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' on a cross~ tition to make any tion said he would prefer a commission to i 2't'g' other than aces personal to his I I the Committee on Privileges and Elections, E opponent. If it was, as the hon. gentleman but now he turned his back upon himself. i seemed to think, a serious matter to make a Coming then to the ease of Mr. Rykert in charge against a returning officer, it was a 1874, Mr. Fraser declared that it had no "till more serious thingto make a charge bearing-on the present case. m drewa against a member of the House. Yet, distinction between '.ttakingyseurgo against according to a precedent set under the hon. an outsider and making a charge against a gentleman" own Premiership, the Home member of the House. In the latter case had referred charges made againsta member the member making the charge must prove of the House to be dealt with by the his charge or submit to censure and per- Privile es and Elections Committee. He haps to expulsion. He went on proceetfcd to quote the case from the jour- toquote the case, showing that Mr. Mc. nals of 1884, and had not gone far before l Keller had made certain charges against Mr. the name John Charles Rykort occurred, i Hykert on the platform and challenged con- for it was against that well-known politician trudiction in the House, that Mr. Rykert l that the charges then investigated Were asked for an investigation of these charges made. There was an involuntary " Hear. and that on motion of Mr. Mokellar,seeoiid. l hear " from several members, which caused ed by Mr. Fraser, other charges were added I Mr. Meredith to stop short and to remark in I and the whole sent to the committee. Mr. an impressive way that he had supposed I Fraser insisted that the charges, investiga- , they were dealing with this matter as a l i tion of which was asked for by Mr. Rykert, judicial body. Why he objected to the, were covered by the reference. Against all "Hoar, hear" asagrccting to Mr. llykert's this the present was a case not affecting name he did not explain. The Attorney. th member's seat and involving no General, proecoded Mr. Meredith, said I penalty if the accuscr failed to make there were means by which this could be tout his case. As to the contention that dealt with by tho courts. This, he do. l certain people had sworn that they had clared, was bugging the question entirely. imarked their ballots for Mr. Hudson, Mr. Under certain circumstances in the Do. iFraser said according to the law as inter- minion whensn election .trial had taken i Ipreted in the Haldimand case the commit- l place a commission might issue for the very I , tee could not ask a man how he voted, that I 'pnrpose of inquiring into the election in the ballot and not the testimony of tho' lorder that if persons had been guilty of voter was the evidence to betaken. Mr. 1 wrongdoing thy might be punished. lie 'Mcrcdith denied this, but Mr. Fraser dr.etra.dift.in.c'!ioe between this case and a insisted upon it, The two lawyers criminal trial in this, that in tho criminal had a lively assage-at-arins over the case a specific charge must be made against question. hut if". authorities wcic not a particular person. But in the case of I irregularities in elections it was enough to at hand and the case could not be quoted. i show that irregulhritics had occurred Taking up the declarations, Mr. Fraser to make it necessary to investigate showed that they were upo'n printed forms, so as to tind the guilty parties. lie do- that nineteen of them were made by pmplo mandod to know if it was not a justification who could not sign their names, and there for investigation that, though 95 ballots had was nothing to indicate that the matter had been found in one box marked for been ex slainrd to them. Mr. Hudson, 105 men had come forward Mr. )iorcdith again stated his position declaring in the most solemn way that they that if the Attorney-General would under. had voted for Mr. Hudson. Tho Attorney- take that a commission should issue to