The Ontario Scrapbook Hansard

Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 17 Apr 1891, p. 2

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said, " there was only one case in which a i Daisies: Corn ofhoer ever ttf a chance t I m e anyt ing of me. " e went on. alread laced himself show also that not the small section in which oAtd'tt,rthita'lrt17e i: favor of the hu1t,'ggtg2di,guept"2,ttdie' Home» of .0... otticiahs by the people. 1.n t th '1','lll . . . . . . a concise and able argument he stated again 'l _ o oers m tt,',t'if,'d"ti2,giot' or his position. Be spoke of the resolution ',Tgl1?tu'n'i'ota,",,tttt'11,rl,ti'i'f,ort'ltt laat 1trs1ieee.t more gentTtd .. were»; th h h iii - h ld not committing those who vote or it ose w o "Y t e o cars a on the principle, of electing the minor oliicers. pppomt them to have them. elected That resolution he had supported, and as drivers" sg',.':',',',, l,, Tel,',, "gimme: he believed in the principle, though he ' . . F i . ftiam, mention- ex i'eesion of confident o oi tion at, the would include some of the o . _ Legislature would not adlolilitl thethYankee e,'re,g,rtPe,'r,rnt, ,)hitLmopt,fr'i, 1:: 'tlf, system yivoe?st1. by Mr. McCall. County Councils, holding that the Legisla- oj,',hhirtet.t, 2ebt1eriith,h"t,'r'Tli tare represented the P00ple as much as the contempt for the people across the line, and Connei 3 Pi. d be . . remonstrsted with the Attorney-General Mr. Fnuser rose an 1 gen . "gap for using it, particularly in view of the out' speech by the p am statement negotiations now pending with that country. that " thought it not gomg tog He hoped that the fact that the Premier of fav to say tut. .the system propose Ontario had used such an expression, would was a most, pernicious one. Hejiisabltd not go abroad. Mr. Meredith made these the argument that the plan waain use in remarks with a serious face. He declared the United btatos by saying. that it was the also that the Attorney-General regarded this feature of their system which the clearest matter as he did all others, from a party thinkers and best citizens most regretted. point of view. He met the question, as to Ihe American. reviewt, trnd every meal?" the difference between Dominion and Pro. of.th.e expression of the best class of PW" l vincial otfieialt, by saying that the people of opinion made it . clear that. that opinion the United States where the elective wouldgetrul of thissystem were thatpossills. principle was recognised evidently The history of the system was the condemna- "w some difference in these classes tion of it. "here, he demanded, would the I of oftieers because the customs otfieisls etc. election of officers stop. If the people elect. were appointed' by the Executive, 11'; ed the county attorney why not the county wholly agreed with Mr. McCall in saying Pdge., why not "me of the other that the patronage now in tho hands of the judiyitl oihcers, tus, for instance, the police Government was a dangerous thing, and ad. magistrates and the ordinary justices of the vacated the plan of having some of tltese peace: He dwelt upon the tendency under otticers at any rate appointed by the County the elective system to suspect the ofhcers of Councils. This would bring the power piety feeling, and upon the .temeuitio? to nearer tothe people, and if a further step "We" thus elected I'? perforp.ia.sg their in the direction of the radical change pro- dim" to have regard 1n every thing .they, posed by the mover of the resolution was did to political . effect. The appointed desirable it could be made. Meantime he sheriffs and registrars regarded them: thought the House and the country, and Selves as removed f.royt. a polit.ictu rticularly that part represented by Mr. career and bound to administer their oiiices Kieth", where this question was receiving fairly "h all. From these oftieers were great attention, owed the hon. gentleman chosen tie returning otfic'ers, upon whose cordial thanks for having brought the inut- judicial "We" depended the proper 6'ort, tor forward. But even should the vote. of duct of elections. Th? disadvantage of hav. tho House be favorable, public sentiment was Ing these o.ftieers pout"?! partisans he [held not ready for the le islation to which the to be obtiys. He .ridicult.f particularly House would thusbe committed, and he the uiea of..h.aving,ei,no,r othcers, some of suggested therefore that on the conclusion whose pyit,ioepi_ehletl less'than 8100 " of this debate the motion should be with. y ':'thr,, elected, 'buould the time come to drawn. \tl'llltil; Mr.f0 Jj:,,",":,",. looked forwarld when l , , the ouse Morel us proposition, e (Hr. "Sided-dd; 3:10: {mag 'tt.2eptt,,','riot'),t.' Fraser) would feel that one of the worst ten take part in the debates, but no man steps overtaken with regard to the coun. outside of the .Cabinet is able to command try s political future had been taken. closer atrrntion or greater respect when he Other mNMratutet Atrtunat the Motion. ' doesspeak. Hedeclared Mr. T. Gibson (Huron) asked whv the ' himself in favor of the supporters of the motion did not go for the bf; principle of the resolu- whole system of the Americans. He up. Lt! we; tion and, opposing the posed the proposal, and hoped the present ' " Attor ney- G'eneral's system of appointing ofricitua would not be I .. A " C' K' strongest argument, changed. It " - 1% contended that by Mr. Wood (Hastings) thought that when ' , - _ II , Fj7'i uremia of popular eleC- the member for Elgin got older and thought iil.Biil / , 4 tion at least as good more about the matter he would change his 3 ' _ I" a class of men would be mind. He thought with the Commissioner , . put in public office as of Public Works, th.at it would be a sorry those now employed. In support of this he l day ttyy the Ar.msrietn system of appoint- instanced the Housetitself. whose member. Ing oificGls was introduced into Canada. ship, chosen by popular election, he thought 1?r. Barr spade 3' speech favoring the reso- quite equal in every respect to the body of lution. public ot'h'ciala of any class. As to the pat- .s1.1r. VVaters_ WM opposed to the prin- ronage, he thought many of the members of ciple (ff the bill, but not because he had the House would agree that it was a bur. ttol, faith that the 'ily' would make as den instead of an advantage, and _ V' goo appointments as while he would not shirk any duty ," at present are made. his position imposed upon him he I l But there was a consid- thought it an advantage in many " a if erable agitation being ways to have the responsibility shifted from . A ' carried on by the the representatives of the people tothe A 3%!" Patrons of Industry for. people, themselves. He opposed wholly ' , i " t,ttl, a o.htuge--yt imitation Mr. Meredith's idea of handing the power agllh 'fgrsi' Fi which was being carried over to tho County Councils, contc'ing itgEiift,fit) .1 ttt.b.eertutse the farmers that it would not, as alleged, bring the Ui E"itisrt'hf //' think the oilicials would power near the people. He agreed that , .r/,'s _ he more under the con- public sentiment on this subject was not - ol trol of the people, and tsufficiently advanced to call for the einbodi- because ""2, supposed their salaries meat of the principle of the motion in the excessive. lhe hon. member watr glad statute books, but such discussions as this to hear the Attorney -General say the would help greatly to educate public opiu- other day that tle, Government might be ex- ion, and at some time in thc not far distant pected to deal with the reduction of execs. future he ex ectedto see such a resolution F "V. "ltrisa. If that WON done it would as they had before them receive the unani- mous support of the Home.

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