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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 1 Apr 1890, p. 2

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-W , def " VT . 1 " Ga. e 'f'roviae Pl'; 5'" . ,1, ai" rv . "Pr C) C :" '] eihttoiiu atemotvesto In!" 4. F' prise! I} '. iBMIt as being in .."ct ,de he 'dl inn" done. Phe was sorry that hon. , . "u d the ret, The tttde of Is,, L gentleman had added himself to those mem- r, . ttet: ttttrt,' did not "Rant: Z f2 _ /' bore of the Government who were in the , - .exeept '0 far y it S,,'! ":1 " (d ". habit of lecturing the Opposition. I',',"..'" power to appoint . num ' Hon. Mr. ttyt/i-eg' Nib": 3" sprite L3 / - r _ . . . imstified in saying w lat " a sai , l" . '2l,"g."h-" 'r" only discussing tho JVioW of what Mr. Meredith had said Just / . Fraser said this was not a very now. . . noble objection on Mr. Meredith's Mr. Ingram spoke P. support of the 31188 The Dominion Government appointed .Mr. .yacis was inclined to supppr totaia the" of steamboats. etc., bill it " were introduced by the Govern- there seemed 'squrt "Mott for Pro- ment upon tho lines suggested by the ineiii- ", . l inspectors in the ease of matters her for London, because it would inVolvo - " ushed by the Dominion. less "were, , - h h _ . . Phelps, who Ga taken an "my. p." , Mr. . hassme s . amendment, t at t e , posing the bill from its inception up to . Gotntnitttee now rise,' the client of which resent time, said there were 6,000 en- would have been to kill the bill under con- . in use, giving em loyinent to 18,000 sidcratlon, was then put and defeated by ;" and this. bill would) involve great loss 57"}! M.. . . t . no orl not [on than 8130,000 out of ilien, it being six o clock, the Committee 1 . , ,ckeu of the muggy"; rose and reported and the Speaker left the 1 - if F. Davis remarked that the object oil chair. 1 P. till was to provide regulations by which i After recess the House again went into 1 [night be protected. It seemed to be t l Committee on Mr. Uarson's hill respecting l i, sised principle that when II bill Involv. 1 engineers and boilers, and Mr. Meredith 1 w. '.a new departure was introduced it; moved an amendment embodying his pro- . _ d be as moderate as possible, and that i position that tho Municipal Councils rather l 'Y) the reason why this measure was 'i, than the Government should be given the :' . moderate " it was. The hon. gen- 1 power of appointing one or more inspectors -an observed that those who read to carry out the purposes of tho bill. Mr. ' the newspapers accounts of ac- Garsou, Mr. Hardy and Mr. Gibson (Huron) ents caused y defects in boilers 1 argued that such an amendment would ' id admit that something should be done [ 1 make the bill almost vaiueless,'yndttlu" it protect the lives of the citizens. Tho; 1 would prevent anything in the shape of r, 1 .. ciion need cause very little expense. _ I uniformity in the certifientes that would be Sir. Meredith thought the. bill so im- l l granted under such a system. Mr. Meredith L . tant but it should not be In the hands said he merely wanted to make the appoint. ' the private members, but should be taken ment of inspectors permissive. It should 1- by the Government " the rectory Act he so at least tn the first instance. Mr. 1 u been. He would approve of any legis- person insisted that the law would become 3 tion thatwould secure competent men to . inoperative under such an amendment. The l l the positions of engineers, but he did not . . . F prove of giving the Government the i Municipal Co.usyrils had already '11 they t .Wer of appointing those officials. They i could do Without having this matter hould be appointed by the Councils of the ' added .to their _ work. Moreover, arious municipalities. He thought it un- if the inspect: N Were "ppuinted by asouable that men should be required to the Government and tmy tthing went be examined every year, also that every "Null. people would know just where to: man should have to pay two dollars for a put the bltsme.. All" Meredith still insisted i, srtificate, to be renewed every year, to 1 that the permissive character of the aineud- I rr continue to carry on tho occupation he had meat would outweigh therae considerations. ' been hitherto engaged in. Why should all lion. Mr. Fraser "rougly oprtotl the this money be taken from the engineers? amendment. it would, even ii it were Then, again, there Wis! no provision ior accepted and We" POEECBSCd of merit, " 1 , hose annual examinations, no means by moat Ifill thu bl". inasmuch as it would I = [which they were to be held, though the bill, "tTlislt"to the recruiting of the entire bill, I 'i J. ' if it passed, was to come into effect ttext which would be almost impossible at this l l l year. As to boiler inspociion, why should ti.mt of the year. Mr. GUrsou 'luottsd tsta. ' _ not the Inspectors under the Factory Act ttttttca P "low