The Ontario Scrapbook Hansard

Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 20 Mar 1894, p. 3

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l . " I In)». , -'-'~. ' q _ . _ as he had ever 'eard. said Mr. Hardy. the , . _-_. "We - iriiiiii'iiii; rdf is m,miiGGi hon. members r%erred to had never sought 'tttret 't',Sii: of l,'l'lldl'r/lr1, and Coun- 'to change the ystem under which they for . , ' i the Attorney!' for th =mselves are paid ty Attorneys (at nit 000 a a . _ A '92) 3135 ooo, and other ofticfab' $98, a e Was waiting to hear the hon. mem- ' V l '01 $344,000. Not includmp her for Toronto say that he intended peti. :3: nto " where circumstanCOE were . . tioning the Ottawa Government to change V ' t f -'0 ' altogether exceptional char- its system in this respect. It would. no .' " 0 an of business i " acter where currents doubt, suit the Sherii'ts. Registrars, . t ' l mstances contri- C . centred and other C roll , Jounty Attorneys and similarly paid of. ' itogether ex- . buted to make itvoccuPV tut n l finals to receive their pay by salaries. in- ce tionai position-not including Toronto, . stead of being under the necessity. as at l th: avers. e of the Registrars of Ontario present. of collecting their fees from thee!I g t the. e. County who transact business with the The was $1,468. The average o r ii . . . m. Attorneys was 81.337. and the avenue " ion. member for North Hastings made a ' , o These avatar-ms b 1 " 63 legal ott1eertt "as $1,6M. ' ' t o d statement when he alleged that the ntinued Mr Hardy were not high. They net receipts from the eight registration co I' ' . of "outmast- P , , scarcely reached the salaries P illusions of Toronto (counting It as two), rs in villages and small towns. 'l'hey are York. 'ldtmbton. Simcoe. Middlesex (East fiothing like they are popularly supposed _ 1.nd.A1"s1..i,..",5 ridings). Huron and Oxford . to be or what they appear to be from the ' . ' , 'NU' .... I . mlemen opposite. ' Sir. the tUrures cannot he found, contin~ statement or hon. tre stow. The ' ued ti that they range from $1.000 to " i. -- te speaker; they do not exist. and hon member for North Hastings rad L, 'hrn".'rg?i2x,ttn,i,, To" N"' tilgmeig: tof the _ argued for uniformity in payment. Would has.been t1"i'ls"f.12lrti,?yf/nt1e,1'l,eel'i?, 1?idt that be right ? It was y,",'.:,','?,,",)," "aging? _ - . . ' n no - be htlmseli' revised or else the titrures ob. a uniform principle, tout in"? y. . l I, ' . . I' . ness or rofession did such a rule prevail _ tained in the ori,inai terrors have not a! 'ulrto",.Ute'y' in payment of salaries of bits-n I',",',",',',',? before him. Taking 1891, if ottHetng doing work of which the value t at was t te year meant by the hon mem- . t ' . . t fferent localities. F her for North Hastings the awn." , r tl , differed greatly in di .? . in o .1( . ' . t . , eight registry divisions mentioned by him Phere in no such thing as uniformity! t was $2 am Where thcreNre it ' l 'CI, reward In business or professional is. sible {Br lh'm to c. ' "'3 Por: One professional man may earn 80.0!" of. ' ., - l . not an average of Ks,842 ' _ . the speaker was at a loss to k If , £10,000, another $1.500 or $2,000 ' one man in . hall 9, ii - ' " ' . wr., now. ne trade or speculation is making $15,001) or t, .a t 1893 he would have found the _ r, . . . . . aver-ax" evv , . u 8.50000 another Soil) , one bank manager is . . Nk m lets---'.?.,)). lherefore in ' ' ' F , neither of tlte years mentioned-4391 nor 1311* making '10,000, $15,000 or $50,000, another . --was it possible for the hon membo "d' $800 or $1,000. In all ordinary walks of life . have found an avers