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' ' "r "1",. _. , '., ri:r'ict 45': P't:""t" _ . .... f .33.-- I present session; so that he at less: any ssiiiiiitlivii'i'ii,iii't] forward a motilion on] not deserve the charge. But he was not ' til " ' 'ree I. anhrmeru1ment to t e "its; going to treat of subjects already muah, tion to tto into mspply. The House ha discussed t he was about to move, second- I. been engazed in discussing the "09°"; f,g ed by. Mr. Clancy, the following amend-l several days, and had stayed other us- mrnt y- I ' nose that it might do Bo. Of course. the " That all the words in the motion after ' I rules of Parliament allowed a motion of the word 'that' be struck out, and the tor. I this kind, but it was extremely moonwalk... lowing be substituted : 'in the opinion ot) tent. and when the plan was adopted in ',this House the present mode ot appoint- England he' believed there was always. ling and paying by fees Registrars ot personal notice given of the intention o deeds and other county officials is unsat. any member who proposed to avail him. isfactory and should be changed; and self of the privilege. But, no dye, "if; that the appointment of all the said ottt- hon. gentleman had thought it woul cisls. whose salary or remuneration is I be better, from his point of view, to bring provided in whole or mainly by the to..i forward his motion at a -f.imc when the . calities tor which they are appointed, Government W'at4 not specially prepared should not be invested in the Executive to meet him. ot course, the motion had _- of the Province, but in the people of the lno object as regards legislation or any i locality, either directly or through their change of system in the House. It was municipal bodies.' " 'not brought up that anything: practical . Mr. Wood defended the principle of this could be accomplished. Mr. W and s pur- in a speech of some length. He first ' pose. as he had said, was to make known called the attention or the House to an (,cfrvt.,ee things through the country, Withi article which had appeared in The Globe lh view to their having an effect on the! a "hurt time after the session opened. I -impending general election. Of course, it Either the article was handed in by hon. l 'was a motion of want of confidence. and gentlemen opposite, or the writcr was itr- l Has such minivan impossible for the slip. norant of the facts, tor it made statements i porters of the Govepnment to vote for it, that were not true. it had asserted that, even if it were free from the other ob- f the Opposition had kept itself In such a jections that apphusrd to the motion. The position as to be able to attack any course l (hon. srentlermut had tttInt?,"] that " 'Treat _ of the Government. It had said that the 'suving would be t"1ef.ftrl.",,tle motion were l agitation had been carried on for the pal-it I adopted. The yy_t,oI1tttfitt"Tarl said he f'w months only, and that the Government ' would Ueny this altogether. Ho insisted I mid introduced measures dealing with the) that if r~easOinlbil- salaries wot-.0 ey to , subject before the imposition had taken; the various oiilcers such salaries as the ,1! ttp. This was a ttagrant distortion of! hon. gentleman would himself. say tor l Ethe facts. He had In..." for eleven years , party reasons. admit to be fair. instead of a member of the House. and during every the 'ty/lt being a gain to the Province , C: of those years the matter had been ot $?.M,000, its the hon. mernbcr suggested. brought up in one form or another by the tliere'would bo a distinct PM to the pub- imposition. while on April IG, N", he had iic. !'ht. hon. geiltlcmnn " tlstures JTC'?, moved a resolution that the system of pay- iniircly lancli'ul. (Applause.) It"; A ood ment by fees was objectionable, and that had sum" 11e,t, l; ll?, i)yt,tT,Ti1ii'yl",',1s', bay meat by salary should be substituted. ' 1',"/,.dc/1.l/,',nt,,0"fhai',' 'l,ri'd,e,1,','i" /r'J,',fet'l"e'21','rr That was three ycars ago. and an amem - I . . C' c, L' . ' t . ment had been moved promising treatment I kirl.ul. C9t course. he had neve1 done any of the subject next year. In 1892 a bill' such thing. It would be absurd to do so. had been introduced dealing partially with i There was bound to be a disparity of in. the evil. Sir (llIVcr Mowat had been un- comes. Thcve was it great deal more work willing to grant the reform then, and now l and responsibility in connection with some he had promised a commission, which l of thct-ic oifil-cs than with others, and the would be a very useful thing to talk ot) im'omt-s must be, of course. pro-' on the platform. Mr. Wood then entcr'cd I poctionute. The hon. gentleman ad. into a detailed argument regarding the .nittcd that the oliicers gave good charges made against the tee system, srrrvice. No fault had been found with making a liberal use of figures to prove tlitm. His objection rathcr was that they the great inequality of the sums rccciv- him too able for their work. if any com- ed. and disproportion between the payment pinint Were made it would be investigated 1 of the appointee and the men doing the properly. The hon. gentleman had traid' actual work. The whole system, ho held. there was no particular responsibility in was corrupt in principle and practice andl the offices. That was not the case. He dcmorallzinx in rcaults. 