The Ontario Scrapbook Hansard

Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 13 Mar 1890, p. 4

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v*v0 ' l'li who wou' t do tt"*"tOppogt * ; ze planso,. o would like to "the siPSot » y ing ' S#UIat such dnagarmen tas ooo peege( aeebemnseenn nc telne condhe, ake in the whole district,. "#!.. S3 PCY L iz member o Mr. Creighton said the i\""l"'C?-Ge'nonhvhn"l !l'lllll?nI:l:'fi'l'l'cl:\(.::j::xrlelllilztrll:}(')':'gl;:llmp Polthmnt ";=:cn very weak dofence of the infrif{gement l Mi\f(.';'eighlonjumlwd up to d«-lctl alx!:-mxsl:ut he } of the staiute & inke was prepared to prove everythi ho re . bu_fu guilty, of which the Government had ' h'n;x'ig'(-, amillu llfillil}()n Ll\u}rllh:::'bul?'?]l.(,l. l,'fo:};ic Lo he amend ras the s | as ho insisted he had made, EhT ce es *A with the f('"ul::.:::L :.\".:Thx;.-'u_\ put and voted on, | "l_\lhe,,iounml ie mmmgtflffler}' charge made | / , 'l'\ EAs.--messrs. Biyth, Clancy, H. K. Clarko | Mr, Clancy continuea the discussion for some [ 1L' oronto), Craig, Creigh:on. -- Crugss Fell, | !umuLw:?. and then Mr. Ross replied to some of Erench, Hamme!ll, Hess, Huwison. In '""l- "'.:? criticisms of his ex planation, Keras, Lees, Marter, Meacham, Mercaith, Mot: Then Mr. Whitney made in explanation of the t|"\llr. Miller, Monk, Morgan, Ostrom, Preston sense in which he had used the remark, that A\t\()}'];('. Smith (Fr BISRECH, Stewart, To vlu.!. r:.lw .H'.vpnsllh):l had nu(l the ml""""-fik'h'()i C nitney, Willoughby, Wood (tiastings), W ylie | conduit pipo laid on from the Treasury De-- --31. + C* | partment." He had not used them in any '.\A\Yx' --Messrs. Allan, Armstrons.Awroy l other than an jocular sense, and he thought the 3: L .x., ir, Ballantyn«, Bishop, L resare" Bronson | l(vlnlnc had ,\'U understood tho point at the time, ild well, Clarke (Wellingt onmee, | &' 1 ien at ton ininutes after midnig i & P ince, Davis, Drury "hln 'n '""1:'\; ut 'k\ | House adjourned. dAnight the Ferguson, Fielid, Fraser, r':'»-".."'- (;" on' | Stteteernemrememnmermememmmmememmmmue Gibson (Hamiiton). Gibson (Huron). Gilmour. ' \.\.,l'l\\... Urabat, _Guthrie, -- rHare 'k.i,_\.' Hal ... 11' 3 1 "-T"'!'I\L",\;'-t';':»"'\.\ Mchaughli Mahon. | 'Connor, Pagand, Pheips. Rarside Robillari | Ross (Huron) Il' 4, 'heips, Rayside, Robillard, | sSnider, \"'__ \ * :-~ .\'. Adl 'sex), sSmith (X ark), | (Brant)--53; gue, Stratton, Waters, Wood The lkn; C Iiii':4\~ A;L,;;'-'Il XPLANATION, ' | mittes se then, resolved itself into Com-- | ttee oi Supply, Mr. Marcourt in the cthour. | "I 1e iofowing couple of hours proved very 1N resting,. f ll,.A" }',HX" 'l reasurer rose and proceeded \to raised | Geinnelt explanation as to he point ised in the HMouse the other day by Mr. reigniton in connection with' the alleged dis crepancy in the open accounts between the mOlC * oui Of 1057 and those of 1 l0 Mr. ,"l Aiwto ""y' 'l"' to explain the matter off nand, DuC staied that it was in conn« on wil the corroctions made of the errors disc yl,_"lx._'l ind brought before the House in 1887, and he promised a fuller explanation later. Since then I'he Empire has had a number of articles on the subject, thoroughly denouncing the Treas-- nror and Ni3 stein of bookkeoping. Mr. lto--s !ll" the worst of these in his EME and quoted from them a goindl _ m § paragraphs _ and sentences, which he characterised as alvogether wrong and untrue, no matter whether written in an editorial chair or made in Mr. Cre igshton' ca pucity as a member of the HMouse. 