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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 3 Jun 1903, p. 2

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Hllu' "I "I! to 'MC" the 'eiitRid i school! act, it having been absorbed in the bill of the Minister of Education. ' Inspection of Farm Produce. Dr. Pyne't bill to amend the public health act was given its second reading and sent to the Legal Committee, Mr. Stratton saying that the provision for inspection oi all farmers' produce, fish, etc., was objected to, but there was no objection to the provision that the' Medical Health Officer may. enter lodg- ing-houses which are considered "h') Playfair Bill Passed. i member of the committee. 9 When the committee l Matheson moved that T, clerk in the woods and fr Ih.in.t and Col Matheson, which severed l their relations for the time being. This [arose from the Colonel's imputation ; that Sullivan"s evidence was false, i whereupon the weather-beaten mariner I brought down his tist on the table with I great anger, and refused to answer an- other question by Col. Matheson. The llatter subsided, and asked no more i1question/ but later on Sullivan said I he would have something to say to his .annoying questioner if they met out- (side. This remark was objected to by ,Mr. LSt. John, as a.threat against a; Mr. Tudhope's bill was next taken up. It confrny an agreement made by the Council oi Midland, fixing the as- sessment upon Mr. James Playfair's lproperty at $10,000 until the end of 1904. Over an hour was spent on the same subject last week. A vote was finally taken, and the committee decided in favor oi the bill by a vote of 36 to 28. Listowei'e Light Bill. Mr. McKay said there was no inten- tion on the part of the town to go into incandescent" lighting at present. The committee asked leave to sit again. The House adjourned at 6 p.m. Hon. A. Harcourt - replied that it might be possible to come to an agree- meqt ttypey the gas plant. Mr. Carscallen objected that the ef- fect would be to deprive the town of electric light for houses. Mr. McKay (North Grey) moved in committee an amendment to Mr. Brown's bill to enable the town of Lis- towel to purchase the Listowel Gas & Electric Light Company. The amend- 'ment prohibits the town from going in- l? incandescent lighting of houses. The reason for this, Mr. McKay explained, was that only the electric plant was to be purchased, and not the gas plant, and the law said that a mounicipality could not buy one-half of a company's business and enter into competition with the other half. " Cap." Sullivan was the chief wit- ness before the Public Accounts Com- mittee yesterday, and after giving evi- dence in reply to Mr. Lucas for a long time, there was an outbreak between Col. Matheson Imputed He Was Not Telling the Truth. TAYLOR ONLY A FRIEND. Was Actually No Assistance in Securing Limit. UAPT. SULLIVAN l QUITE ANGRY. The Witness Declined to Answer Further Questions" by Colonel Matheson. n moved that Trc. Taylor. the woods and forests branch cotym.ittee_optned, Col admirer of the Ontario Govenment and the Reform party, though dis- agreed with them on one or two things. When Mr. Lucas asked what these were, the Chairman interposed, I saying that was exceeding all reason- able latitude. Other Witnesses Contradicted. Mr. Lucas then led the witness through a maze of evidence given by R. A. Grant and Frank Sullivan be- fore the Commission in connection with the arrangements for the timber deal, Capt. Sullivan contradicting both witnesses on a number of points. Many iqnestions were. asked respecting the 'e,s,sb,ui,r,s,ie,Tctri" tor expenses in securing the limit, during which the witness said he had given R. A. Grant $200 for his legal services, but had received $roo of lit back. Mr. Lucas thought Taylor 'shnuld have received $4,375, instead of $4.012.5o. but Sullivan said Taylor was satisfied with the adjustment at the time. . "Taylor was no assistance to you in getting the limit ?" "None, whatever." "You might have had me as a part-1 ner ?" "No; my feelings with Taylor and] you are far different." (Laughter.) M Mr. Lucas wanted witness to admit i that $4.000 or $5,000 was to be paidl to Gamey for his endorsation of the McGregor Island application, but wit- ness said that was to be his share of the profits if the island was secured. Col. Mathcson's Blunder. Col. Matheson asked a few general qucstions, and then said: The Chairman-This witness has some rights here-- Coi. Matheson-This witness has no Ligdhts when the people have been rob- e . The Chairman-You are saying the wipytss_perjyred himself. .hlr.. .Ca.tdhiorli-Li%iiik the vilest criminal In any court in this coun.try woyltl not be