The Ontario Scrapbook Hansard

Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 21 Mar 1899, p. 4

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30 guard; only under the most extraordin-- ary cireumstances, affecting Imperial policy, for instance, could Senators be added where--a deadlock occeurred, and then the number of appointments was limited to six. Speaking of the Yukon bill, he said the essence of that con-- tract was spced. There was not time for the Government to submit the gues-- tion to the people, and neither had the Senate bowed to the will of the peo--« ple. They had simply blocked the bill, _and as a result millions of dollars were finding their way into the pockets of merchants in Seattle, San Francisco and Sacramento, and into the coffers of American transportation companies, which should have gone to the merch-- ants of Canada. It was worthy: of remark, too, that the very men who had protested against the grantink of the lands for the Yukon railway had in their day given millions--of Acres in land, millions in money and a big monopoly to the C. P. R. Mr. Graham then spoke of Sir Mackenzie Bowell. He did not desire, he said, that anything 'he might say should be construed as being disrespectful of that gentleman. But to--day hon. gentlemen opposite and Conservatives throughout the country were saying that he was the ideal man for managing the upper Chamber ; that the country was safe so long as he was at the helm. Yet these were the very men who had assisted in putting the knife into him and completing his pol-- itical assassination. If the Consorva-- tive leaders could not --themselvos trust him when he was their supposed chieftain, how could they ask that the people of Canada repose trust in him to--day ? In conclusion, he recapitulat-- ed the objections to the Senate under its present constitution, and asked if Canada's progress and prosperity was to be worked out by her own people, on jJust and proper lines, or if her destiny was to be ~obstructed. by an -- upper gh&mber actuated by partisan mo-- ves. s ¥ , The hon. member for East Hamilton had charged that the Liberal party was masquerading from one end of the coun-- try to the other in the garb of the Con-- servative party, a strange hallucination on the part of the hon. gentleman. The theory that the constitution could not be amended without the consent of the Provinces or the Senate was not a sound one, and in support of this con-- tention he quoted Bystander as &n authority. So far as he had read there could not be found the world over a second Chamber constituted, managed, filled and operated in the way char-- acteristic -- of the Canadian Senate. (Government applause.) In Germany, 'Norway and other countries, Switzer-- land particularly, the method of ap-- pointing the upper House was almost the same as the method now proposed in Canada. Mention had been made by hon. gentlemen of the HMouse of Lords, but he held that while there was contrast there was no compari-- son between that body and the Senate. If the House of Lords blocked legis-- lation a suflicient number of new mem-- bers could be appointed to remove the deadlock. Canada had no such safe-- Benefit to Americans. Mr. Powell (Ottawa) said the views which had been expressed on the Gov-- ernment side were utterly at variance with the speech of Sir Wilfrid Laurier at Montreal, wherein the Premier said the Senate was all right, but that on the occasion of a deadlock there should be a joint vote of both Houses, and the majority should prevail. Mr. Graham had argued for the abolition of the Sen-- ate. It would be better to abolish the Senate than to have a joint vote, Since Confederation the Senate had thrown out 47 public bills introduced under a Conservative Government and 18 public bills brought in under a Liberal Min-- igtry. IIe cited thgs maan ecviGence thatl | the Senate. was' n®@" @spartisan body. Mr. Lumsden @Where was a pre-l cedent for the referm.of the Senate in | the changes madeain,1$54 in the consti-- | tution of the-- Legislative -- Council, | whereby it was providdd that the mem--| bers should be elected every ten years. | 'The change deepened, the independen-eel and elevated the,, character of that| body. So much ifdependence was dis-- played that the L(figls}atlve Council re-- fusod to pass supply unless the system | of holding migratory sessions of Parlia-- | ment was stopped, The nomination of Senators to the Sgnate hbhad been most buneful, and hbhad conyverted the upper Chamber into a merg;echo of Conserva-- tive Ministries. The Senators had been tormed watch--dogsa, but they had been _dumb dogs wheneyver}pernicious Con-- servative legislation h@d been proposed. The Senators simply r+earried out the behests or their Conservative masters. | The resolution searcely went far enough \for him, but while it was not all he wanted, it was the best he could get, and therefore he would support it. He supported the motion not because he yie!lded any servile allegiance to the Government, but because it was in the | best interests of the country. Mr. Lucas maintained that the only purpose of the resolution was to bolister up the Dominion Liberals. It was a dargerous precedent for the Govern-- ment to seek to obtain a declaration from the: Legislature on a question cutside itsa jurisdiction. ? Mr. Foy contended that the question was not one for discussion in the Local House, the members would be better employed looking after matters con-- cerning the interests of their own Pro-- vince. _ When,. however, the Govern-- ment had decided to bring the matter up they should haye brought on the discussion at an earlier date. He spoke at some length against the resolution, and, in conclusion, said that it did not lie with this Province to make the first move in the direction of violating the principles of Confederation. 3 3 The division was taken shortly after 12 o'clock, the first vote being on the amendment to the amendment and re-- sulting as follows :-- M es Yeas--Allen, Barr, Beatty (Leeds), Boyd, Brower, Carnegle, Carscallen, Colquhoun, -- Dempsey, . Duff, _ Elilber, Fallis, Foy, Fox, Gallagher, HMHodgins, MHoyle, Jamieson, Jessop, Joynt, Kidd, Kribs, Little, Lucas, Marter, Matheson, Miscampbell, Morrison, McDonald, Mc-- Ottawa's Members. Closing Remarks. h§s yq an evidence that n O -- artisan body. g- c'yre. was a pre--

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