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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 13 Mar 1890, p. 2

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mom in connection with the University, twt'errvd to the lurk ttt suitable net-ominodnt iou With which that Goran): nt War; for some time eu+turrassotl, mu then to the determina- t tion to i-roct the present building, the grant , for which the liouse had unanimously up. . proved of. lie won glad to be nblu to any that the b':':l-lirg v its one of tho best of its kind on the Fun lilt'ltl. .-.tul many of the tli-iincustshtut American:, who "i'?"' prmwttt, on Ihc duty of oprming Imd stated this to him very cmphnti. cnily 2 they wmo loud in thoiroulosties' oil and ho hull lwctt delighted to incur it so well spoken ot on all sides. Mr. Bolton: was we". notln suppoaim: that tho Biological Depart ment was in any wary applied to tho study of medicine. 'l he tact Wits that llll' old 'l'oronto School of Modicino had practically suspended "acharterand Mud bet-oint- lll' lit-tlicnlk'nculty of the Univi-rsiiy of Toronto. uhd it hnd done thisof its own motion. 'l'lte medical students In concurrent-e with the art summits rum-in d the lectures dt-lin-rcd lry Mv. [tummy Wright in the Biological Uepartnoutt. The country was put to no expense wLat.cccr by reason of the tnetliotl students listening to those lec- tures, nor Wars the Province doing anything to unfairly promote, the study of illdt'lclut'. He was glad to any tho learned professions in I'an. nd" wuro able to provide for tltetttsvlvcs, mid l he did not think it was the Government's busi- ness to do so. The Mcdical Focuity was a; faculty of the University, and was simply do- I ing its duty in providing tor the tsttcttdutice of 1 its students at thvselectures Mr. Balfour. complained that tnsutticicnt information was i fiven regarding Unit'ersity limiters. Well, : t could be Been by looking track over I the reports which the President had present- ed that they had cotttttittcisuclt Information . as was usually contained in departmental rc- f ports. and. us he hind before p .nitcduut. ho , would be happy to give any infornmtion in his l power asked or by any member of the House. Ar. Balfour him rem-irked that phms of tho I buildings should he referred to the uoverntnvnt before chug tinnlly proceeded with. This wns l provided tor under the Act, andthe Govertt- l ment now had to sanction or meet plans. As I to insurance. the Government had included the ' University in the "choral scheme ot insurance that extended over all Government buildings before tho non-insurance plan was adopted. It was the boat scheme practicable. 'I'hd Univer- sity was insurod for tho unmttnt which was thought suitable. n was always the practice insure buildings tor less than their real Value, and he thought they hm! reason to be thankful that the policy had been as broad and ()lg'i,tltrd,it, had been. '1'ttotmsuranco was in "public interest. Mr, Balfour objected to --.-- - v-..»u...-ug our. ovul'lullUCo The Minister or Education. in moron". col- T cratulnted both gentlemen on the tr endly tone in which they had spoken of the University itself. He then repeated the information given on the introduction of the bill concerning the endowment of the University and theHand grunts orifinaily made and tsuttaequenty re. stored by t m Legislature of Upper Canada on its behalf. thawing nine that up to the present time the Ontario mu-'slnture has never been 'i',u,lthytp, for a single dollar towardetho fundao theUnivornsiti. Concerning tiiequea- tion of State management and divided respon- 'sibilitiott,tltt, Minister of Education pointed out that the Stuio Universities of the United States were mentored almost. entirely by Board. of Regents, and the State Legis- latures had little to do but receive the annunl reports, and in some case: to apgoint a proportion of the members of the . Boar . The position of the Ontario Govern. ment in regard to the Provincial University wee somewhat analogous. but they had a. little more responsibility than most of the State-en to the domestic management of I he institution. Also their control over the s'iiil' was absolute and had always been so Aa to the general dorncststiontaniuerucnt ot the institution. thll covered many things. such as the curriculum of studies, the appointment of "ruuuiuera and oxamitrations, etc. and by section 59 of the Act covering the matter it would be neon that all this was relegated to the Senate, but that the actions of tho Senate dill not become oper- ative