fubjected to such an tttt- Rumtion as that attached to him by Mr. Matheson, Col. Matheson-t have got this wit- ness. Capt. Sullivan-l will not answer an- other question until you apologize to me. I am here before the committee "Your assertion is this: that Mr. Grant. a reputable lawyer, knew all about this transaction, this Shannon deal. ls that so ?" "He knew that you bought it for $25ti?" "Yes." "And that you sold it for $9.000?" "I think he did; he knew we bought it for $250." "And that Mr. Grant did not know) that it was used for any bribery fund ?" "No ; I swear he did not know." "Do you expect the people of the Province to believe that story-that stupid and absurd story?" (Cries of "Order.") called.' _", V .. 'i.; Mr. Davis objected to the wording, " Taylor had been suspended. but on the understanding that that fact was to be recorded the motion passed. Captain Sullivan Questioned. Mr. Lucas then continued his examin- ation of Capt. John Sullivan. He said he had been in the employ of the On- tario Government from 1890 to 1899. as a forest ranger, but ceased to be in their employ before Mr. Davis became Commissioner. He gave details of some of his money transactions. as re- vealed by his checks, and explained further the connection of Taylor with the Rutherford deal. Taylor, he declar- ed, had no connection or knowledge of that, until witness told him of it, and was not instrumental in any way in securing the limit for $350, that having been entirely an 'irrrinirdment between Sullivan and Shannon or R. A. Grapt..He said he was a warm "He did; he was the lawyer who did the business." "You undertake to say that Mr.l Grant helped you to get out of this' Province $8.750 for the benefit of your- self and Taylor, then i"' "l paid him for the work he did as} a lawyer." The Row Begins. - '22:: C F epditment, an..." _,,._,- - [ The Chairman said everybody was using too much latitude. No Bribery Fund Here. Capt. Sullivan, further examined by Mr. Latchford, testified that he was positive that not a cent of either Tay- lor's share or his own had been spent for political purposes. His reason for going to Taylor was that the latter in the spring of 1902 had some money, and he (Sullivan) had none. A num- ber of other questions which did not reveal anything further were asked. and at 12.30 the witness retired. Lumbermen Testify. Hon. Mr. Davis then said that he proposed to call a number of the best known practical lumbermen of the Province to testify as to the value of 'the cut on the limit in question. These gentlemen had visited the spot and would give expert testimony. The first of these witnesses was Mr. W. J, Shep- .par.d. of Waubaushene. He swore that, in his opinion, the cut was worth tr) to $17.50 per thousand. It was very rough material. and it must have cos about $9 to get out. From the gen eral appearance of things, he would " that he Best timber must have been taken off the limit in past years. Sunday at Hanna's. The Church of England services. which have been held at Hanlan's Point every summer for the past seven years. under the auspices of the Brotherhood of St. Andrew, will be resumed on Sun- fits tysrtvpth of June, at It a.m. Rev. W. T. Toner of Collingwood estimat- ed the value of the lumber referred to atsxé or $16.50. In reply to Mr. Davis, he said the same lumber was worth $15 last season. He explained the difference in his and Mr. Sheppard's estimate bv the fact that he was a buzer _and__Mr. Sheppard a seller. H. C. Dixon, who has kindly opened the season's work for several years past. will conduct the service. Service slants and hymn books will be provid- e . D. G. Cooper. aitbther Collinéwood dealer, confirmed the estimate of the previous Witness. and before the mum" "=Tr"ee'eir""". At this there was so.me applause by outsiders in the commxttee room, and the witness brought. his hand down flat on the table with a resounding smash. The chairmen-l think the Colonel is forgetting himself. Col. Matheson said he might have been misunderstood. at which the com- mittee laughed loudly. He then asked: "Have you any knowledge of that money going beyond .Taylor ?" 7 _ _-_ "at" t., -'AQA "in r on Sullivan said if he was out side with C01. Mathesonhe would have something to say to him. Mr. St. John rose to a point of or- der, and said that no witness had a right to make threats. He also com- mented on Funk Sullivan's action in starting_?ppiause. .. ' 4 UIUIIE' bV'"u _,, -. "I will not answer_ until he apolo- gizes," replied the witness. Mr. Laichiord said other witness- es, including Taylor himself, would speak on that, and the matter drop- ped. -- euuzn-.. -..:A " In- H... A,.'7

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