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"o j ow mt S a 24 t m% / € -- A [ + Velection to take place at the close of this cd . this ($%, indemnit . , _ |session, the memhr" elected at which 1mt'm'a;w xample would be | _ would not assemble to show what they i. .sure to be followed in case of a long ses-- |. _ were made of or what their views were | gslion in Ontario. Mr. Garrow then re--| _ . for a couple of years. The whole idea was | 'marked on the fact that no County Coun-- impracticable and unworkable, and would | *|@il, no legislative body of any kind in On--||_ prove destitute ]9""" °"fl"""""]":",f"th")'*'e\;:_f »#! | tario has tried this plan, and it had never | real economy. t was thrown of f xr. @ been heard.'f until the opening of the j( Méredith on the spur of the moment as a Legislature. Zhere was no public »mmand.' j dernier ressort, because he fel't' he must j ', for it. (Applause.) & \I make some ""w{ ]ill']ill'l't\'ll't'l.r '!httl-'r(- ';'»'l!lli\" *4 Mr. Meredith said it would have been, in :" nothing to be said on behalf o 6. me 'r his opinion, most unfair that this dying | nial proposition, there were no sound argu-- | & Legi :ll;-turv should have endeavored to cut t ments for it. and he was entirely opposed | 6 dewn by one--half the indemnity of the to it (Applause.) s | ® meinbers of the new Legislature ; it would Mr. Whitney \\\I;m (thr-":\;;\' S'I:nil'l:;:'fi I'E:' have been especially inconsistent ur')'xl Mr. Gu e's pos 8 ie o whcy m ac g ((;kl]l.('w":)("('l'lnl::i'lh 'I'ur'\'ism : there is no King "nf'l- ¥" mu.s, ".l "U.\. 'U'.',".? rl.( Lv tTlfthitnrfl ' f foss s > % Lesisiature had declared a few sessio Charles now, :|tr:'l t"~"!"' -\-".; """ 'i' 5"] .lx'-"_"l'_'t ayo thatthe.present Legislative indemnity / change in parties since fit monnrchn s was insufficient. day. He could not see that the annual as-- Sit Oliver Mowat admitted there was | sembling of the l""--";':";""i ""')N ",'l: "":' something in what Mr. .\lvrwnlhh had said, zuard of liberty, and asked why ; ne Yu with whatever force such an argu i :"l-' passed in 1892 wore so "'mm:l:"" "l"j," > ]mln-tnt applied to the amendment, it ap-- were not passed the year l»-.'!f'v'v-.. Mr. & pliecd with dvuble force to 'lhe unn'r?d- Whitney then <Imr'."'l| ".h" .""'l.";ml.mt ment to the ;nu"""m'.mf ;"""l.l Imrpzj'yt'l with slowness fn legislation, and denic oth to cut down the indemnity an 0 that there would bae«louble th> amount o' ;w:-)i l'm'nni:ll sessions. work to do in the biennial session 'I'l'l' The question was about to be put when, . fact that four--fifths of the statutes quoted Sir Oliver Mowat rose and l".'lll.'ll'kl"l that in the law couris are Ontario acts Mr. at bhis request the mover u_l'lhv amend-- e Whitney regarded as a proof that the ment to the motion (Mr. O'Connor) had legislative activity of the House needed a onsented to withdraw his unwwh:u-x'lt.V'Jn' check. Nor could he see any force in Mr. 'andition, of course, that the :\mcm'.mehl' Guthrie's remarks as to the interval ', | to the amendment mu\'~:'1 by Mr '"'""i) tween the '.loz("']|\"l @and the meeting of was also withdrawn. This wn'a' (l()llf T" the Mouse, statingy that the power of dis-- & order that the vote might be taken, as th': solution would be left nn'tnx:vn--!. He (pposition had so '.x,.;.-::.sly "h'.\'u-wl. h!_- is O ibried fo Mit. Oluthric's bosition Of A the straight question of biennial sessions. distrust of American -- precedents & ""' \Mr, O'Connor, too. :u'lmit'ul th:x.t the'r:' should be willing. he said, to take ,vl-,\ int-- wias considerable force in \\'h:.tt Mr. _\h,"._ h o th wone ho aifes. nesote An o W Rhithnaw dith had said as to the propriety of a dy-- if it were an alion peovle. Mr. Whitney |ing Legislature passing upon the emoliu-- then discussed the question of New York's | m:m\' of its successors. His own views up constitution,. and held that !)lv_~ fact that | on the subject were strong and wer a constitutional conference will be held known ; he had, when the proposal for th@ shortly was an answer to \",1," Nir-- increase of the indemnity came up, object-- Guthrie had said on that point. The On-- "-'d vigorously to it. However, in deference, » tario House had no power to abolish the to the Attorney--General, recognizing that Dominion Ronate, anid therefore that sub-- it would be unfair to bind an incoming feot lw nurfily a lowiCifnate tonic for (e-- | Parliament, and wishing to have a fair,f bate. Moreover, in 187 the conference of ' «auare vote upon the subject, he \'.1','!)'11'('\\"' Provind®al Premiers had l,".lll':'l 'n'l"'l-.