V - '0 r o business intelligence and ability will as- ' 1. . Re of $5,842, as repre- ' " d suited by him. sert itself, and a man who has acquire F I The hon member for N h H r. prominence in the community will stand had "mm" Cr" u. m' t: ', of" A 1t.t.tee, higher and receive a higher remuneration who "wk." 1.,l"1?.2, UM} ' tam"? than his neighbor. Such had been the I , tthe '/:l')i'/rii1s'ii,vneJrftl.Ch') if": timid). t l": state ot affairs for all time, and it Was ftrTures. ln Jig" there was 21' n Il '.',-'le' an absurdity to maintain otherwise. Mr. Itrotutey wh' . _ Cl y Tt 0.1"" Balfour had pointed out the absurdity of ' . use income exceeded "All". That tb'ttN th t' . . the outrage of taking fees from counties . . c ounty Attorney for York. . . The Attorney for Wentworth came tterxt which do a large amount of business and with 32.390. in 1892 the County 'i'iror.ii,"ir,.'; carting them away to help pay the ex- tor York and Middle-Sex Wt".'e the-Univ oursf penses of another county. Sonic Mummi- I who receirni more than 33m). r lie-could1 tions might be Ir/yt.?. of this. Algom in I but Imagine where the hon. gt'mlemun had 3 one year registered t;64 instruments, Bruce [Obtained his tiirures, and his speech on t"i",jl 3.1%? instruments. Should Bruce help to Imattcr had thrown no light on them. But.I pay Algoma's salary to tttt Registrar , [of all the startling information on the! (ilengarry registered 78t instruments, Pale. I subjmt ti. most Wonderful was the "Howl a? 'ii"f"iu',Tl.rg,."4'iia1t"f,'.'t', 3'31} lee'? Litton made by the hon. member for North] ' ' as rigs ., ' a urton '.H0, loron- "Hastings as to the savings to be effected? :2'5'320'1)" hen worked out " would be " the adoption of the Nystetu now adv "I Tm o e an outrageous art or injustice. raisin]. 'Ho cotild not deth'l'" " it othetsise, .here was' the papers Arty, one than us a pi-ri'w-t caricature of tigures. He (1,132?" f 'tie,',','; e.1ye where " (on d but imagine what could hhv... '.llf. fl iron"; was realised in t.'llf Purim"! tho non. member to put forward) agar an 'r,'lSi',',, t e expenses were $t,N0. 'l!' ti J,".'. extras: mt and utifotindt-t array i'Jt'l"'rl',f'i Dim". let'? an onic" must he 1ld,"'"ljfii1 JI: .""i"'i'. then quoted W" 'd1'uo,U'sut 'd ',t2ii,,ceietee1,1,n'2,"t de: '. b', 's' 'et' NJ m r J " k " [ . b ee e sa ary Wood'ts speech tlw. lglrxgrui); "I: l and the fee systems, and eXcept under un- which that gentle-man bad ("w usual circumstances the fee system is cor- timaied tho savings to be vrtectrd rect. It is used In England. In the United "3,- the aboliti. n of thw fee system at States and in Canada. and comes down - 'tij1i'd.)."r,l: ,"r,,y."1t, up as follows : $1153.01! to us from antiquity. The Opposition had if., C': $1,101; 'YI,'.', Ittvrent H'W'lpls m. Ittxgls.) nut given one instance ot real enormity gm": n J00 {mm the present receipts 'ifl in the present administration of the sys- Ely" riffs and ".'ey,.rs.' Attorneys, and SENAIW' tent. If tho fees Were Coo 1iartreph..ey could tr,',?",':,':",',",',',') receipts of other (drivers pald' w cut down. and the Minister ot Educa- Jil', l H, making a grand total of $:ii.'..w), I gig: ltd. a bill in hand whereby a further 'it'l 't,"u'rf,t'r,e,2e1n1u1'ie,r,',ii' were wot-Hm, l) uction would be mad». tliear. h'ear ' w. lfuui p. pp time. .No unmier. Hut what 'd),',',',' an" b,'?.','?.'.'.?.?.'!:! It was not the Grat at?" ""ll).ltou'y"silia",t1C"", ;he§il tlgures 'I'i wtl,lleH2t'.'JsP,),',rr,td'eti'.ntrlltd, {announced tttta, I . .. .. 