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e W" -r- N""" """"'1"l -. if'W'" ' W'.'f'_"""""m P n I . . it In]; ..r." Ft/wlio _ it . - datrrreitt on 1t,ilrtr.itt,t,ef1 ", ' ' 'rtt* _ it ' ' mm mm 'ttr9u666rtt"6irttM W" induced to should not (i,ie,',oi,i1lvi:i,'tyyiiig'iti of the re- the law. It was for this "on sources of the Province ' d of leaving come to be recently rammed amt =. them all for the benefit or our descend- would be better to make the cinema ' _ ants. There was not a State of the Union volition ot the sin-tan of responhihle lov- l that acted on the lines suggested by the emu. Turning to arnotherpoint in'Mr. . hon. gentlemen. Mr. Meredith said it! tMeredith 8 speech " Oliver said the hon., ' would be for better for us to run into debt ' gentleman had charged the members of than to use our timber resources. the Government with claiming credit for Mr. Meredith took exception to this. He the W837, in whieh the tinaneeig of the Pro- had said: "Batter run into debt than ex- Vince had been used to promote 3811' haust our timber resources." cultural! Mother 'interests, with speaking Sir Oliver thought he had heard Mr. ( as it it were their own money that had Meredith correctly. Continuing, he said been used in this way. There wee no iound- Mr. Meredith complained of the surveys l ' ation tor this charge. It would be ab- l of the counts-y. He did not say the sur. . to specie or to think of the tlnatteea veys cost too much. but that they were , the Province in this way. What the surveying too many townships. The Gov- r vemrnent did any won that the (ti-pow eminent on an. question simply proceeded "in ot tht "My ot the Province atad T l on the view that-tho survey ot a country , marina one, and that it had been ex- should be gradual. They did trot make l "rated in the "teretrttg ot the Province. them all at once. but made some every l The Government has deserved the same year. In respect to mining, Mr. Meredith . credit for this as for the good legislation complained that the Government did not 7 it had accomplished. no more. Mr. Mere- . spend money enough. He complained on ' dith had charged him With saying there the one hand because we have a great cx- . was no use in economy when we have..§p l penditure already. He wanted to confine ' large an income. d the expenditure to the interest on certain Mr. Meredith remarked that this iiUs large sums that he mentioned. And on the , not his charge. other hand he wanted to increase the ex. Sir Oliver said the object of the Govern- penditure a, great deal more. He argued meat guru! the Whole Cha',t2e','diA"a', as it the whole Province, outside the min. but: 0.... .i me A- Wm w" ftnffltet8,thli9W,,tat, tggteeest. 2'u,1,S'1fit o,ggpfit%d'fgprr'ertis,vT,,t,",t , Every detail of expenditure had been close- I body knew that one great difficulty in con- ly watched, that there "LEM be no waste' ! motion with the establishment of a. min. of public funds. They had had the dispoai- r int: industry was that of finding a market. .tlou of urge sums of money, and what That was a matter not so much for the. ithey claimed W88 that those moneys have Grvernment to deal with as for the Gov. 'been applied properly and to those objects; , eminent at Ottawa. Mr. Meredith had to which they .hould have been applied. .' then passed on to the question of holding» He maintained that there was as little biennial sessions instead of annual ses- w-aSte at the hands ot this Government as . sions. Us rlld not think Mr. Meredith had of any Government in the world. If any ever brought in a, resolution on this sub- . particular Government could be suggested Jeot, though it had been occasionally men- with similar duties to perform and tioned. Biennial sessions would be very' similar means of performing them . convenient for the Government. The Gov. _ he would like to have an oppor- ernmcn: would not suffer. whatever the tunity of studying their methods, for he country did. It would be to the advantage had never yet met with such a. Govern- , of the Government to so on spending 'ment himself. it was in speaking of the money for two years without having to ' lumber question that Mr. Meredith had meet the Legislature. But he knew of no made at? lama" on Tl',1'l'lfi reke,githtTe" case where biennial sessions were held in re to e overnmen M' l connection with a. s stem of res onsible appointment of a committee or commis- i 'mvernment such as i',',','?,'.',.,,',' enjoged. In gion---it was a committee, he thought, that I , some American States they prevailed but had been asked tor-to investigate and re. r the system of government there was en- port upon the quantity of timber Ownedl tirely dinerent from that of Ontario. by the Province. it there had been am There was even there however, a provl- V real advantage in such a course there was slon for the holding of special sessions, as much to be gained i." it for the Govern- and he thought his hon. friend would rind