The Ontario Scrapbook Hansard

Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 22 Apr 1904, p. 2

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o F he scher w d th ~A --any } eOaP A _ ' C 24. _ violent opposition to the posal in the \Gther numbezr coPld be cballenggd at a {g time and they were obliged to retire the press of the country ?° Had not such |. House might pass into the papers as The Toronto World, The Mail | control of the y m;ie ght pass into th and Liepire and The News, papers apt 0 |hands of a mitfOrity, > | , criticize the Ontario Government, even }| 5 A | without reason, been extremely mild in | Mt. Whitaey and the Speaker ; their opggsdtion to the proposal ? It was| | yy, whitney--The statement that such noticeable, too, that the leader of the (a proccdure would throw the control of Opposition himself had not, in connec-- t < s ¢ ST-- " the House into the hands of the Opposi tion with this question, made use of such 'tion is a new argument to be used by swollen vocabulary" as he had used CN ; on/ snouarer of any British Legislature many former occasions. The whole point :/ Th pS aker----I have sgiven m ruling of tl'x"e scheme was whether the security -- 1 1,*'., e' ~r1wthc-a Few dent yI 1i ';e'_ for the Government guarantee was am-- hiive . SLLet e [;receden i 7. * ple, and he had; he thought, proved be-- M4Ge diligent search in order to be cor-- yond doubt that the tangible securities Y°C'. and if my ruling is objected to I . were more than sufficient to protect tne APPeal to the House. , f Province. So far from the speech of the Mr. Whitney--Oh, well, we propose to | member for the '"Soo" being '"injudic-- Appeasl to the House, but the time for : lous,." as stated by Mr. Whitney, he that has not come. j , was of opinion that it ranked amongst Mr. Bautty (Leeds) said that he was A , the very best delivered on the subject. contractor for the Algoma Comimercial It had been guggested that the Domin-- Coirpany, which owed him money which ion Government should have come to the he had paid from his o wu pockct If he 'assistance of the company. Well, the were pormitted to vote he would vote | Dominion Government had last year plag---- against the bil}. ' ed on the statute books a bounty of $7 After some -- further dAiscussion the ; per ton on steel rails. 'The steel rall amendment for a three monthy' "hoist" | | plant would be the most valuable wealth-- w»s an: ana lost on a atraight party di--| producing industry of the many allied in---- vijsjon of i3 vcas and 48 nays. 1 | @ustries 'of the "Soo." '"We, through _ 1y Whitnsy then moved that the voles ; | our railway, are assisting these allieda industries, and the Dominion_ Govern-- Just given by James Conmee and C. M. | ment. through its bounty, and through Bowman be disallowed, "they having a its duty on stec! rails, will give them , direct joint pecuniary interest in the said additional assistance. _ The Dominion || bill."' He proposed, he said, to follow it Government is really row acting cxacily |; up with another motion to disallow' the '\ on the line we should wish :t to in or-- | vote of Hon. Mr.Stratton, "on the groundl det to make our investment successful." 'lth}":'t he is ad'sharch?(&d;:r h} t(l)\g g}::n}; : s ias which is a creditor." "ries of "Oh, & < Mr. W'btt.ney's Estimate of Securities. The Premier Objel((!ted ';od cclmnléng tlhg' The Premfer, amid loud applause from |PAMes, for the Speaker had already ruled ; 'lhe Government benches, ggoted from :ihr%g only one could be challenged at 3!. a ropo im' ail ; L < * | Mr. \,'r;',tm;:fy-f ":D,?}?fih' i;m}m;::fi,rée u(,),t, Hon. Mr. Gibson suggested that the, granting of land subsidies to the Alsroma | House might adjourn at this stage and Central Rallway. Mr. Whitney bhad de-- | listen to--day, on the main motion, to the seribed this grant as "1,600,000 acres oft | anrguments on the point raised by Mr.| the richest pulp ard mineral ijand in | Whitney. the world, which would yielda $99,000 a The suggestion was adopted and the year in dues alobve," and 1procr.-.culefl to | House adjourned at 12.15 a.m. SH_V that ']0' hfld Wi:hin th(' :lS'l ten daVS anamurmomemmrvetmermnmnrmercwrnere been informed by a gentlemnman of the mt l aapas highest commerciat standing that a syn-- dicate could be formed_ to buy these lands. at $5 per acre. "I hope that gen-- tleman has not gone to the shades oft the majority," said the Premicr. "I hope that be is still living above grounéa, and that he will come forward, if this scheme shome fa"., with his offer of $5 per acre. Thai woulda giva us a security of $7.%00,-- (A0 in land alone for t'he guarantee of $2,000,000,"* The remark had broen mado that this propesitior was without precedent. Por-- _ haps it was. Had they no faith in their own juagment ? Who was to make precedents for them ? That House it-- self, with its single Chamber. was with-- out precedent. Confwsjteration was with-- out precedent. They could not watt for precedents ; they counld not allow these industriec to languish. _ *"The Opposition that confronts me," gsald the Premiotr, "is without precedent. T never siw suc}h an Opposition in my thirty years of public life, an Opposition that criticdizes with-- ont iritiative, that pulls down witbout ability to build up, tbhat trembies at 4 every step whicsh means progress, that | is frightened at ts ownr shadow w'n.nnz ; thero is something to be dons," (Ap-- ; | planse.) | Objections to Three Members' YVotes. -- 1 I |_ _ The leaders of both sides having wound ; | up the debate at 11.30 p.m., it was ex-- | pected that a division would at once take | place, but Mr. Whitney objected, on the | ground that it would take so long that the members would miss their street cars home. Mr. Smmith (Saugult Ste., Marie) retorteaA that 300 fnmilies in that town had been waiting for weeks for the drcision »and4 that they should be constdered in prefeor-- ence to the conventence of the Legisla-- ture. i Mtr. Whitney, rising, said, "I object, * Mr. Speaker, to the votes of the hon. member for Port Arthur, the hon. mem-- ber for North Bruce and the hon. the Pro-- $ vincial Secretary, and I ask your ruling." The Speaker--The first Lordé of the» Treasury, Right Hon. A. J. Balfour, on the floor of whe British House of Com-- mons, in 1802, stated, in refcerence to an objection of that sort, that the Govern-- ment, the Speaker and the Chairmen of Committees always leave these matters for the House to decvide. Mr. Whitney --Is that your ruting ? 'The Speaker----I give my ruling by stat-- ing bis words, The question is not for . me to decide. It can only be settled by . 'a vote of the House on a substantive motion, which cannot be taken until atter the division. Mr. Hendrie (HMamilton) stated that the firm of which he was a airector and aiso a shareholder hud entered into certain contracts with the Algoma Central, and % was now in the position of being a cred-- itor of these alli¢d companies. He wished to know from the Spoakor whether he 'had a right to vote on this questior. I1f he had be intended to vote agsainst the ill. i i au cA ® '|l'he Speaker, in replying to Mr. Whit-- : ney, said that only one name could be | ¢ cbhallienged at a time. In 1856 objection | was raised to some who were allegel to be interested 'tn 'the Grand Trunk bill, and each name was voted on separately. / ; 'The rule was that the member whose , ¢ vote was challenged must retire during :' the discussion and until after the deci-- | sion. Common sense must be used, and | Uas obvious that if twenty or anyl

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