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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 23 Apr 1891, p. 4

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es 0%/«%- ing at and, L approherd, | | munication, but the prices ought to bo gradu-- ;fln' zx'lm'v'rhoro l'fi'u;nd is nor taken | | ated. Ho attacked tho clauso requiring a de-- up under license. It has been nu;rgostod velop ment expendituro of ¢5 an acre as boin(yi that a better way would be to charge & l%her '| too _ sovere _ and -- calculated _ to _ retar rice for lands along the linc of mllwx&; Ther®e | tho investment of money in tho lands, rsa cat deal of foree in that proYoal n. We .|] Procecding, he said there wore several lnigm: sell lands within fiftecn miles of &A 'Nfl- objectionable features in the bill, but the most way at $5 and fnrthor oif at a less sum. There | | objectionablie was the imposition of royaltics. isa strong belief that desirable explorers should | | Thorefore he direcied his strongest criticism to hbe oncouraged to go into our new territory, this regulation. HMe contended that it was un-- But thers aro thore valuable pine lands, and it | | faurto Fut atax on the mineral indlustry--to is said moro tiimber is burned by ©@xPIOr@T® | | single it out forextraordinary taxation. And than by settlers. The explorer to got at the | | it was unjust that only the men who are yet to rock o{wn burns off the accumulation above it, |go inio the industry shoulid have to bear and when ho is a long way from the frontier . | the _ tax ; , they would thus be put at and on land covered with valuable timber the / a groat disadvantage in competing with loss may be very great. Therefore we do not thoso who have already bought theirlands. encourage the cexplovrer to any great extent to _ Butif a royalty was to be imposed he did not carry on his work in great centros of pine ro-- _ see why the royalty should not be put upon the serves. patenied as well as the new lands. Thore wore For the Explorer. C m«(iw-a'for tb'l;-'lem;z, ho was 'gi\'en' to under-- of the mark in say-- _ stand, that this measure was ultra vires of the m}:m:mmm, n?\;xmtdyo of so many to _ Logisiature, because it was inter{cring with become possessed of lands in the nickel trade and commerce. -- The hon, meimber said district and the accounts which have been ho was not a great constitutional lawyer--and given of the rosources of that district have ; llu}M'mcmkxTfl luug,hpd with him--but he hoped 'ealled the attention of the Government and of this would be true. Theon if there must be a tax every momber of the House to the question of he objected to the manner rruposod by the bill, our mines. _A groat deal has been said in favor Instead of putting tho royaity upon the ore at 'of the explorerard a groat deal against the tho pit's mouth why not put the chargo upon speculator. 'The cxpiorer is entitled to cvnr)l' the net proiits of a mine? Wolling of the diuili-- consideration. --It is said the price of the land ; culty which the partiecs intercsted in mincs is so high the explorer cannot purchase. I have | -- have experionced in inducing foreign capital to provided therefore an outlet for the explorer. It come into the industry, he prophesied that " should be understood that theexplorer does not | _ the imposition 0f a royally wouid. in large develop. _A groat many of thoin are Ameri-- | umu.»um_l seot _ back _ the lprom-c.«s of -- past cans \\"I,m havecome here with their packs on | years. e had hoped all along that the Gov-- their backs and who will remain as long as ernment wero not serious in the intention they can explore to advantage. But the ox-- of pressing the royalty clauses. He had beon plorer is in a sense a speculator in the same impressed during the delivery of the hon. Com-- direction as a enpitalist. In most instances, missioner's speech with the belief that ho was though he makes a discovery, he is not able to fecling the mind of hon. gentiomen, and ho buy, HMoe arranges with another person, agree-- hoped that L.hu Mouse would see that the inter-- ing to take for his interost a royalty or a share ests of the Province were opposed to the impo-- in the minc. 'This porson perhaps calls in sition of royalties,. In the countries in which the aid of a syndicate to carry on | thero were the greatest mining operations the preliminary work of opening up the mins. | | there were no royaitics imposed. 'There were | He doos not pretend to work the mine, for our none in England and, ON""j't- in the sStave of | minerals aro of such a character that thoy can-- | | West Virginia, none in the United States. lte-- | not be worked without luge capital Thesale | | Plying to a remark b{ Mr. Hardy, he declared is then offected to the capitalist whois to work | | that the mining people would not object to a tho mino. J am told that the proprictors of the l tux per aclC, Ng"fhl o qlgurgu would not be so Coppor Cliff mine purchased very little, if any, nl,Jch.un.tblg as 't. mh systein of royalties pro-- from the Crown. 'They bonded a largo | | posed. In (nm..diu the gmlufitry. he declared arera _ from which they purchased about """;' 'l:ffl"'l't';f":;';:l"l{"?':'('1!-""' w "lt'" i'l';t")'il{d nt;'t, stand Af cros icos v m _ $50 to any mc iwden. e would not agroo %{)&0'%{(.: :. '.'._M'-rfi.:":,:h(\'r"gil,"'(i ,f'T_:o' btn;:ht. that u'w legislation was in favor of the pros-- fargely, 1 believe, at second--hund. 'Therefore | -- Pector ; on . tho | contrary, | ho -- contended the speculator_ is not to bo condemned in that Lh_ut., lt.,' wias [1l..nc!xu1l.ly pr()hlbl'(,'ol.y to the sonse, because ho aids the explorer who specu-- prosptt 'm'l ;'?"l' _poor man. 