until they had received the sanction of the Governor in Council. The Senate was se- lected from various classes of citizens. Some of them were appointed by the graduates. It won known to all of them how keen was thointereat taken by every graiiiintcin his altnatnator. and they generally chose as their representa- tives the most brilliant and progressive of their number. Then the ntllliati-d Colleges were represented on the Board. generally by their heads and one other: and, besides. nine mem. bers Were appointed by the Government tri.. enninlly from among tho most prominent busio tte.Wd '.men, exlueaiionists and other. of the Province. The Senate iiindo laws regarding the curriculum standard of matriculation, times otexammntrotts lilltl the general details ot the internal tt"1nttgt'rtrtrttt. But it wa- iieceaaiiry that tho Govcuuunvnt should have some chi-ck on ths Senate. and so their action was subject to tho approval of the Governor in C'oittuul. A good tttany bl'li"\"'d that ihe responsibility shoull not be so divided. but that, the senate should have full right of action in all such matters. just us had other Senate; such as those of Trinity and Queen's. which were not. connected will: the State. The Gov. erii.iient did nut, however, agree with thin View. Tho Iittattciul m iiiognnii-ot of tho Uni. versity was in tho hands of the Mount of Trina.- tens. timi. ily hiit't'ldl provision ot' the Aqt. ordinary expenditure of tho University "a. not required to in: rvt'vrlvd. to the Havel-nor m Council. Any llii'lilllt'l' or tho Hy/l" mizra inquire into llllTl hill}: otrrcl ing the~ ' ittir, oi sity, and so long as in: Win Minister at iu'iracation he would ilo his boat. to give wt it! Was" hell. Also, the uniiunl ri-poi'i of the. Trustees was 1uid "u Hui Lnlllil of the House for the use of members. The lion. g"lll:"llilill tuen related Ilu- facts connected Willi the t'titttblisltttte" twelve years ago of a Biological _depnrt- moot in connection with the University. -- -.-. wV-'a-IIUIIIII - any "vnv ptupu'w I" schooln in aparsriy rattled districts. wrongly termed poor schools. a lone debate would ensue. though atroctimT so keen): mnny thous. and children. yet it seemed likely that a mo- tion involving so large n sum as Sib0.000 would pass with no debate or explanation at all. Mr. Wood outcrtuined similar views to Mr. Bub to!!!" gonocrninz the residence. - "-"q .""'""Ph"r - um uluvvmtyg In" Ill did not tq1rljuistittod in voting to large . sum, for the aid of the Univernny Without a further explanation us to what the relations of the Bonn and Governman \Mro with the institu- "in" I " an additional gram. were proposed lo an M .. .'.. -M.._.._L_ Mu . .., . 'Pr. a of the 1nruso. for the use of hon. gunk-mun men minted acted with the establishment ako. of u. JtioiystieN _dnpm':- entirely by Stan: Legu- but receive some cases uuu nuronmmul accepted it, and tho faculty of the Toronto School became tho Medical Faculty of the Univ, rally. He rerouted. that these lectures that were given in Uicllinlogicnl Department were given in any case to the Art students by Mr. Ramsay Wright. and cost upytiuitnuirobs tho medical students being allowed .0 hear thetu. That was simply an ad- vunmfothe UniversiLy medical student got, thouglufor that mutter, students from any Medical Collects would be allowed to heir _ H _ .- - .u. u"... "no uqu responsible. Mr. Ross, as soon as Dr. Preston sat down. carefully went over tho facts again in connec- tion with thoFssociution ot the elt-s'aculty of the t!ld'l'ororttarjddi of Medicino with the Uni- versity of 'l'uruuto. He showed that when the Trustees haul docided to revive the Faculty of Medicine in connection with the University it had made otrers 'ii.mutt!1npousiy to the two Schools of Medicine. Trinity and " ronto, taking that the facilities ot either or both should become associated with the University. Trinity had declined the offer and Toronto had accepted it, and tho faculty ot the Toronto School became the Medical Faculty of the Univcrsitr. He rerouted. that these lectures that were given in the Biolouinul 'h...-.,--. ___ . ' Some discussion ensued between the doctor Ind Mr. llurdy as Lu wthn-r " hull was really to have been held that evett. ing if the tiro had nor taken place. but lho doctor cluinmd to know best because he hadibecu there, and had not only seen the young man ttttd their quests dune-inst. but hml netunllvduuced ttitutself, therefore it. was a ball and it was no use culling it anything else. and he thought the student.» should curry on such things clanwhure and not in rooms for duumgo to which the Province was held responsible. Mr. Ross, as soon us Dr. Preston Bat down. carefully went over the tuctsugain in connec- tion will. thog...,......:...:, - . A- - De py w" - ,_,_. -.._ -.rFr.F.b.