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h in which, after the election of tate Government." In this connection ne po «-- 91, Hon, na'.'r*'ara tBll.ke gave his rea-- ultered an indignant protest against the 1 i) .) sons for withdrawing from the party, continual hounding of Hon. J. I and that gentleman knew the Liberals Tarte, and challenged that hon. gentle-- better than he (the speaker) did. man's accusers to show one crooked Hon. Mr. Ross--You were one of us | act which he had committed since he J then. (Government applause.) | joined the Liberal party. Mr. Graham Mr. Carscallen--It has been said, and | did not see how Mr. Carscallen could said truly, that the greatest and best | do otherwise than vote for the Attor-- of men change their opinions, but fools | ney--General's resolution, because dur-- | never. (Opposition 'applause.) He then | ing the first 23 minutes of his speech he nead the letter, and after commenting ; had argued against decentralization in e bro, reiterated . his objections to the Dominion. The Senate to--day had :Mt':tl;oep?:al'd t:\e (ihlgi of ""hlghdwai ¥ more power than, Sir Charles Tupper or lsen sourht.. 4i cronelumion. he moved | Sir Wilfrid Laurier. It had power to ; | tha ght.'. in. conctusion, Bey BM +0 | block the whole will of the people as that the following words be added to | essed at the polls. Mr. Graham the amendment of Mr. Whitney, ex-- | exl'; e"d'et be put on record as favoring pressing appreciation if the action of it m venieg + Senate. 'Mr. Whit the Senate concerning the Drummond the abolition of the Sengate. s ( Railway and Yukon bills, "and that this ney had said he did not know of any House deprecates any change in the l newspaper or entity in the Province of | constitution of the Sen'ate by which the | Ontario that was in favor of abolition. | equilibrum between the several Pro-- | Gll\)'l: Whitney--I said except 'The} vinceos and the Dominion of Canads s o C-- established by trl:p":z.';'fif],';ivé,-{fl- 4(\.:1;@?'- Mr. Graham--Well, outside of The ica act, may be distu:bed." Globe there is another entity, if you | | will permit me to call myself an en-- Favors Abolition. * tity. I am in favor of the total aboli-- Mr. Graham concurred in al that tion of the Senate, because I think it had been said by previous speakers re-- is cut of harmony with the democratic garding the greatness of' the British institutions of a young country like Empire and the fact the Britain was ourg. And I need no stronger prop to A mistress of the seas. HMe did object, my arguments than the speech deliver-- however, to the corollary that' the ed by the member for East Harmilton. -- House of Lords had anything to do He pointed out that we were too much with putting the moiher country into governed, and declared that it was the that proud position. He esteemed the duty of the Government to lighten the mother land in respect of her institu-- burdens of the people. He followed the tions, and appreciated the privileges argument up logically by saying that a l which Canadians enjoyed as British cit-- way to lighten those burdens very ma-- izens. But> there was a neartér anl |\ terially would be to reduce the number de_areg' land which demanded their ad-- | of legislators. If the number of legis-- miration, their adoration, _ and, if lators is to be reduced, I would ask necessary, their life--that land was 'the hon. gentleman if it is preferable Canada. (Ministerial applause.) Mr. |to make the reduction from among \Vh:mey_ had argued that coercion had those who are responsible to nobody been vainly practised upon Premier \ or among those who are responsible to . Marchand of Quebosc to induce him to \ the people ? I believe that by the | pass a resolution in favor ol; Senate abolition of the Senate we could make | .'ef()l:nl. but <the force of this argu-- a saving of $200,000 every year. Mul-' ment was destroyed by the subsequent tiply that by the time the Senate has admission of the Opposition leader that been in existence, and then take the Mr. l\'Xar(-h:md had «-nnsrontt'd.tn intro-- Yukon and Drummond County Rail-- duce and pass such a resolution. Had ways, and see where the kalance will the Quebec Premier put such a reso-- | ( » lution through, the old cry of Fremch ibe'j,'al(:m'mlsttetlg:l ?'ggiagsi.l{ t the S domination would have been raised. € € e s ies Out of the Conservative gripsacks ate could not be abolished, Mr. Gra-- ; < would have come the old, moth--eaten ham proceeded to justify the proposi-- | arguments that Ontario was in danger tion for Senate reform. The Conserva-- ; from the encroachments of Quebec. By tive press had said of the resolution | his action, therefore, Premier Marchand | that it would deform the Senate. Thel had deprived the Opposition leader of | resolution proposed to dshorn that aug-- a cry that he would otherwise have | ust body, to deprive it of its power to | raisel. Mr Carscallen had allegod that do evil and to preserve its power to do | the members supporting the Govern-- good. The Senate did not create the ment could not give independent votes,. Provinces, but the Provinces created because they either had got favors the Senate. Would it be argued, there-- | from the Government or were in ex-- fore, for a moment that the creating pectation of favors. Mr. Graham in-- bedies had not the power to effect re-! dignantly repelled the allegation, and . forms when the Senate was out of har-- | he -- challenged the hon. . gentle-- \ mony with Canadian sentiment ? Sir | man to make a specific charge Charles Tupper was represented as say-' in regard to any member sup-- ing, "Let the matter be referred to the~ porting the Government. He people." The question had been refer-- would then be promptly granted a com-- red to the people, and they voted on' mittee of investigation, which it was it at the last--election. Sir Charles Tup-- very likely that Mr. Carscallen did not | per was not always a stickler for a re-- want. Mr. Graham ridiculed the idea ference to the electors, and Mr. Graham that the reform of the Senate was quoted from the Nova Scotia debates prompted by the defeat of burglarious the charge that the right hon. Baronet motives cherished by the Liberals, as brought the people of that Province in-- sufiggszgd it:lb;l tl\lh'. Ci:(l]rscall&n, and he t(}) Confederation without giving them a calle m ie raids on the treasur chance jwkich had been carried on under thi' to Eoo eAE TS ic ool ..