah Act that had been fully discuss»d North Grey justifGied tho Dominion Govern-- in the Houso and reported in the pross. 'The ment in breaking faith with this Province. It peopie knew all about the whole matter. 'The was insulting to the intelligence of the matter was fully discussed and fully under-- | House _ for Mr. Creighton -- to declare stood evorywhore in Ontario. 'There was no | that the Dominion Government were justi-- attempt made to conceal anything in connec. / fied in witholding, the rights of this . rion with it. Its omission from the table of Province because the Treasurer told a delega-- assets and liwbilitics was in no way a tion what he was bound as an honest man to concealment. -- 'The question was, Should tell.. It was charged by the Opposition that it have boen _ placed _ there? _ Follow-- the Government maintained an army of ing out the business methods of orheri employees in the public service, but they on cuncerns, it should not appear there, The ; h!- (the speaker's) side 0( the House might, hon, gentlemen opposite asked them to Yut{ wlth'moro reagon, animadvert on the revenue down the mortgage they carried in their lia-- > and Customs oflicers, !hg positmasters, the vol-- bilities,and asked them not to put down among ! unteer ofticers and the Colonisation Inspectors their assets the property on account of which | in the e!n;_).loy' of the l)unjmlpu"(-r:'iernmem. the mortgage was paid. There wasa good doal of | in the Northwest their officers filled the land criticism astothe appearance amongassetseven | like locusts, (Applause.) They were not con-- of t¥e U. C. School fund, and other funds held tent with these, for they Dl\:'»'*"'l a Franchise by ti*e Dominion Government, and which the | Act which cost the country $500,000 in salaries Dpominion gid not deny owing, inasmuch as -- for oflicers to carry it out,. (Applause.) And #.ey consented to pay interest on them, But yet hon. gentlemen opposite talked of wasto of the Ouposition should not treact the table of the money in maintaining asylums and in teaching Troasurer as if it contained all the assots of the deaf and dumb of the Province. _ It shows the Province. Ontario was richer in assets . how sincere they are in their cry when they than any State of the Union oraimost any support the extravagance of their friends in other country in the world. There were its Olta wa. ]lfl was reminded that the l)l)nlhllon ¥ast resources in Crown Lands. j Government spent thousands of dollars in "Are you going to goll them?" asked Mr. ; trying to get control of the Inspectors of Liquot Mercdith. o cmad Licenses in Ontario. The Government were The Attorney--General repliecd that no doubt aiso censured by Mr.H. E.Clarke for placing tho ""3'{""'?'"'.3.2'.['0 :3'.(3"?}'" oc"",".m?{" de'."."'l'd","' T. | monoy:omfing from the sale of li\mber to the gr the country vrrquix,"erl o 'l'heex:'Ll'l;'u?«'smistlli account of current revenue. ¥here elso 11 trnd L could they place it Is not that the system "'l":nv"::?:'sw&n:l }',r:&'t('_';' :,m:'?({r 'h::ms. if ;" that was in vogue in old Canada, and that s C y d Aeovinl uk pit Ernp Hepon t epnte| s f o A A urf + eludod in the 'Treagurer's table thoy would was handed down since Confederation ? 'The hW i onivliferchace between ts Foedoral LoOYerh-- amnunt, noi to six or sevena millions, but to e & 7 a ro o 4 Hity--six millions, and much more than that. ment and the Ontario Government in this a s h : bespoct 1y 'that --the" former put -- all And in those assets there would be nothing to _ recoipt@. but they. chargeo one--half that would not be counted by every firm or cor-- ¢ 'xpenditure nbDit: wA ns I':.H"IUUII dcong lmulnesi. in a senpsiblo manner. ; 8'",5:"':'0'."'"",':;:, é'l:',ufi,;.':,l.;l l':\(;"'tu.::' ('(l"l:'e. lion, gentlemen opposite always repudiated missioner of Crown Lands to name any countiry r,"y ._cl'iercl(l'vus .nmdfs d tlh? E;r:u:ln-m of the in the world that pursued any other system )zmu'un 'nlvn nlm,n(._ and deciared lh-'\': such ; than that in vogue in Ontario respecting re-- arguments had no bearing on the qucstion at | ceipts from woods and forests. 'Then again the o Nss 1t has a b"',".""'ln' on tho question, 'They | L:oremmentl were told to bharbor aud save the gg}:;;;el:p;;(g';:.)'3:?:::171 bnen'«'imll;\l:uthgfs{fl'"'".' of eq np y ririvd t i e Gov-- :x;'lli::: g':dli:loe:::',; :_.':\';Z'u{l-',I:ltcsw(.;:cd(§g\l-:-'r;". ernment ?{ Ontario. 'They denounce the Gov-- . 