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. W . , . _ , ' a. -,ttra% _ " "' '., .. . ' _ i '. 'e ""'w Sawm' t' "m itti,tttpatttitpoN'l'1'l . to down if the policy or the . or . Itlt of the MR - (r Government were to be changed in the di- '. _ friend had suited. and Q" gift. ' Bi rection. of holdinl the timber ot, the Pro- . that a sale of fleet or six tn .. c, _ (r ' Vince. 11pr,!.tte,t districts in particular .e any one of these township- 7 . ' would sullen: crea- new it was a not . . [surveying it. If tttttr were to S . _ that through. ram and. Muskoka and . . funds lywu highly desirable the" F. 3 Nipissing almost no that who chose to . Lshould be made. .but while hon. gong", " go there, even at the present time. cost ttfight' were C1Bmorirttr that the Li I, ' ' be provided with work at good wages. . mohoam do more for mining Ito. , Mr. Clancy had spoken with a little more moment. they were the next; "itsitriéttyr, venom than he uin6tir displayed, almost an impediment in the we! od the "Id-W - as " he had some personal motive in his lby demanding that less ntMtuM,tm . ' remarks. 'He had expressed to the House led for surveys. In Btuu1tuld - P, 7... ' 'vp his astonishment that the timber sale of ' four years of office his Governm' "h" Bt,,,) 1872 was made'without any estimate. Bo " a pended for surveys 815.135. an Iv. . trMtliWiT, were the 13,000 or 14,000 miles sold before of 834,759. Mr. Scott in 1872 expended Fe 'ef ' m2 ', there was no estimate for them. t / 911, and the Mowat Government in 21 - There never had been any estimate made $786,147. an average of $37,436. or, "in in regard to any sales before the 3541,2138 was for township s _ the l ' Government came into oillce. save one by remainder, $144,8N, for timber, H" Sandlield Macdonald in Muskoita, and I meridian, boundary and anal T that was supposed to have been of a very mineral surveys and outlines ot t e 'it I superficial character. Up to the time the and so out of the $39,000 paid for a 21 present Government came into office there in 1393 over $10,000 was for survey o I _ _ never had been any proper estimate made. bcundary and base lines, timber surveys. (Ministerial applause.) etc. He asserted that the Government had Mr. Clancy-That is hard on Mr. Blake. ( not gone ahead too fast in this mutton Hon. Mr. Hardy-Mr. Blake was follow- Many Governments make a, complete m ing the practice of his predecessors. We , vey of all their lands, without "an. (or; are wiser now than we were then.--My long years to complete it. no ttta . hon. friend, the Attorney-General. is wiser responded with the authorities 0 .- .2,»- now in this matter than Mr 1ilaire was of the States of the Union to . then. Mr. Blake is " great mun, a great what was their practice. He tn. EN ,, legislator. a great orator ; but tor careful- in Indiana every acre had , . ' nc'ss, economy and prudence. Mr. Speak- surveyed, and the same in . " er, commend me to my hon. lrlend. the Jersey, wisconsin, Illinois. Delam ' 'Attorney-General. (Loud applause.) There. Michigan and Ohio. In Minnesota. (new tore, continued Mr. Hardy. when censure ' sung, all but about one-tenth has boon Icame from the hon. gentleman opposite be- surveyed, and In New York there is an . cause there was no estimate made in 1872, nirangement by which the survey of the, in view of the tact that there was also mm"; State is to be complatéd in ten no estimate of sales prior to that date. years, In New York, as is lit"? he unconsciously paid a very high compli- , there in a large extent of rocky all " q ment to the present Government. IAP- _ broken territory which can hardly be,' plauso.) He had drawn special attention l utilized for practical pumm. to the censure passed by Mr. Clancy on T Mr. tNnucy--Tttat shows you follow a the Government side of the House for" bad system. . the manner in which this sale of 22 years 1 Mr. "rraruv--rt shows tihnt we are follow- ago had been conducted. because it :rhow- int: the system which other enlightened ed very clearly how Wonk was the (#180 of , mummy foi'ow. What is the Dominion t those who had to put forward such a '1 muthod'.' The public accounts otlKi9 Show} . matter. Che present Govtertttnertt was not i Sun..." charm-d to pawn" Account then in power, and there was not more _ "minim"... to $'d,410,NG, while the "Wynnei than om member who was a momiwr ot dorlvwl from lands credited as annual rev- the House at that time. If the present t-nuc- is $e,rTrA7l. ' f,"rTire'"e.),"g,ts't','a'/t/it,', "lf/T,?,','.),:?. 1f,".ry,' Mr. Cluncy--These were farming "may o " cout'."" Icy W pyrsyt") surety Mr. Ilarlv-Some of them were unques- they had it in the fact that to find ground . . ll ,4". lan ls . d a me f th m', for blame against thrun they had to go tlonaiy In} I ', tg.', 'lf o - 0. e l, b: . ' . . "" . were in (',pitlych Columbia. While we have! ack for a period of ..