-v his amendament. $ _modelling, not "'l.', abvoiition, of :h': .\«.x} THE DIVISTON. q ate, and Mr. Guthria had voted in the di-- vision in the Ontario House tavormg that The amendments being '.\il}'ulr.".\'\'n. UI*',i scheme of remodeiling. Mr. Whitney then > divisiont was accordingly taken on the orig< assailed the anti--biennial opinions of Col. inal motion, which was defeated by a vot@ Shaw, whom he described as a defeated of 5i to 26, the majority for the Governg politician, and of FProf. Bryce, whom he ment being 25. f thought had come to his conclustion with-- The vote stood :-- s out suflicient knowledge of the American Yeas--Bush, Camphbell (Algoma), (1:m(",\'.l f people. Mr. Whitney then returned to he "ell, Glendinning, H.'mmif-ll llhv-'\v,lnl(. "m; i question of the importance of ntario leg-- n, Kerns, McCleary, McColl, Magwoo« € i;n:;tiun. and held that the fact that four-- irter, Meacham, Meredith, Monk, l'rw«i fifths of the litigation arises from Ontario n, Reid, Rorke, Ryerson, Smith (Fron<] acts shows that there should be less legis-- tac), Tooley, White, Whitney, Willough ' lation. W ylie--26. | Hon. Mr. Hardy pointed out that Mr. | ays--Allan, . Awrey, Itulfnul'.. Baxter,, Guthrie was being misquoted. What he i<shop. Blezard, Bronson, Caldws« l'{ (':X"MH had said was that four--fifths of the law 11 (Durham), Carpenter, Chariton, suits brought are on subjects whith esme lark (Lanark), Clelan?, Conmee, Dack, under Provincial control. Mr. Whitney | ivis, Dowling, Dryden, Evanturel, Fergu thought that this also was an argument | )n,. Field, Garrow, Gibson (Hamilton), for a curtailment of legislation. He con-- | Gibson (Huron), Gilmeur, Guthrie, H.lr--l tended that in every way the biennial ges-- court, Hardv, Harty. Kirkwood, Lockhart, sion would be a decided boon to the Pro-- Loughrin, McCallum, McKay (Oxford), Mce-- vince. Kay (Victoria), McKechnie, McNaughion, Mr. Garrow continued the debate. H« Mack, C. Mackenzie, Moore, Mowat, O'Con-- admitted the difliculty of adding any argu-- nor, Paton, Robillard, Ross, Smith (Peel), ments against b#ennial sessions to the ex-- Snider, Sprague, Stratton, Waters, Wood haustive artay that bad been prosented (Brant)--51. _ 2 by Mr. Guthrie. The hon. & m!v!x;;m who The pairs were as follows f---\'h-"'"'l"' .;m'! had just sat down was as well able as Godwin, Tait and E. F. Clarke, McMahon anybody to present the arguments on (l.vl and Miscampbell, Fraser ard Wood (Hast-- | other side, but he Lad put forward very ings), Rayside and Barr. few. What had become, he asked, of tke Mr. Campbell (Durham), Mr. McNaugh-- great Conservative party ? Its representa-- on, the Patron of Industry, and Mr. Mc tives seemed to have disappeared from th« 'lium. the P.P.A. member, all voted with Hoeuse altogether. It was strange that it e CGovernment. was from such a perty that these new-- Ir. G. B. Smith, Mr. Biggar and Mr. fangled expedients of American economy rr of Renfrew, all Government Sumlmrl- should ccme. He was not opposed to ac-- 's, were absent unpaired. Had they been cepting good points from the Americans, present the majority would, no doubt, but he was forder 'of British institutions have stood at the high figure of 28. on the whole, and would prefer that Cana-- Refore the Mouse adjourned Hon. Mr. dians should follow them. iconomy was Harcourt introduced a bill to amend the urged as the great reason for this '.~l'3'.| law of libe!. The House adjourned about Why had this great need arisen ? Was the 11 o'clock. Province on the verge of ruin or h:mk-' ruptcy, or direct taxation ? Hon. gentle-- men sometimes insisted that it was, but he thought few placed much confiGence in their prediction. The Province was as well able now as ten years ago to support annual sessicns. Mr. Whitney had said Mr. Guthrie held a brief for the Govern-- ment. In that case Mr. Whitney must holkl a brief for tha people ; but where were his credentials ? He had none. As for the assertion that four--fifths of litiga-- tion comes under Provincial statutes, he would go further and say that nineteon-- twentieths of the cases before the courts are under Provincial statutes. It is an cld--established and valuable custom that the Parliament should once a year exer-- cise a check over the country's expendi-- ture. Funthermore, there wouid be no great saving. 'The members would bear him out when he said that as a rule they worked harder in session than at home ; under a biennial session they would have ' four months' hard work instead of two, end would raturally want four months' | pay. In 1891 the Dominion Parliament held | a very long session, and the members \ul-l