'Tho Treas-- iwor defonded the Auditor because that ofticial was unable to be present himself, and because he relt that !l"v',il\'"l,':} do so. He showed Liint it was Mi. Creighton, nout ho himselt, who had blundered, and though, as he pointed out, he was not responsible to the House for the accuracy of the public accounts--the Auditor was that--yot he was willing to assume that responsibility, and he chailenzed Mr. Creigh-- on or anybody else to point to haif a dozen ¥ lers in the hall--dozen years during which he had been Treasurer, In the course ofhis re-- wety ) ho suki ithat some of the biiterness with which The iEmpire attacked him might be due to his (the speakers) aclion in removiea two of AMr. Creighton's personal friends from positions in the Treasury Department. | Mr. Creighton replied very warmly. He said | there was not a word of truth in this sugges-- ion of Mr. Ross,. Me had had very little to | iy to the late Assistant Treasurer--hardly | spuke more than half a dozen words to him | luring a year. Neither was there anything in | the insinuation that the Opposition were n-- | noyed because they could no longer get infor-- | malion from th Prexsury Depariment, M ' bad never got any iniormation from Mr. Hoa ris that could be used against the Government, ' nor bad he attemplé 0 do so. A curious point of order arose from & ini -'v:...".'.-i tion by Mr.Creighton of some words used by Als, Ross ir. R explained what lhey wore. li|<~| words themselves had been uttered,but used in an entively different conuection from that in l which Mr. Creighton placed thein. l Mr. Creighton said he would tru t to his own r€ A what Air, Hoss id. l Mr. Ross protested against this. Mr. Meredith supported \Mr. Creighton. ' ir. Ross still maintained his right to be the | b udse of what i had said. * l Mr. Hardy supported Mr. Hoss in this idea. | Finally the Chairman was apponi¢ed lo. Mr. l Harcourt pointed out that it was certainly the custom u!'}'l" House, when one member Was | cricicising the remark f ano. her and the | member criticised denied that he was correclly ] auoted or represented, to necept the explana : tion of the member, whose works nad boen | auo // t > what he had said or meant. "1 | rule,"said Mr. Harcourt, "that the hon. n nuber | must unquaiiticaiy accepl the explanation ol | id .on. member whose remarks he was criti-- | cising." s | ir. Moredith seemed astoni hed at the ru' | ing, which, however, was WwAND ly cheered by | the House, and sugg0s0 d that the Judgne |.l"»l | the sSpeaker or the ieager of the Houst should | be appealed to on the p int, it was so import-- | ani. 5y tw Ara lith by Mr | I'he case was put to Mr. Meredith 0y al RBoss as to hether he would not con ider nR himself the best Judge of what l'."]mu lninsell suid on & given OCCasiOn, ANG Mr, Meredith said he would noi, 1 the reco.lections ol c"'....'! 3 wel to the contrary, & rem irk which the ¥ l'l'n-:' 'i».u u!'.: further ai ission, and Mr. Meredith still appealed 10 the Aitorney--Gene-- ral as leader of the House to pronounce on Lo subject. Me would Do content Lo accepi is | \';'14:1 then Mr. Fraser roso with a copy of i ..;."J." U's Parliamentary Praciice \ 1u HA)' | hand nd read from it vhe parag ta DH under be--wen ding _ oi " callingy in -- question | | .m" 1'; )e ;.\ 'word," which included . the l~L.-'v'l '... _* The. words which he .'"l\ll'S\ | ;:';;';I £ to have used are to be considered the \ rds a lly spokeD. \ "'l","ll' :,.'llj(l"\ >xh. p ,.nl.. though the discussion I ur * d a little longor. "';""\,.".'l\lLll\.l,'::..'«; General said,.in consequence ' of Mr. Mer dith's direct appeal llu him, that l there seemed but one way uf reading this sen:-- [ u'll"l'l"ll the discussion of the main 'su'.:_)x;ut ' was resumed and kepi up un il :\l'('l: llll'ld...;l.".. Mr. Meredith said tho Treasurer was dist courtcous gonerally in his treatment of IL::;. i\ Opposition. That was \\l'h{s he was assailed, > : personal grounds, . nu.\y;lxr\.ni ;m'\ '(knrim .Tnud for a few lnumtes'onl the annuuity question, on which he x;dmn.e(' the difference of opinion that ('xxs!f-'( among members on his own side of the House.

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