in- General brushed these declarations vestigate the charges made the mo- aside on the ground that they would not be tiou would be withdrawn. In reply received in a court of law. Quito ti no, but to a question, he said the commission must l every one of the men making such a decla- i issue upon the material before the House. ration was liable to punishment if he had I Mr. Mowat reiterated his willingness to I spoken falsely. If the Attorney-(ioneral have a commission issue upon specific would declare that he would make a rotor- charges being made and prima facie evi- l ence to one or more judges be (Mr. Mere. I dence presented. l dith) would agree to a unanimous vote, but l The motion wal, put, tseveral members ,he could not accept the roposal made. I saying, "Call in the members," showing , The Commissioner of gublic Works, I that they intended to have a recorded vote. i who would follow him, would say i The members were called in and itho case of Mr. Rylicrt was not! (the Speaker rose to read the resolution. a precedent, as Mr. Rykert had asked There were cries of "dispense," and the iioy the investigation. But, tho charge motion was put without reading. When it (which he asked tohavo investigated was came the turn of Mr. Campbell of l not the charge referred to the committec. , ' East Durham to vote, he rose and 1 In the course of tho dvbato .on tho subject ' explained that he had not heard Mr. Hodgins, an eminent authority on cloc- l the resolution and therefore could ', tion law, then a member of the House, de. not vote. The count of the vote showed clared that the proper course was upon the 51 in favor of amending the motion as statement made by a member of the House Mr. Mowat had proposed and 31 against it. to make a reference to the committee. " Shall the main motion as anioiidcd be , i adopted?" asked Mr. Speaker. "Read,"| I Mr. Fraser's Reply. said Mr. Meredith. The motion was read Mr. Fraser spoke briefly in reply. It and the voting proceeded, On this division I would be most unwise, he said, to refer this MR Campbell voted in favor of the Attor- caso to a committee as asked. He said Mr. ney-Gencral's proposition. The" were i Meredith had evidently begun with judicial thus ..-52 ycas to 31 Hays. Tho following t .cnlmness, but had forgotten toward the is the division list which, except for Mr. 1 close of his speech that he was to regard the i Campbell's vote, was the same as the first matter in that way and had shown consid- [ list C--. cruble warmth. It the mover of the rose- l r2,'.sit.'t-/),1,1gt.y,nA.t,,'itrs'll.tlt'gi,ll'gu"i') "in"? lution really wanted an investigation Itesi, Pr'fr l,' "yl1'.'.'.f, 'n t 1?'/'. I' 'tstep P. . A" (Elle: should have brought the matter "P earlier. I i.dditti'iiinriiihif'iiiifii'.'1in":cilb'ri'iiiifli'tiiiii-dun, Tho House resumed after the recess on tho i 1fr,t,',',tirttJi,1; 2aie2mird'iQ,h, {ration ("bison . . . n oi, "is: l. in r, ar- 10th ftttt,Td this notice fg'2'ttr red 1'lllt i"l'ld"itg,'e/u'lleo'1'l,,l'illtll'.'/"',uell')'; on t ° or " papor on the t . lt itleord) McKay (Victoria). Arckv.chuic, Mc. iwas first moved on the 10th April, the 'fc7G'ii,"U.1' McMahon. Mack. Mackenzie. c.. Government having in the meantime asked ,2,l1g.'r"i/yaT/hf'lgsTTsd,.ttn' J,tire"ivett only one postponement, Arr. Hudson 'lf" l 'i?ffieidfl'lJetld3', Yrtttoi'iy/l'lt': J1"dft W004i glocting two opportunities to move it. "mm" tfd. now could this question be fairly dealt Nara. 'Hurr. pet!,,, Campbpll (Minimal. with by the committee in these closing days filter,','; clyfitv.l L K. tTorontol, Dunlap. liley . ' . inning. Godwin, lininmoll. lliscott, horns. oithe session. No Witness could becxam- McCleary, McColl. Melmnnghan. Maxwood. had until next week, and all that could be Mnrtcr, Moacham. Moroditii. Metvrtito, Mis, done this session would betoexamine a drawn?""vii'uii'f§""'\'i'hii'iid'wl'$3133-slid? w witnesses on one aide. In the rovious ', l, a). ' '3 . . ' ' . if." of the debate the leader of 1"Sl','il','at? i loushb). M ood 1uatVtingtsl, " rlic--31.