1't was not possi- l tthe Attorney-General) heard the other day ble for him to say that he could credit [ ox a case occurring in which a Sheriff-he all the returns which appeared in the rc- "its not speaking of the Sheriff of Toron- port of the registry otdices which had been to~through a mistake on the part of his submitted to the House. There seemed haunt lost fully one-half of his year'a good ground for supposing that the returns salary. He had won the case in the low- were so arranged as to make the best er courts, which held that the course of the showing for the offices. His points. put 1ruiliit was legal, but the cusc had been briefly, were :-tli That the agitation for tppcalcd. and the Sheritt had lost. half his the abolition of the fee system began with year's salary in costs and in the sum he the Opposition many years ago, and had had to pay. A single error on the part ot' been put expressly before the House in u Slit-rift in regard to certificates ot execu the form of a resolution in 1891. i2) That tions, the omission of a single execution, the proposed changes, ttS then Bet forth, would involve a loss greater even than met with opposition trom the Attorney- that to which he had referred. The dan- General. Cl) That under the present system yer of such tttlstukes, was much smaller in great disparities exist in the remuneration the case of small ottices, or ottices where m. omcers. (4) That the sums received in i 'lllL- work was light. than in those oillces many cases exceeded the services renderet. I l, where the duties were heavy. in these (5) That the deputies of the omeial.s, as a. l ',lutter oillces. consequently, the respon.eitai1-:" rule, were paid a mere pittance as com- Lily "its very much greater. The hull. gen- pared with the net income of the otticial tit-mull had referred to the disparity of appointed. (ii) That it the payments now , irlirtbutusetncants. Well, all these returns of. made for the actual doing of the work; E'IiSi'lil'r'cmcnts were made under oath ac-' were the only payments, the Province; ("Filing to the statute The propriety of' would save upwards of $250,000, (7) That the I disbursements being greater in some cases 5 present system tends to the demoralizn- than in others could not be debated with-) tion ot officials. as shown in their state- out knowing What the circumstances or! merits: and (8) that there was no good Ithe cases were. No two othces could be reason or excuse. nor had there ff'nducted with exactly the some expense. been for many years. for the 1'here must be variations. One cause, tor existence or, continuance of the tustanee, was found in the fact that Borne, system, and that its abolition would l ot the holders of those omces were old oi-j be. in the public Interest. Mr. Wood then, j ';ticers. Phey had been appointed before with equal concisreness: laid down the plat-1 I the present Government came into power form of the Conservative party as fol i id-Hd were'not in political sympathy with 1ows:-(1) The total abolition. root and i lthem. Being old men they could not con- branch. of the system of giving the fees i duct the business ot their offices as cheap- to the officials; (?t a. salary giving fair! P as Y?u!ur ofdyfHlt?hspt1i men would be remuneration. together with a return of able to Jo. Consequently, the disburse- nll receipts in the case of otrtclttlt' "ir-l, i'wms in these ottices were greater than pointed by Government; (3) no further up- l n Danette. Yet he thought the House pointments to office. except to do work rc- ', wou not deprive these othcers of all the (wired at the hands ot the person Ret- profits because they could not give their line the appointment; and GI all otmtials It)???" attention to all the_business that receiving their remuneration, either in i L t come up. He had himself always whole or mainly from the county for felt compassion for these old officials. The which they are appointed to he appointed hon. gentleman led (PORN "Elites from . , tv either directly or by the the returns ot 1892. The tees or the oili- 1'u"te,,cfll,'/2r,'d With that policy they . on? wreii-ehnxot (in that year affected by the! r . , ' ' ac w c a a rice een ass were ready to so to the people. i Legislature in regard to thepsubjgctlfy ppt, l SIR OLIVER REPLIES. i hon. gentleman had, therefore, no inform- i Attorney General rose amid ap- l It'.'. a" et gained. . i T _ ' . J. u . '00 --.__ ' was; to reply as spgrgnttthe all}: Smurfs" ation. ave a good deal of inform- i read t e nmem . F The Attorne - -. . {fisch the hon. member who had Just anti have not 2'vmeTfleJ,eg,1. il2l,i,ut/,1t't; you . 3 down "tad toved.a.d"nld 1iJ,,t.el-, I very1 eigborate one, prepared very certain: ', Ever. was a. . Ct,' no ou t, during a, good man weeks i" the si,',',a"t"ind1"J.' 4edhd'f,T','fe' ', {31W not commune any, new that? 53:: lurid,.' his GGG and facts for a ' of "efirl,'i,ei" Rigging?" an opportunity ' inumber of months past, and then came to vices of this kind paid by rlt"'t , ser- ithe House and without giving notice otl ' an those