- yours, to the days . . . rl . of their predecessors in otiice IMitustcrV 'wot "ALDO" m sow-wing townsttips we alapplause.) e . A L $/,).r; NW"? from 1V1; Teil,', 'fsglfl? our no our fu. years " o oe. re om n- _ LIMITS RESULD. inn Government. which spent so much ' The hon. merttbcr su .3 that larue are. mon- in surveys. received during their 'of timber limits hach been soil, which? .Hisitectt yours only $2,l30.000, or a mn!!?? had they been resorted to we present and a half less than cost of surveys. Yet .tlmr, would haw brought greatly increas- tw mm mm". heard the hen. member or led prices and woulu now haw.- bcctt illllng his brrtdo." tttter one word of criticism _ ltte' Provincial coffers. It is true that there upon our notion of the Dominion Govern- Ihave been reu'u'ttt sales ot limits betwcun mum. (Hour. boar.) Another feature to private individuals at very large prices, l "" rc.marked upon was that while the Do- limits that Wen,- sold by the Crown 20 or tuittion i'lovornmvnt unarggd thel 21'i ht 40 years ago, before the time ot Conte " sm-wys to capital :icmunt they pace t e oration. when the fixed charge was 30] rttr'itrts from lands to orelit of rennin. cents per square mile, or a little later. uhllo tho Ontario Government placed the when the average was $45 a square tttlie. annual expenditure for surveys. as wellu " for example, the Lumsden, formerly lic. the ri-ct'ilus from lands, J,", current 0:3 Jaren, limits sold recently for 400, l, count, Talk Of boolrkes'p ML ot' "m which were originally bought for a: (620:3 tone," of accuracy m finance, would tus per mile. The Perley & Pattce limits on hon. friends tell him who was in the right the 13onncchere, bought for 50 cents per in this matter? Who made it plain titnt Wile, sum for $750,000. The Irickson estate mom. such as his hon. friend the Giiiit1 s r . . I . ,_ - ___ - - ' 1'1ie'r,.beru/2tcegencigy; Iru"g'icsroh/ f,g ttromrer tor Toronto spoke of? m: Pony sold a portion of their limits: bought (.0.th tstake a plain .ctattsment, but t.ht.ry l l frolm :hc Government for $50 per square litigant:)m"\k1;yl':\uuli:w'ljidythngoh'sfln'l lit} l mile, or 1. . . . ' "'."' d 11ay, " "R 'COU'E 2ita:c2fg'1iv0'lld)1)te."e..ee' g,'.mtedh"/,,t'tr,; alilil'i't'into the (lint-relive lit-[worn the _ themselves has been ginning; 3163-5133.: 1rookkvetrinx ot his hon. friend the Treas- These limits were disposed of by "I"; un-r and that of the Government at ot.. Crown before Confederation and of ta.ty on this point. I course, prior to the existence 'or 'iiiii'pr"C 'lhe hon. gentleman said the ProytneN sent Government. Hon. gentlemen ou- "as on the verge of direct taxation. T pcsite would tind that the charges they I'.? men a .yh.tx2nict deticit, en s are making would recoil upon the Con- wtttte of capital, gross expenditure; t et, srrvative Government which held the y/.th.cll.l this, hon. gentlemen say we do reins of power at Ottawa when these sale not spend cnough on mining. They want [were made. '5 more (for Pi,". purpose. Where is it to l They would ardon hi . wine mm. In the same breath the hon. I'm" attentiu'i] to ml: C?,.a'oryeot '.',l"\tla",','g,t:t any 'Je, rot; fp municipalities Surveys raised . ' -. ' n; noou one-1a of the total had been 'ft'ft1Vtvhahti"nohtou,ee.yie, it; 'll/do/l",,', midi as license fees. The MK". the townships surVe ed . -. ' - A o e ion. member for Toronto was mom have ever 'l2'r1'1'hubJedthty (3:31") that we should qlve it all co the munici- or have been of any practical use Sufi:i Iy1iitles that we are taking our revenue statements were simply made at random from sources not originally contemplated. If his hon. friend had taken the trouble They dedur; 3290'" or i300,000 from out 1titlidinqui're he would not have said, as he 3:06.?" f/ll? this source, and they suywe at Chatham a year ago that out " To wrong n using the receipts from ttnt- townships which had aa' 2'st've"stli"lnzl, ber dues and bonuses as revenue; that h 76 had 'ever been settled upon. As ty, si,", 'lg,t1e,"ltlt' a gross waste of the capital "Kittie? of file:l there have been 275 town. on Jl'al"'l,'o"drt'1, tIrie',',.','-;,'":,:,',',',",?:,',.,",,':,')',.':,' 3 ps surve e . .. . . . e wou gve a out sure have been 8:! L'fr't"t,,."ff,'tt;cnt Which 76 to the hon. member-a challenge 'di,",'))', grants, while of those in whl he"; as free had been given before-and would ask the settlers and sales have been 2itutl,c'r't'dl,rt han. member to name n' single representa- arc 71 , of those in which sales have been tive countrv in existence on this continent i made for mining purposes. but no settlers or c'lseymerre Where the receipts trum tim- 42; surveyed townships in Algonquin bier taken from the forests is not applied Park, 16; a total of 206 townships utilized from year to year as revenue. It Beettted our of the m surveyed, and leaving only strange that this argument should haw: 7('t0wngh1DIO'n which no Settlement had ty be refuted again and again. Not it taken plucaor sales been made. It is not single Sign)?" ut a ditterent ttystem being at all unlikely "It even tn thotre town- DUNN: could be shown. The friends of ml the hon. member do th ' , . 'llei1dUe,'f,tr' no settlement is reported town without Chulleng: 1treaty'tig,t, (it. V _ F e er s m l F.'r'.rlh?d have lrone in. " they BO 7 and the latter would follow the "the;