the loss of life occasioned have the power to inspect boilers? The by will" explosions and the consequent scheme BU tgested would cost too much. He i n.ec"T."ty that sotuerthing should be done in thought )lr. Uarson would altogether fail , the direction the bill looks to. After a few in his object if the bill became law as it is. l Words from Mr. Raggide the amendment It would create so much agitation through 1 w" put and lost. tho Province, be (Mr. Meredith) felt con- .51.r, Meredith then objected to the tech. viuced that so far from any reasonable nicul cheacter of the exumittatioto which scheme of inspection being alloWed,it would the "WHO"! were required to pass and beimpoasible to enact such a measure alter to the graded certificates proposed. this had become law. lie would not oppose He moved that all the words in the bill absolutely, because he believed in the elm" " above printed after the first something being done in the direction in two lines bo struck-out, and the words "ior which the bill pointed. '1in Purposes of this Act" be substituted. The lion. Mr. liardy said that although 54": :'s'g."'d""'" was accepted by 5 vote oi _ many of its objectionable clauses had been It', . . removed, it still appeared to him that the wil/d,', next clause of the bill m" paoed bill went further in some directions than it 1,t',,',? amendment. ough: to go, or than it wt" desirable it m an," Mr. Lees, o.t. Lanark, suddenly should go. lie did not know whether the "Y an attempt to kill the bill by moving 'non. gentleman would be prepared to ac- an") that ttte Uomyytte Mi'39. instead of cept the irovisions as to the voluntary soc- "ol)2,"f,eiee consideration oi the bill. tions with powers of granting oerti catea d 't motion was put without discussion, to the engineers as totlieir standing in their 'P: teimited by 32 to 25, and the consider- profession. So far as that went he (Mr. ation oi 'tht bill "'3 resumed. _ Hardy) was prepared to lay the touuiation ler. IN at." recommended the withdraw. ', of some system such as the hon. member did) the biilfor the present. session. He w" desirous of promoting. There were ob. Gr,',' NY"!""'.'", all of its provisions, but jections to these annual inspections, and he . I tnight be Introduced ttttxt year that i i saw that there was no discrimination be.. 30"" be better ctyyidlsresd and that would 1 twoen the cost as it ailecrod a boiler of a more N" to an?" the object of the hon. ', . ' 20 liorse~power and one of 100 or 200 horse. mynlyr .in..t.ro)utiug it. Mr. Uarson i . power. There ought to be some regulating mud the bill had already been consider. provisions in that matter. Then, again, it ed_ior three yetuu, and that should be auf- , the bill were passed it ought to include ficisnt for it. Mr. Avttys' advice was not v some legislation which would prevent an tut. at "11 "game" with " pttctico in regard gineer being thrown out of employment :9 the. bill l" mm" .SuiIrage) which he should he fail to pass his first examination. umscli had Irougltt m year triter ya" in He thought that ii the bill was not so wide l the {we of mince repeatedly tendered him in its scope and so general in its operation to withdraw ir. Mr. Canines did ttrot want it would be a useful measure. to 333° the bill dropped altogether. lie Mr. Lees opposed the bill and seconded l"' tn favor of lliefm'dple of the bill tuid 1 Mr. Raeside's amendment that the Com. it could be modiiie so that any objection- mittee now rise. able features contained in it could be re. ' Ron. Mr. Gibson discussed the question y,toved.. Mr. L093 said he had been on the at some length, defending the principles oi Lommittee that had considered the bill. _ the hill and admitting that it might be 111° luu1 disapproved of tt in the first in.. modified in redpect to some of its desiils. litance, and ho dieryro.yed of it still, in He thought it would be much fairer if Mr. l aim" Off" the mo.diticytioPr made in it. Meredith, when he wanted to kill a bill, Mr. Laldwell pointed out that where the i were to come out and oppose it altogether, l greater" rite. WIMt r"". tt"strtualluiilltr,wheres instead of taking the attitude he had taken the owner himself 1mm?" qct the "mine in on this bill. He suggested, too, that if the motion and there leitit "' charge of "- boy. House we..." the hill need not been," law In the larger mills the owners would never 'ttttit the 1st of April, 1891, instead of 1st trust machinery to other than competent J snooty, 1891, and than the House could, men. The effect of the proposal would be It it saw fit, remodify the bill on the line of that " power would be o.roattd which would 1 ahlle opinion as it had been reflected dur. ' control the manufacturing industry to a ., tll the interim. . greater extent than the owners. He hoped ' , the bill would not be allowed to pass, and 1 If ,Aw~-~a-1 =rcr=

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