%'"Erv .Viou"- .v. All the denominational Colleges. he pointed out. had residences. and the Method- Rts Intended having at residence at tlv.irnew College. The residence. too. improved disco. lne, owing to the students in vivsidcnve being presided over by the Dean. He considered the tdvantnges of a lad in residence as very valu- tble and very many. lie rend to the House an :xtrnet from a letter from aSuperior'L'ourt ludue. who said of the residence:~-" I consider he training to be received there of at least us Teat value to them (the atlttlolllsi. intellec- Fuully and mar-lily. " that. received in the centre room." Viewing the residence as it 'trcctod the student intellectually. Mr. liar- ourt was. if unything. eVen more pronounced " his views. In this respett he believed it to be of very great value. He spoke of the ad. mntuges of association with each other are:- hose, of bcine sextttercd in various: boarding tonnes. of the bvtrctit, to be derived from the proximity of the library, and from the constant iomlningllng of the representatives of tho various denommutions always included "nong- the students in residence. lie pointed out. too, that the residence was self- pnylng. and could not therefore he objected to th the ground of expense. He spoke strongly ntnvor of the bill, and hoped it would not neat with any actual onposnion. Mr. Harcourt agreed with Mr. Armstrong no to its being the duty of the, Govnrnmont to we that poor schools were duly assisted. und Mr. WUtVrurwasquite right in asking for any In- formation ho wanted. lie buliuvu-l lhcro had won no desire on Lilo var: of tho Govirtuncut lo withhold information. ilu agrcnd. too, that the legislature should hnvo Ilia right to ilLlal'il 'ondltions to its would. Foe instance." Would " quite romonuhlo for them to trequire that :he new building should be tin-proof. Mr. Harcourc's upveuh. however. was mainly di- rected to the question of the rcsidonoc. and whether]! was tturteticiut or otherwise to the institution. Ho defended tho residence warm- y. All tho denominational Coin-gas. he pointed out. had residences. and the Method. sis intended having u rosidcnco ttt linlr new i College. The reside-non. too. improved disenp- i inn, osvinertr, vim cumin..." 4.. _-. t i 7 . _ ' Mr. Armstrong intimated that tho City of l'oronto ought, to commune generously toward :he restoration of the building. Wlnlo they were considering the question of higher educa- tion. they should not target the claims of lower "iueation, and especially of the your schools of tho Province. llc believed the gram. to these wheels should be largely increased. than having very line and handsome rosi- denccs. Nearly all the Universities and ttttlli. ated Colleges of Unnndn had re idem-es. He had himself tnlkml with the akunmilshod President. Sir Daniel Wilson. on t e uestion of the retsidertoe,and the President (had ox. prommd.ltinttorlt strongly in favor of its ro- tontion, boliuvinu that it added strength to the institution and did not impair its usefulness in anyway. it was impossible to "otcsiitiet? the question in ullils aspects, but there seemed to be more in favor of rctnininz than abolish. ing the residence. Mr. Ross thou eloquently depicted the ntlvnntngos to the i'rovinco of a strong and complete University, showing its grant intlueucus on all grades of education, and "gums: that tho House owed it to Iho people to sou that tho l'rovmciul institution: did not "ttrcr because of the great calamity that had overtaken it. 'ttM'?,','."',".",,'?,",?", [in custom in most Unl- T ',til'ltt kind ti harmless amusement, and the- on. or its bringing about such a cat. utrophe would. of course, never have occurred toanybody. As to Um residence, which Mr. Bglfour did not approve of, there was a great. deal to be said'on Dom sides. In English Uni- versities the residential system prevailed: in Scotland it did not; in the United States tho yawn} my; mixed. sgmc ot the Universities my! into the mtriircdiiGdiicio2'. Wish to be regardcd as hoslnlu to Ly any tttore, than other members rt..-..,'... ts _.,, . t ensued betweenthe doctor y an ko whcxhvr " ball have been held that even. hlml nor ta.lcen place. but , bclieved "nu; spoke of tho ad. mp other over so in the en urged to e. He went the Vlvctures 75'

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