'The leasing lates with his Iabor as the other speculates clause of the bill would be of no yalus to the with his capita'. The explorer does not pur-- explorer, One reason why the policy rroms':d cbase now, but I have provided n means by would not be in the interest of the Province which he' may get a 'place as good as | Was that half a million acres had been soid and a purchaser by --taking the place of 90 per cent. of this sclected land could be lorsec. I have heard wople _ speak bought for less than $2 an acre. 'Thore was in with contempt of -- lonasing \und. Those this country not one mine that had yieclded a who havo that feeling should 'huy. We havo profit. le had asked the proprictor of one of | provided a means wheroby the explorer may the richest mines in Sudbury if it was true his |lake lind by paying 81 por acre down and 25 yn-csu'u(-nt, hu_d given a profit, HMis roply had \ cents per acre for ton yoars. I met a gentle-- been that they had put two million dollars into | man from Australia who has come here to g,l'w mine and had realised from it not one cent. look at some gold mines on behalf of some The """' T'f'""_y wonld b"_ to leave to the British capit ilists. Discussing this feature of f""P"'"."-»!'3""""5'»"0". a developed and pros-- the bill, be asked if the proposal was | PCTOUS N( ustry instoad of a wilderness country. to make a noew charge at the end of Fhe Government had ignored tho views of the tho lease term. I asked him the practice mining communitics and those interested in in Australia, and he told me that in the case of | Mining, but h°{""P""'l . that thero -- would be one mino $5,000,000 was distributed in divi. | ¢hanges in the bill which would make it more donds. But when in three ycars time the "_Ufk(ll'blc- e ?*_kl'd' that the Government leaso would expire they expected the Govern-- ('i'.?i'" nt;tipn :'""'"- 1c measure at this time. _ He ment to lease it at the same price as before, £1 id not think it had been sufliciently consider-- per acre. Tho iden was that these people had od by the people and the Government had not explored and made the discovery, they had had suflicient information upon which to draft developed and worked tho mine and they had the regulations. Me felt strongiy upon this ques-- what was regarded as a vested right to have tion, "'_'l'(" it the "l"' were _ passed it would it leased to them at the same price as before, | PUC D& mining development twenty yoars. The same usage might be established here. l;lo "l'?""l'»li to the Government to withdraw Under the system wo havo proposed I have L ":,"""""""- b'"t'hf""ll;'g this, he ?Ft'.ulod to not compelied the lessee to do dm'nloPmcnt, the """'3""03 dt a Lhoul:;?lllo stand froe from work, believing that the rental would be a P";",:'Y"" e Icimbers »pootk sutlicient incentive in that direction, It ie non. ;m'm ":*'*!"'0(?} was a strong rg-c- Tns boon urged that it would be bet.| Senlation of tho areumonts myailnct the bill, ter to sell lhn lands upon four or flve "'"'(} he l" lc generously applauded when he annual ins. alments, but I !.h?!?k this the prefer-- [ had concluded. able system. There are many points one Mr, Meredith Supported the Bill. might 'discuss, but [ do not wish to delay the Mr. Meredith followed Mr. Conmec. He ' House. I was glad to seo in the press the re-- supported the goneral policy outlined by the port of an expro«ion by the member for Lon-- Commissioner of Crown Lands. leferring to don (Mr. Meredith) of a desire to obtain what the cognate subject' of the treatment ofthe might be ssen to be a reasonable revenue from timber resources of the Province, ho said that the:e mincs, so as to keep for the people the although his side of the House diitered widely ad yaniago of this splendid horitago, the gift of from the Government in their policy with re-- nature to our great Province. (Loud and pro-- gard to the timber, yet he recognised that the longed choers.) systom of collecting dues from lumbermen had The Evening Session. :)(«,u:l nY' t:r"-i;:, \'('i'hm f o ::m }'I'O\('_im-,c. f('"."'.'"" | r. Conmoe rosumed the debate after the m & consiceration 0 1e quostion of mining | roxm The hon. memberhasgiven the question policy, he laid down these propositions :--That | a groat deal of attention, and as the spokesman the Legisiaturo was called °D 1o settle a | of the opposition to the royalty features of the | POMCY at "'"'l seesion. 'That if this measure | regulations, his views wero listened to with in. | W®FO . StOPDod operations w ould be checkeod | terest. Tho proposition to charge royalties, ho until it became known w h'\'L the course of the | said, havln;fit-un hoidoutasamcansofrevenue | (G@overnment woull be, That the Province | which will stave off direct taxation, might otl:ul.xtanfn can df"'-o without interfcring with | atiract the support of many people until the :' a In 'L"";'? 'n'f"""l'?'_hf";; Llh'l, P"'OPLC,E part 1:f wholo question was understO0(. -- But the true """""' f'L? A iw'| C ; a ""'" iscovered. interesis of the country clearly were against P? ie of SX OB "";!'"' "'tfl the people of the any such tax on mining development. ite-- f'o""f',' m ore !;.';" "_'f"(;f. about "'"' "'_'11"2'7"0" viowing the bill, the first regulation to which he / Syiftep}" The miner ourht to ba tronted st to objected was that which increases the value of collect it. 'The miner ought to bo treated liber-- mining lands to $5 in cortain dGistricts,. Ho do-- ally, and the duos put upen bim ought not to clared that if hopo of prolit be taken away b;' too °'l'"'°U"- Ho suggested that if from the explorer, the prospector, there would tr'n.lenm "':';.':e"',y a w&main only 6 put { upon be no expioration aud cousoquently no de-- is would be like & bonus 1 t';""' 'l"' _Of yulll" velopment. 'The proposal was too high a price. . e like a bonus to tho iminer for the lie believed that an increuso might be put .h rin of ?lulu during which his opnmtlnn.a upon lands within reasonable limits of com-- would enicy immunity from the Government's

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