'Y '.s'alat"tett ft all thi- om- . . . F ' one . ee ect of these re- :11?" paid by .1999 amounted to 8364.000 in; lute,',',' was to return a large portion of . ' m only 339.000 more than Mr. 1Voot 19 ees to the Inuliicipnllty or the proposed to save by substituting salur- l I Province as the case might be. its .for his. The salaries of all ttral lit 1."? salary Bystem Were adopted. trreat s'itii'5,.i.ifr'.iT: and County Attorneys and: (tell/I'.'),' 1xptn'"ctouy, be entailed on (dermis Tarn" masters and Slil'rngnio' (,"i,e"i',l/"J.",'1eunti The oiiicials would have i " .tanl " er officers low paid by fees. 1%," I.?'. i', an the men under them ; per- I J/"iLtt,f'ed'",ectt of this; small balancpl lean: Stalin: 111'": 'J, tU',T"/t',, to take ' . Val. magnum: exploit in I ees, co cc t em, and to . fe'r'ft. the most marrrriltVumt probably 1 see that the full measure of them were trot. thas ma been 53%." since tho any. of Moses. l, a gross imposture. It was absolutely dis- (i,aughter.t Now. to examine tho tigurcs graceful that they should be seriously closely for a. moment The llit- laid before the House, and that they Ut'e.s' of the Registrars for IR98 should he heralded through the newspa- Were "no". tatther logs than pers and platforms or the country as an {on the y?" before; when they reached accurate presentment of the case. it was thihmflt 'yi',)'",,).'), " nod proposed out of iniimtely disgraceful to this House that , o a Ol "My, ko make a suvinv of such tlguren should be laid before It t11Cr.000-0aughtorr-am1 out of-the baln'hce, (Loud Ministerial applause.) It wax more nobg'13nct; Cul", J',,'"'),'? I",',": Ito proposmi 1ifi.',ri'ii1/i'1u1Q1tQ hon.hmcmber tor Norm . nonreso the43Re,qlstm b' u.'. ". l moretan diser " of the provinm (Hummer) "writ; those who shared with that I',',','.'",',",)),'),,,),') to Sheriffs. In '93 the Sheriff's in Ontario) the responsibility of bringing such "Kurtis 5:31:33? (£9100 i212" in salaries: and the IrtT; a"; House}; tRenewed applause.) t own orneys in '02--h., hal , D . trem er Were here, said the I?" 1"") le?? for 'Fl-receiver? $63.i66. I' .l,'te,'Jn"l1si'e'g,','i; he would mum" in s°m°t 'tf/la/r/eip,),"'". filth": :3un srl',':,",).','?.,'":',', the 'l'i2r',"u'u)Sl'l"tt on his action. Contin-. .-1 l _. o .'u o oer". b eritts a l r, b' I was tnterestitrg County Attorneys. out of this waldo)? how easily and quickly the hon. ilittgilEZ: hon. gentleman proposed to Save $110,0u0 for North Hastings and other members I This would leave a surplus for the so]: of the Opposition could proftoss an ariaid V i mics of these 35 ofticers of $24,000 an of virtue, as they had done ot1 the "rriiiafi average of $282 a Year for chrv Slim-ii! occasion. Why, it was only 'ic,aiiiiCii'; and Uounty Attorney. The total. incomes that Mr. Whitney had actually declared lf, Pt,tt.Yr,etll,1tlr: local Masters. Surro- 'e: 'r,',')?,'.',',,',?.." that the Attoruev-Getwrat can: 4 ourt Clerks and others paid by tees coat? 1t'i'.l.'1.""'l't the whole moral tone of the 'ir'g"e,,t1,,ttmf,'y"i',; and l'utt, ot 2i't'sos,)g, 2',,e,','/fiU' Jluyaufo1t.'"ia', t'/e'r' could not W. . e proposer to save ,000, _' ' . en emen proton"!!! leaving the sum of 38.000 to be divided , ','l'/it,', "2""? should have put up lithe. 'jra"l,','f the Ct officers who came under this '/doi"Tc'rti,t/le Sign? JI hon. member "110' . . T . - S ew years r . ' Mr. Hardy asked.the House if he was g ' 'te/C,?,','),',';:,',"" ef. dollars in 'n/i',','"?,.':),'), right in describing this as a caricature [ i-' and who 'J2neverf'2,g"e,eete,,teptye.e.t.- /',f,"ft,",g,T; //U',"'f,ted, the 1to"? was not 7 They must think 133,120???" of feos, - a new . ' hey were 'i hoods nked an are easily k I ail d humbuegea. As he had

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