ment as for the Opposition. A committee the special traditions were very numerous. ' . ot the House would have been powerless to Mr. Meredith had said his (Sir Oliver's) do anything in the matter, and all that a only objection to interfering with the rule commission could have accomplished was of annual sessions was that it was ' being done now in the reports of Ctxrwn an old established rule. intipta:tyntit lands agents and ot surveyors. but at a he would not lay his hands on anything _ much less cost than by way of a commls- that was old. He had never hesitatei i sion. No particular good would have re- laying hands on unything that required ' suited from such a. course of action as improvement, no matter how cld it was. Mr. Meredith blamed them for not follow- l Mr. Mcredith had urged there was: in: As to the sales of timber, he thought too much legislation. and that our Iegis- the public was gaelstted that the sales lotion was too crude. He (the Attorney- ' were properly conducted. Mr. Meredith General) ventured to say that if Mr. Mere- . had spoken on this matter as if the Gov- duh investigated he would tind our luglslu- ernment had been acting in spite of the tion no more crude than that of any other t Legislature: instead of which every sale country, and not so crude as that of those had been approved by the Legislature, had places where biennial sessions prevailed. 'been made at the best possible time. and. In connection with the subject of prohi- had produced prices that had astonished bition Mr. Meredith had spoken of the many experts in the business. There was possible delay in obtaining a. decision us not in even one case disappointment at to the powers ot the Province. He did not the price obtained. The Government had think they need apprehend any serious no power in the matter save such as was delay. lie expected the decision would be given them. and they used that power in given long before next session. The the best interests of the Provlmyr. (Ap- Supreme Court and the Privy Council had planar.) Every gale of any importance to deal with it. and the ag Council did had borm by public auction. Purchasers not now delay its JUGS ts long. Any had been found among members of both delay would be With the Supreme Court, political parties. No favor or preference und he did not expect it there. han been shown to anyone. He wished, Mr. Meredith had referral to the ques- however. that his hon. friend would use tion ot the secret ballot once more. T he his influence to have his ideas regarding system followed In Ontario was preaisely the sale of timber adopted hy his political the system followed in England. Scotland, friends at Ottawa. He had never noticed and Ireland. it is not pretended there; Mr. Meredith nor any of his supporters that It is a steret ballot. The. Govern. advocating reforms in connection with the ment of those countries recognized the conduct of timber swim! at Ottawa. Thote importance of being able to separate was of course is regulation as to selling by frttudulettt from 8004 votes when it be-. auction, but he could not remember any :came necessary. That could not, of course, case of such a sale occurring. He hull [be done without a violation of 86' no doubt money would have been saved c'recy, but it was a. matter of virtual my to the country had the Provincial method cessi'ty that there should be such an fir- of sale prevailed. Mr. Meredith had rantremcnt. His hon. friend aaid the he". _ quoted something said by Hon. Mr, Wood had trot abroad through the country et.t.,) A as to the preservation of timber. in 1869 I the lnllot was not secret. and; I?.'? "orif' il'uU,,v.f'/,','1 was not, however. any special ' [turge',",:;',:',)',':'::;;",',';,"'"",',',':,:', IU,' aut ority on the subject. and he did not e . . , , . - know the circumstances under which the (ii, idea IGev"ei,d "PL',',',';,','""'),',',",', "dt'7i speech was made. All he could say was dull "utuo bélieve it though there that the Government had done their best "whatnot any ground tor the be- to preserve the timber. No doubt the liijj.; Mr Meredith had said the or country derived fur more rev- (if; fret-mus did not meet the ordinary enue from the timber under n "dimm- of the Government. Ttttit de- the present policy pursued_than would he 8")qu on the expenditure which they the case under any other policy. It would $5135; to meet in that way. The revenue tile fl,i,','ir,"1"'f'Jt, source of income for the an, far more than the expenditure for ' rov nee if it. continued to be conducted overnment. But far more was expended as it had been. The effect of not selling tr that The Government spent money now would be to impose taxes on an M" 1"r"'dr'ltlidu'G and other purposes not sent tenemtlon to love future i foresaw), a part of government at all. who would. in all mutability, 'i?jiE'i'iii, 'lfd by so doing they had relieved the ter able to pay them. M" y " . ' 2'dd'iU"t'iesf,' which would have had to