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P fisheries 'in inland A 1e N ie Neao e --dqepartm Prags s 7 n -- a + k4 on given. o. officers of the | m . ie Mc ore of The Province, . S : Hructio ven to officers of the|/ { Y ~~ . THE .MINISTER. REPLI / iment to refrain from interfering ? NdY :4 :)A I oR ES. persons offering fish for sale, and 4 / Mr. Ross,. in replying to the remar 0, how, when and to whom, and has of Col. Matheson. assured him <th; '"' ' y return of --moneys realized from| . did not fear any.scrutiny that he could. e; of fish been made by any officer set on foot. If he chose to proceed to | . f the Government ? * substantiate his charge of terrorism, |. § Mr. Hardy replied that no general < the Minister said, he could bring some [ ' Instruction had been given. In corres-- of those who had been terrorized here | pondence from time to time relating to and ascertain what they had to say. |» ; this matter officers had been advised 4: Col. Matheson . had been _ unwit-- | _ that the law would practically remain j ¢ > tingly -- imposed . _ WN' His -- in-- | . 1 aAs it had been hitherto construed until| ° ; tentions -- as a . member -- of _ the |-- | the decision of the Privy Council had House and as one interested -- | been rendered. _ Some remonstrance education were good, but he had had been made with the officer at Ux--| . haps met some candidate, maybe at | bridge who was said to have made an| C honor graduate or some person for. | illegal seizure. He had no return of : whom the task of the School of Peda-- | any money received. 1 > f gogy was rather severe, and who, ha: P . ing gone before the examiners, had * SEIZURE AT UXBRIDCE, poured his troubles into the member's | . The leader of the Opposition then ears. Such, 1 been made ; moved for the correspondence between * in regard to*'i'?f-fi 8 1 and medi-- the Government and any person or per-- cal examinations, -- with _ h h sons relating to the seizure and sale ' (Mr. Ross) -- had -- 3"!! ""to --~* of a quantity of fish in the possession The _ examination the' Norm of a woman named Godfrey (or Lebar) College, he said, 'was . intende at Uxbridge by one Matthew Frankish to serve a useful purpose, / whicl 1 « during February, 1897. was to prevent High Schools coming . In explanation he said that he had into the hands of men who, perhaps . been informed that on February 15 at without experience or training, might Uxbridge, Frankish, an officer of the draw considerable salaries and not give Government. had seized the Lake Sim-- the best value for them. The objection: ;J coe fish which were being offered for now raised to the Normal College were. sale by a poor woman named Godfrey, similar to those formerly urged against . whose husband was said to be blind. the Normal-- School. The _Norma.lj He had sold the fish by auction and put * School had justified its existence, and -- the proceeds in his pocket. While he its usefulness was universally recog-- s' was selling them he was told that, nized. The system of Normal School } pending the decision of the appeal as training had grown broader in the last| to the right to control the fisheries, Mr. few years, and.the method % teaching |. | Hardy had announced that the Provin-- . had undergone:a radical ch Ar. cial officers would not interfere with Ross held that:if the argument in favor. the sale of fisbh, and Mr. Mulock had * of the Normal School training of Public | made a similar announcement on be-- School . teachers was a good one it half of the Dominion Government. A| applied with greater force to the in= week before William Martin had 650| ing of night school teachers. He forti-- | pounds of Lake Simcoe fish seized and | fied his contention. by quoting the | sold by an Ontario Government offi--| i opinions of some of the foremost edu f i cer in Lindsay. The officer at Uxbridge | cationists in the United States, Great | '| had announced that if he came to that Britain and Germany. He denied that | 4 '| town he would see him through. On it was trug: tgat',. the High School } the day that Mrs. Godfrey's fish were teachers complain 'of the . system. |. seized fish were--exposed in three dif-- | Those, he said, who were teachers could ferent shops in the town, but Frankish not complain; perhaps those who were |-- did not interfere. On February 16 Lake seekinrg to be'teachers complained. Simcoe fish were offered for sale, and Mr. Ross characterized as absurd the | | the officer made no seizure. | charge that nolitical influence was ex-- Mr. Hardy read to the House a letter erted in hehalf of some candidates, and that Game Warden Tinsley had writ-- :le}lr;t terrorism was 'exercised by him-- | ._It was as follows :-- + £ pr | ?%'o;fplfl}",':&m,f':ve h ehched me '0f nigh-- Mr. Whitnevy--held.that the great dif-- h iles p Jxbridge ficulty, the radical sore in the whole handed proceedings by you in Uxbridg i recently. I shall be glad to hear any matter, was that instead of attempt-- ify your con-- ing to impart education in its proper T explanation that may justify y 7 > | duct in seizing, confiscating and dis-- sense, that was lost sight of in an posing of fish, the property of a poor effort to turn out as many certificated ~woman, without acting in accordance people as possible and to point to them ' ' 4 t p as the results. As to terrorism, of with the statutes. In the event of your h itf1 i being able to justify your conduct which he knew little as vet, he wished o. * rerur Dbadge to to noint out a fact which had been you had better yeflun yolur badge { recalled to his memory by the discuse-- this office,as the commission cannot af-- + $ S y cus . t sion, that is that a certain letter writ-- ; ford to keep men on the staff of deputy ten on a certain day to tai . y that act as unjudiciously as + 3 a certain news-- | _ '?ard:ngear to have done." paper in this city was publlshed' | Cl Hardy hazarded Us¢ opinion, that i id thet" d mes sinone Anicrentigh , de on ong inferential the seizure might have been made | proof that it was seen by i d that the fish being offered y¥ someone in ine d 1 2o to thi | the Education Department in the in-- for sale were out of season. As to this terval. point, however, he had no information. l Mr.. Roks----NOL go. ' CERTIFICATES. Mr. Whitney continued that he was sPECIALISTS :'glad to hear Mr. Ross give the in-- Col. Matheson moved for a r'e'turnl formation so readily, and hoped all oth. | wiving the names of all High Schoo er information would be given as read-- teachers who have received spe-- | ily. He had no proof that the letter cilalists' certificates since 1885 as | had been seen, but had inferred that the result of examinations. The | such was the casge, names of such teachers who re-- | Mr. Ross stated that he would have ceived specialists' certificates on any pleasure in bringing down the return | _ other ground, stating the year in which | as requested. Col. Matheson asked him such certificate was granted, on what | to have it complete. i re grounds and the University standing of | In answer to Mr. Whitney, Mr. the recipient, and mames of all appli-- | Hardy stated that only formal busi-- cants for such certificates who have | ness would be taken up on Monday. been refused them and on what i | The debate would be resumed and grounds such refusal was based. | he hoped concluded on Tuesday. Mr. Col. Matheson said that there was ; Whitney remarked that he did not general dissatigfaction among the High | know if the debate would be conclud-- : Echool teachers of--the Province as to | ed on that day or not. @ .3 | the methods afloptéd at the School 0!'1' a 1 Pedagogy. The fact that University-- | p m es trained men "were plucked on th?} «s yer ground that their methods of teaching } ' were not such as to satisfy the exam-- | P iners was regarded by Col. Matheson | as a proof that something was wrong. The consensus of opinion was, he said, that there was no necessity for such a « school for men : who had passed f \ through a University. Examiners had « plucked candidates:, whose. University standing was superior to theirs. _ It : was a questionias to whether political influence had not sécured men certifi-- tes when their ability failed to ob-- s n them. -- Cok heson asserted \ 6 dn« 'a system of im had been ex-- | ~~ fi-" $ * ki L ® "'l' .'?&4;' -- _L ca uis wa