5 D lustity i =E, i ernment for the same practices as are ndopted | :&?I:to:..r?t;?sl;muwg-xl'l:l.;l!:q-lti"r? llx'n'("(k:u}(lauu'l" : '{.n.".' ttm')mvv;l' 5 byl ""","' lfricllula in I'm"nw"' | sales. 'The navent of seitiers endangored the on o chommecieas uanbie n ie ie e Antthoy | i Eras ; c cantsaan'1 don't themaselves beiieve what they are endeca-- Pearsonlt E595 scuaretites ol uimiet minne | _ Yormictomnake thecountty Dobiave, hicg uie | were sold, for which $2,490,300 was received, not honest in incir sentiments,. (Applause.) ; Mow did the Dominion Government stand in ho leader of the Opposition declared that no | this respeci, 'They sold in less than two yoars, reliance could be placed on the comparative | 49 1883 and 1884, 5,335 square miles of the timber nuiioieony, on o PC . cony, o6 inainfaining | limits of{ Ontario--{applause)--for which they :::'il(':.m'l" msh'(?\tsL:'ll\:;d lStM'l"sl ""'lb in On« | civw 29, 00. tG la 8. "Th; ' Y 10 dic no inquire | mo sny.q'"l{u?\d:n?'ffid'.\lfl?'fi.'ififl'_m?"tl:v)' '..:'u'd' cnougg rog-rdiu;ent ho"umllor. He ]hud time | wice € Srep. enough to do so, 'The House was asked to ro-- | Hiotand en eet o de wiee Cucesutheg| -- mementhatthe Govermment challoraedo the are the men who lecturo us on our timber pposition many. years ago with a similur j policy. 'They want us out of power without eoinparison, showins that the asylums in On-- t giving any gurrantee that they will not carry '"'I:: inw:::»';r s'"'l':'e""';"'l'gc U""im" 1'9'; er"l';'(f | out the policy of their friends in Ottawa«." o ARae isA tha" mrare | (Appiause.) leador of the Opposition studied the facts | Mr. Meredith rose, the debating talent on his fi.r he irnows ."f':'"d i o Lo. 8: * (Applause.) | side of the House being otherwiso apparonily he Attornoy--CGoneral (h:m turned _ to the | exhausted. He made the usnal protest agninst aintement made by Mersedith to ihe effect <he| the introduction into the House of Dominion | all th» (.ovennnmn ""p'"""Nt.w.\,'"h ' "; topics. --If the Dominion Government's mode of | excepiion of "'"l of Uf'.' Anuf-".':.'.'("".'.fl(';'«' | daulingl\\'ilh timber limits was inferior to that , ::,'(':k'.i.'-c':"mn\'\l':"'j"",y"" ,"'.TL(','II:??I:;H::,',', frie ,::l' ' of the Province they had the Mackenzie Ad-- | a & . Lt £ is h io "chat 1 ministration to thank for the introduction is Py ing . to.. convince _ the CounUl) :h.«'( of the present methods,. lIf the Provincial he can easily carry on lh: S"v{'-w.""'t"mtf. arstem was superior to that of the Dommion | (Applause and laughter) Speaking of the | they had the Sandfield Mac. 3 yiotobintnd I'reasurer, he said that there was atiached ro' 1 the 1 Macaonald Govern /A hi t of the affairs of the ment to thanak for it, for under that Adminis: l lli:l(:lt:lo ","fl;::':':;'l.'l.'i"i" abid Cenirel *Prison. | e 5 m wek s ) ns, o n: LCR J 1 « & Lration it was n'un:guraled.' The l(,mu:l: u! l!u. WVhese duiies involve the exercise of more t Opposulu'n'x procewied to charge the Govern-- thought and ability thin the Treasurer-- , ment with exiravagance and wastefuiness in | y p T iriairs ,'lloalinf with its Crown Lands, ..fifi'?.'.:f.'dfi.f-.'i | ship, _ If _the .lcn«'iOT C l\t"q Uppo",{'.:fi,'; ! several cases in which he allegod this to be S onarens ; catk hot cenfiiciontly " odneatod c ieuo S to the Incronsed exnond k that he was not sufflciently educated to -- eouspicuous,. As to t nereased expenditure, ; 4 > wiJ : h m * earryon the (Governmont of the Provincs, «¢ no man of senke wonld claim that in a progres-- | C m umt f o ader _ wive Provirce such as Ontario t thiurbes Now, said the Attorney--ieneral, the leaqer of ~ under thom.mw head l;hd it u'f' _c.\p'ou_ _"u"' | the OQpposition w is extremely anxious that no Thents should Bot iucrcabl" '(\?'""'\I'.'""{'."' j conirast should be drawn between the methods i peotested axninst tho lut} b'~ir." Meredith | of the Dominion awd the Province in regard to wP st_ ity being imposed | th s management of Crown lands and timber +5 tho Opposition of protesting nv: i A 8 in nc 64 item of expenditure passed by th l'"""" limits, He did not wouder ai it, They had of exponditure passed by the House, l just heard that to securec the very smail snum or always aiterwards withhoiding their t asti criticism, 'That was not the way gwlthl tho ;.uuy got last year they had to pay ou: astill i * * arger «um. % fil:dv;s &vx«:'t'i&n'n& d Al.; t.or d-odfixureu Mr. Nir, Mevedith asked if the Attorney--General in Fekaltd _ to _ the were usingy the fAgurcs of Mr. Gibson, of 'U:" ':g 'é'::;fl':ln':'h}n"fiublona the'v did not H ~on, without verifvinz them. | go. Me was, of course, KiX